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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 13:15:18 GMT -5
Which release is best out of the 2 boxed set i have? The complete studio recordings from 1993 or he 1990 4 disc set? Both state there remastered by jimmy page. And yes im a fan! Learned to play drums from listening to zep and watching mtv's head bangers ball back when and metalica when i was 15-16. Now 41 but have noy had a set to play on in the past 15 years. The 1990 Box set I (4 discs) and 1993 box set II (2 discs) is the same mastering as the 1993 complete remastered studio recordings (10 discs). They were remastered by George Marino and Jimmy Page. Box set I and II are randomly selected songs for each disc but they contain all the studio albums songs on it. The 1993 complete studio recordings remastered is the original selected songs in the correct order for each studio album.
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Post by eclypse on Mar 15, 2014 15:15:01 GMT -5
Ok thanks for the info! Soubd good anyways using my oppo 103 sent to my dc-1 using coax.
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Post by eclypse on Mar 15, 2014 15:15:14 GMT -5
Ok thanks for the info! Soubd good anyways using my oppo 103 sent to my dc-1 using coax.
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 17, 2014 9:23:29 GMT -5
More good news. I got this information from what I consider a very good reliable source.
Subject: John Davis comments & comments about vinyl test pressings
Mastering engineer John Davis appeared in the thread about the Led Zeppelin reissues on the Steve Hoffman forum this afternoon and answered a couple of questions. I also exchanged some messages with him privately as in the past.
He confirmed a few points about the project:
* He worked with Jimmy on mastering these new reissues
* The Master for iTunes versions released in Dec. 2012 are the new remasters
* No compression, noise reduction or maximizing was used
* He cut the vinyl versions as well
* We are going to be quite pleased with the bonus tracks
He also told me privately that he couldn't answer some questions without checking with Warner especially since he hopes to work on more Zeppelin material in the future. I asked him if he'd done any interviews about the technical side of things but he said he's been too busy.
I also noticed on a forum called the Vinyl Asylum that a longtime member there (Biff) claims to have heard test pressings for the new Led Zeppelin vinyl and says they sound very good. He also mentioned that he was told by whatever contact he has that the vinyl was cut from the analog master tapes, so for those audiophiles who care about such things, that is good news indeed!
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 17, 2014 9:24:52 GMT -5
Also, the price for everything has come down quite a bit already. Last week it was $746.77 and now it's $640.45. Good for me.
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 17, 2014 21:31:57 GMT -5
More good news. I got this information from what I consider a very good reliable source.Subject: John Davis comments & comments about vinyl test pressings
Mastering engineer John Davis appeared in the thread about the Led Zeppelin reissues on the Steve Hoffman forum this afternoon and answered a couple of questions. I also exchanged some messages with him privately as in the past.
He confirmed a few points about the project:
* He worked with Jimmy on mastering these new reissues
* The Master for iTunes versions released in Dec. 2012 are the new remasters
* No compression, noise reduction or maximizing was used
* He cut the vinyl versions as well
* We are going to be quite pleased with the bonus tracks
He also told me privately that he couldn't answer some questions without checking with Warner especially since he hopes to work on more Zeppelin material in the future. I asked him if he'd done any interviews about the technical side of things but he said he's been too busy.
I also noticed on a forum called the Vinyl Asylum that a longtime member there (Biff) claims to have heard test pressings for the new Led Zeppelin vinyl and says they sound very good. He also mentioned that he was told by whatever contact he has that the vinyl was cut from the analog master tapes, so for those audiophiles who care about such things, that is good news indeed! Thanks for the tip, that is one hell of a thread. Cheers Gary
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 18, 2014 14:20:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip, that is one hell of a thread. Cheers Gary That's why I don't hit the Hoffman forum much. The threads just move too fast. Lots of knowledge over there but usually more than I can understand anyway. That Zep thread is like 90 pages long or more when you combine the 2. There are like 30+ pages just since last Thursday. I'm still asking about your Sydney show. Let you know.
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 19, 2014 11:31:40 GMT -5
Regarding the live Paris show included with the Zep I set.....
tmtomh on RO.com managed to get some information about the Olympia show. What he posted is below. Here's what he posted:
1. STEREO-MONO: The concert is presented in mono. It's the same mixdown we know from the boots, though the weird shifts in the mix have been worked on and improved to some extent.
2. SOURCE: I haven't gotten confirmation on this, but I think all indications point to this being either the pre-FM source, or else one generation better than the pre-FM source. Given that Moby Dick is missing from both the FM and pre-FM bootlegs, it seems Jimmy Page got his tape directly from the radio network (or from a former employee, perhaps). So... I'm guessing that back in 1969 the radio network prepared the tape for broadcast and cut out Moby Dick, because a 20-minute drum solo isn't exactly Grade A radio material. At that time, the edited tape would've been an analogue dub, obviously. In 2007 when they rebroadcast it, they almost certainly used the same tape (or perhaps one more gen, a copy). So I deduce that Jimmy's tape is the original. The only other possibility is that in '69 they used the original tape, and just fast-forwarded past Moby Dick during a commercial break or station announcement. In that case, Jimmy's tape might be the same gen as the pre-FM source.
