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Post by dracarys on Jul 29, 2013 10:38:25 GMT -5
I have an Onyko TX NR808 and want to add a amp for better sound. Should I go with the UPA 700 or the Sherbourn PA 7-150. Plan on upgrade my system one piece at a time as I learn more Thought this was a good start.
Thank you for any advice.
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Post by repeetavx on Jul 29, 2013 11:08:10 GMT -5
Hi brianw57, Yea, this is probably the better section of the forum for your question. But please, check out my answer to your first post here.
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Post by dracarys on Jul 29, 2013 11:51:53 GMT -5
repeetavx, Thank you for the response
Efficiency 96dB @ 1 watt, 1 meter Room size 14X20 Home theater use Hopefully that helps. Looks like I need to do some more reading.
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Post by repeetavx on Jul 29, 2013 12:28:29 GMT -5
Sensei, Thank you for the response Hey, that's why we hang out here. If all of your speakers are 96dB @ 1 watt then your right, you don't need a lot of power. And you've got a nice sized room with acceptable ratios.The next questions is, if you live in an apartment. If so, you don't need that much power. Most of us like our home theater LOUD. And for two channel listening, we prefer to have enough dynamic range so that we feel like we're in the conductors position. Percussive events like striking a cymbal or a piano hammer striking the strings takes an amazing amount of power to reproduce the event. Most consumer grade electronics will gloss over the percussive event and concentrate on the "notes". If these things aren't important to you then, once again, you won't need that much power. My advice, based on this limited information, would be to go for the PA 7-150. All of your channels in one place with a wonderfully detailed and neutral amp. Plenty of power for your wonderfully efficient speakers. It also allows you some growing room if you want to develop your 2 channel listening set up later. Note: The PA 7-150 has a gain of 32db like most of the last generation Emotiva amps. Most all of the next generation amps will have a gain of 29db.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 29, 2013 12:44:53 GMT -5
Buy as much power as you can afford now so you won't have regrets later. Also your next set of speakers may be much more power hungry so having the extra wattage will never hurt. Remember power amplifiers last a good long time so you won't have to upgrade later if you get what you'll need later, now. The PA7-150 will suit your needs well and work well with the lower voltage pre-outs on your Onkyo receiver.
Oh yeah, Welcome to the Lounge!!!
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Post by creimes on Jul 29, 2013 12:55:37 GMT -5
The PA 7-150 actually has 29db gain, the product page is incorrect.
+1 from me as well for the PA 7-150, I have never heard the UPA-700, I have had the UPA-500 which was great but I love my PA 7-150.
Also why not just got for a full upgrade and get the PT-7030 with the free PA 7-150, it's a smoking deal for $1799, that's my recommendation, you can get the PT-7030 for another $750 is ridiculous.
Chad
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Post by repeetavx on Jul 29, 2013 13:18:07 GMT -5
Also why not just got for a full upgrade and get the PT-7030 with the free PA 7-150, it's a smoking deal for $1799, that's my recommendation, you can get the PT-7030 for another $750 is ridiculous. Chad Yup. And a gain of 29db guarantees gain compatibility with the rest of the Emotiva uber amps.
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Post by dracarys on Jul 29, 2013 16:35:33 GMT -5
The PA 7-150 actually has 29db gain, the product page is incorrect. +1 from me as well for the PA 7-150, I have never heard the UPA-700, I have had the UPA-500 which was great but I love my PA 7-150. Also why not just got for a full upgrade and get the PT-7030 with the free PA 7-150, it's a smoking deal for $1799, that's my recommendation, you can get the PT-7030 for another $750 is ridiculous. Chad Looks very tempting anybody want Onkyo TX NR808. lol Thanks to all for your replies. Looks like I have a lot to learn. Buying that looks to be a good start.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 29, 2013 16:40:22 GMT -5
The PA 7-150 actually has 29db gain, the product page is incorrect. Good to know about the gain on the PA7-150. Thanks for the info.
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Post by creimes on Jul 29, 2013 17:29:46 GMT -5
The PA 7-150 actually has 29db gain, the product page is incorrect. Good to know about the gain on the PA7-150. Thanks for the info. Yeah product page says 32db gain, but test results it's listed as 29db gain...
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Post by dracarys on Aug 2, 2013 23:02:47 GMT -5
Buy as much power as you can afford now so you won't have regrets later. Also your next set of speakers may be much more power hungry so having the extra wattage will never hurt. Remember power amplifiers last a good long time so you won't have to upgrade later if you get what you'll need later, now. The PA7-150 will suit your needs well and work well with the lower voltage pre-outs on your Onkyo receiver. Oh yeah, Welcome to the Lounge!!! Was thinking about the Pa 7-350 and my Onkyo but I see it takes a dedicated 20 amp circuit not sure with just getting into separates that would be worth it. Is the PT 7030 a big upgrade from my Onkyo or would the PA 7-150 be enough of an upgrade?
