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Post by thoff on Sept 4, 2013 16:48:48 GMT -5
One follow up question --- Once I get the UMC-200 and connect it to my receiver inputs, how will volume control work? Should I set the receiver to its lowest volume setting and then adjust the volume on the 200 and see if it gets loud enough, and then if not slowly work the receiver volume higher till it is at a good place where I like the volume range I have by just adjusting the 200?
I'm just not sure what the receiver does to the signal from it's 5.1 inputs before it hits the amplifier.
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Post by TUGA Audiophile on Sept 4, 2013 17:51:03 GMT -5
One follow up question --- Once I get the UMC-200 and connect it to my receiver inputs, how will volume control work? Should I set the receiver to its lowest volume setting and then adjust the volume on the 200 and see if it gets loud enough, and then if not slowly work the receiver volume higher till it is at a good place where I like the volume range I have by just adjusting the 200? I'm just not sure what the receiver does to the signal from it's 5.1 inputs before it hits the amplifier. I'll try to simplify: YAMAHA = OPPO 103, OK.? OPPO 103 = YAMAHA with the volume control in 100% and your new UMC-200 make the rest, ok.? GOOD LUCK... |
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Post by thoff on Sept 4, 2013 18:55:59 GMT -5
Got it. Thank you for the response.
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Post by meldhache on Sept 4, 2013 20:10:40 GMT -5
You bet thoff you won't regret the Umc-200. It blow off the socks of my high end Sony 3600 model I had previously and coupled with a upa-500 and upa 700 really gave the meaning to high quality home theater..
Mel
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Post by briank on Sept 4, 2013 21:41:17 GMT -5
Unfortunately, IMO you prob should have went with the amp first. By going with the UMC-200 first your prob going to be doing multiple conversions from digital to analog back to digital. Your incoming digital signals into the UMC will be converted to analog then output to the Yamaha where they will most likely be converted to digital, EQ'd again, volume adjusted again, then converted back to analog again. All of this would negate any SQ benefits from the UMC. Your best bet from here is to try to buy an amp to match up with the UMC as soon as possible.
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Post by neo20013 on Sept 5, 2013 4:55:37 GMT -5
My current receiver (Yamaha RX-V1400) has 5.1 multi channel inputs that I could run the UMC-200 to ... I'm sorry, but i dont think this is going to work  The yamaha does not have power amp inputs, so the analogue multichannel inputs still pass through the preamp section (volume control, speaker trims). As such, there would be a lot of signal conversion, and the end result would probably be worst |
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Post by TUGA Audiophile on Sept 5, 2013 8:03:56 GMT -5
My current receiver (Yamaha RX-V1400) has 5.1 multi channel inputs that I could run the UMC-200 to ... I'm sorry, but i dont think this is going to work The yamaha does not have power amp inputs, so the analogue multichannel inputs still pass through the preamp section (volume control, speaker trims). As such, there would be a lot of signal conversion, and the end result would probably be worst 1) I'm sorry, but i dont think this is going to work - Yes it will work!!! But dont is the best... With your option, you are going to upgrade the pré-processor and you will going use the amplifier section of the YAMAHA. 2) The yamaha does not have power amp inputs, so the analogue multichannel inputs still pass through the preamp section (volume control, speaker trims). As such, there would be a lot of signal conversion, and the end result would probably be worst - Not necessarily, the multi-channel input just pass the analogue signal and this just need pass through the preamp section, anything more. Forget the rest!!! You have a nice receiver and you can make a lot of stuff!!! UMC-200 = OPPO 103... YAMAHA + UMC-200 with the volume control in 100%... GOOD LUCK |
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Post by thoff on Sept 5, 2013 8:30:30 GMT -5
Regardless whether I decided to do this in the "best" order or not, the UMC-200 is arriving tomorrow and I am very excited about it. If it happens to sound worse, then that may just help my case in convincing my wife I "need" the XPA-5 sooner rather than later.  At least with the UMC-200 I'll be able to play around with the settings and PEQ stuff. I've never done any manual EQ before so I may download REW and get comfortable with it, and then when time comes and I have the amplifier I will be ready to really set things up. |
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Post by drtrey3 on Sept 5, 2013 8:42:03 GMT -5
thoff, great purchase! Congratulations! I was in the same quandary when I found a UMC-200 at Emofest for a great price and bought it. Putting even this very modest Emo amp into my system to replace my Denon AVR for the front two channels was a wonderful upgrade! The front speakers have more snap, seem quicker, and are much more dynamic than they were when powered by the avr. Also, the center channel gained some of the same attributes since the power hungry front speakers are being fed elsewhere. Win win.