3. EDITING OF SONGS: Good Times Bad Times/Communication Breakdown; I Can't Quit You Baby; Dazed & Confused; You Shook Me: Based on run times, these all appear to be intact. Moby Dick - It comes in at just under 10 minutes. It's therefore 99% certain that it's been edited down from what probably was a 15-20 minute original performance. Heartbreaker - This seems to be missing about 30 seconds. My guess is that Jimmy hates that weird echo thing near the beginning of the guitar solo as much as everyone else, and so he probably just cut it out, and he had to take a 30-second chunk out in order to make the edit work. White Summer/Black Mountain Side - Runs about a minute shorter. It's a good performance, but IMHO no real loss there. And the biggie: How Many More Times runs about 22:30 in the original (not counting Plantations and applause and such). The official version is less than 11 minutes. He cut the crap out of it. On the bright side: If anyone wants to restore part or all of the cut portions, to make a fan merge with the official release as the main source and a bootleg as the filler source, it should be relatively easy, because the official release won't sound radically different from the bootleg sources."
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 19, 2014 16:59:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip, that is one hell of a thread. Cheers Gary P.M. Sent about the Sydney show.
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Post by regulator on Mar 19, 2014 17:08:20 GMT -5
What is Moby Bleep?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 17:30:07 GMT -5
The song is Moby D.i.c.k. but the board word sensors remove it and show the bleep in it's place.
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 19, 2014 17:40:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip, that is one hell of a thread. P.M. Sent about the Sydney show. Got it, response sent, thanks heaps, I gave up looking years ago for a decent copy. Cheers Gary
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 24, 2014 13:17:03 GMT -5
The song is Moby D.i.c.k. but the board word sensors remove it and show the bleep in it's place. John Bonham......Moby D.I.C.K. D.I.C.K. D.I.C.K. D.I.C.K. D.I.C.K. D.I.C.K. D.I.C.K.
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Post by milsap195 on Mar 24, 2014 18:23:43 GMT -5
That sucks that you have to pay a chunk for the whole package to get a hi Rez digital down load. I will hold out and hope they will put out a blu ray or some other physical hi Rez media. It's the trend now, they gouge you and sell the big box set that nobody wants but you have to buy to get one thing.
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Post by novisnick on Mar 24, 2014 18:36:01 GMT -5
That sucks that you have to pay a chunk for the whole package to get a hi Rez digital down load. I will hold out and hope they will put out a blu ray or some other physical hi Rez media. It's the trend now, they gouge you and sell the big box set that nobody wants but you have to buy to get one thing. Thank goodness they had enough common ( Not that Common ? ) cense to release the vinyl by its self,,,,, Thats what I'm ordering does It really get better then that? Nick
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 25, 2014 8:20:23 GMT -5
That sucks that you have to pay a chunk for the whole package to get a hi Rez digital down load. I will hold out and hope they will put out a blu ray or some other physical hi Rez media. It's the trend now, they gouge you and sell the big box set that nobody wants but you have to buy to get one thing. Yeah but I'm betting it will be on HD-Tracks soon enough. They did the same thing with Celebration Day, and that HAS a Blu-ray Audio only disc. Soon after I got everything I got an em-mail from HD-Tracks that they had it too. So I bought it from them too so I could make an LPCM DVD-A. My universal Denon player sounds better playing the DVD than my Panny blu-ray player sounds with the blu-ray. In other words, not only do I think your wait will not be in vein, I don't think it will be long.
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Post by Nodscene on Mar 25, 2014 9:31:27 GMT -5
Am I the only one concerned about this...
* The Master for iTunes versions released in Dec. 2012 are the new remasters
Usually iTunes master are done specifically to battle their compression, meaning changes to the way the music is mixed and mastered which is different from trying to do so for the best possible sound. Sorry but this doesn't sound like the best possible master that can be done. I understand the need for mastering specifically for iTunes if that remaster is just specifically for that but not to be used as the one and final master for all formats. Hopefully I'm missing something or not understanding correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 9:51:14 GMT -5
Which is why I'm waiting for the reviews to be posted on it's sound quality before I even think about purchasing these yet again. Am I the only one concerned about this... * The Master for iTunes versions released in Dec. 2012 are the new remasters Usually iTunes master are done specifically to battle their compression, meaning changes to the way the music is mixed and mastered which is different from trying to do so for the best possible sound. Sorry but this doesn't sound like the best possible master that can be done. I understand the need for mastering specifically for iTunes if that remaster is just specifically for that but not to be used as the one and final master for all formats. Hopefully I'm missing something or not understanding correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 10:09:19 GMT -5
Well considering all my zep music right now is lossy cd rips (didn't know better when putting then on the computer and since got rid of the disc) I will be blind buying the lp's
I'll let ya know how they sound
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Post by novisnick on Mar 25, 2014 10:16:59 GMT -5
Well considering all my zep music right now is lossy cd rips (didn't know better when putting then on the computer and since got rid of the disc) I will be blind buying the lp's I'll let ya know how they sound Yep, Me too! Already made my purchase,,,,,,,,,Delivery is soooooo far away! hope Jimmy did a great job!
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