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Post by creimes on Aug 2, 2013 23:43:48 GMT -5
I have never personally compared the 2, but when I moved to separates to a UMC-1 from my Yamaha RXV-1065 receiver it was a move for the better and the PT-7030 was another positive step from the UMC-1, the PT-7030 has a very nice analog section IMO, remember it's not only the DAC in a Pre/Pro but also the way everything is designed around it, my next thing I would like to do is room treatments if the wife allows it From personal experience I have found moving to all separates a big +1, and I think you would find a large improvement with the PT-7030/PA 7-150 combo, that's just a recommendation from me from my personal experience. Chad
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 23:51:25 GMT -5
If your speakers are indeed 96 db efficient and you plan on keeping them a while, I'd recommend going with the UPA-700. It has *plenty* of juice to drive those speakers to *very* loud levels with no strain. And you'd be saving some money that could be better used elsewhere in the system. Why not give one a try using the 30 day trial period? I bet you don't return it...
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Post by garbulky on Aug 3, 2013 2:11:48 GMT -5
I('m surprised nobody has pointed this out before. But the PA 7-150 is not a competitor to the upa-700. It's a step above it. It has more output power and more output everything. It is either what the xpa-7 was supposed to be though it was never released. Or more likely, it is a UPA-7 rebadged and slightly different. The UPA-7 is very different from the upa-700. It is more robust and has multiple amp blades etc. It has more in similarity with the x-series than anything. web.archive.org/web/20100209063811/http://emotiva.com/upa7.shtmThe UPA-7 The PA-7-150 The XPA-5 vs The UPA-700
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Post by dracarys on Aug 3, 2013 8:19:43 GMT -5
What difference is there between the Onkyo TX NR808 and the PT 7030 and is it worth the extra $750? Maybe I should just for the PA 7-350 with the Onkyo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 8:49:12 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what you need for 96 db efficient speakers, an amp which you will *never* use its capability. Folks, I understand there is a mantra around here that goes something like this "You can never have too much power". And I call BS on that. It's akin to stressing over whether your Corvette has 450 hp or 700 hp. The fact of the matter is, the lower powered unit has *plenty* of juice to get the job done every single day. If you want the higher-powered unit for bragging rights, go right ahead. But you have not bought yourself any practical advantage...
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Post by creimes on Aug 3, 2013 8:53:55 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what you need for 96 db efficient speakers, an amp which you will *never* use its capability. Folks, I understand there is a mantra around here that goes something like this "You can never have too much power". And I call BS on that. It's akin to stressing over whether your Corvette has 450 hp or 700 hp. The fact of the matter is, the lower powered unit has *plenty* of juice to get the job done every single day. If you want the higher-powered unit for bragging rights, go right ahead. But you have not bought yourself any practical advantage... -RW- So who do they make 75% of these amps for as most don't have huge inefficient speakers, just asking
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Post by creimes on Aug 3, 2013 8:55:50 GMT -5
What difference is there between the Onkyo TX NR808 and the PT 7030 and is it worth the extra $750? Maybe I should just for the PA 7-350 with the Onkyo. I still say the PT-7030/Pa 7-150 combo is more of an upgrade then just a high powered amp.
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Post by mshump on Aug 3, 2013 9:00:00 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what you need for 96 db efficient speakers, an amp which you will *never* use its capability. Folks, I understand there is a mantra around here that goes something like this "You can never have too much power". And I call BS on that. It's akin to stressing over whether your Corvette has 450 hp or 700 hp. The fact of the matter is, the lower powered unit has *plenty* of juice to get the job done every single day. If you want the higher-powered unit for bragging rights, go right ahead. But you have not bought yourself any practical advantage... -RW- Totally agree ! I would recommend the PA 7-150 because it comes with a 10 yr warranty. Unless you plan on buying some inefficient speakers like magnepans in the future, this amp will drive your speakers plenty loud enough.
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 3, 2013 9:10:00 GMT -5
What difference is there between the Onkyo TX NR808 and the PT 7030 and is it worth the extra $750? Maybe I should just for the PA 7-350 with the Onkyo. I've not actually taken the time to take a closer look at the specs of the PT-7030 or TX-NR808. The most glaring difference to me would be the P-EQ in the PT-7030 as opposed to the room correction software in the TX-NR808. In my opinion a P-EQ hands down, if you take the time to use a manual program like REW from HomeTheaterShack, is superior to the pre-loaded room correction softwares that are so popular to the "Set It and Forget It" home theater crowd that don't have any interest or want to learn about taking room measurements and properly correcting their room environment. As for the PA7-350, if you end up with this beast, you won't have to worry about having enough power, as the PA7-350 is more or a less reference level power amplifier. You would easily be set for just about any speakers you may buy in the future. Just to add, the dedicated 20a circuit, several owners have stated that they didn't get this and instead bought the Furman ADP-1520 adapter cord and have not had any problems tripping their 15a circuit. I personally had two dedicated 20amp circuits run by a licensed certified electrician. I use these dedicated circuits for just my home theater equipment which isolates them from all other possible electrical interference from the other circuits in my home. Remembering correctly I bought the 12-2 Romex, circuit breakers and hospital grade outlets from HomeDepot, and paid right at $300 for everything, materials and installation.
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