Also, I heard a demo of the soon to be released 80 watt receiver. The little Emo that could sounded really good driving 7 channels, it would be a serious upgrade from the Yamaha and is not too pricey. When you upgrade it, someone on here will buy it from you.
Trey
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Post by thoff on Sept 5, 2013 8:44:49 GMT -5
Trey, you must be thinking about the UPA-200. I got the UMC-200 which is the processor, not an amplifier.
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Post by neo20013 on Sept 5, 2013 9:58:29 GMT -5
- Yes it will work!!! But dont is the best... With your option, you are going to upgrade the pré-processor and you will going use the amplifier section of the YAMAHA. Off course, it would work, but i don't know if it would be an improvement! I also don't know what kind of bass management the UMC-200 allows on the analog outputs. If its a complete bass management (crossover, trims, etc), it could work well. If not, i doubt it would be an improvement. |
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Post by thoff on Sept 6, 2013 20:52:41 GMT -5
Well, the UMC-200 came today and I got everything hooked up and working fine. I actually think it looks better in person than it does in the pictures.
I had to play with the volume on my reciever (being used as amp only) in conjunction with the 200 volume to get it just right, but it sounds pretty good. My receiver user manual says that when using multi-channel in that it turns off the surround field processing.
I'm not sure whether I'll run Emo-Q or not. Assuming the receiver is still doing some processing it may be a waste of time to do it. I am motivated to start saving for the XPA-5, that's for sure.
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Post by TUGA Audiophile on Sept 7, 2013 6:27:00 GMT -5
Well, the UMC-200 came today and I got everything hooked up and working fine. I actually think it looks better in person than it does in the pictures. I had to play with the volume on my reciever (being used as amp only) in conjunction with the 200 volume to get it just right, but it sounds pretty good. My receiver user manual says that when using multi-channel in that it turns off the surround field processing. I'm not sure whether I'll run Emo-Q or not. Assuming the receiver is still doing some processing it may be a waste of time to do it. I am motivated to start saving for the XPA-5, that's for sure. You said: My receiver user manual says that when using multi-channel in that it turns off the surround field processing. - Disabel all DSP programs and select 5.1/7.1 input, done. I'm not sure whether I'll run Emo-Q or not. - Yes, do it run Emo-Q and do your own tests! |
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Post by drtrey3 on Sept 7, 2013 9:29:58 GMT -5
DOH! Sorry, I am bad with acronyms!!!!!!!! I really did know you got the processor, I just goofed up the acronym for the amp I scored. When you DO upgrade your amp, it will rock even better!
Trey
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Post by neo20013 on Sept 7, 2013 11:30:29 GMT -5
Can you please verify if the UMC-200 can apply bass management on the analog outputs, namely :
- Speaker trims,
- Crossover frequencies on all channels
- PEQ on all channels?
Can anyone from Emotiva please explain how the bass management on the UMC-200 can be used with an AV Receiver (as power amp only).
I'm very curious about this approach, because if this is feasible, and the UMC-200 could apply bass management by its analog outputs, it could be an interesting solution for upgrades in small steps ...
If the UMC-200 cant do this, would the XMC-1 or the future UMC-500 can?
Thank you very much in advance.
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Post by thoff on Sept 7, 2013 15:44:58 GMT -5
Alright, I just ran emo-Q and for some reason it is not recognizing my center and front speakers. I hear the test tones come through just fine, and it does see my surround speakers and subwoofer.
Does anyone have any thoughts?
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Post by thoff on Sept 7, 2013 17:13:39 GMT -5
I turned up the volume on the receiver that I am running the 200 hundred to and it now recognizes my fronts. I was a little hesitant to turn the receiver volume up really high in case somehow the receiver gets inadvertantly switched over to the tuner. This would be a very uncomfortable moment for anyone in the room, and my speakers.
I do have a couple questions about the emoQ results.
First it set my front L/R speakers (Paradigm Monitor 7s) to Large. Just wondering if this makes sense or if I should switch them to small.
Second, the surround crossover is set to 65Hz. That seems really low for my ADP 370s.
My center crossover is set to 75Hz, which seems to make sense.
Any thoughts on these results is appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 17:59:15 GMT -5
Go in and manually set your speakers to small. Most auto correct sustems set them to large. And set all crossovers at the THX standard of 80hz. Then you should be good
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Post by thoff on Sept 7, 2013 21:04:29 GMT -5
Done. Even going through my receiver's amps it appears to sound much cleaner/clearer than before.
Hopefully Emotiva gets the black trim pieces for this device soon.
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Post by thoff on Sept 7, 2013 21:15:02 GMT -5
I also got my HarmonyOne all setup, and it seems to be working well.
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