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Post by repeetavx on Nov 9, 2013 13:57:38 GMT -5
My caveat is this. The XPA-100s have a gain of 32db. Soon all Emotiva amps will have a gain of 29db (a change in corporate philosophy). So plan ahead and pay attention to gains. Gen 2 amps have been "improved", and nobody here has complained about the changes.
We, here in the Lounge, know that once you add external Emotiva amps to your system that the change will be jaw dropping. Especially since you said that turning your system up causes you to not be able to make heads or tails of a sound track. With Emotiva amps you'll find the soundtrack catches your wife's or neighbors attention before they will sound anywhere near that bad.
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Post by wolffcub on Nov 9, 2013 14:11:21 GMT -5
Ah you guys are no fun. I was hpping to be persuaded into running 4 separates lol.
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Post by Flunk on Nov 9, 2013 14:28:23 GMT -5
Ah you guys are no fun. I was hopping to be persuaded into running 4 separates lol. Sorry for that  You should do like me, im planning on bi-amping my Dali's, i think they need more Power.  And get 3 XPR-1 for the other speakers. |
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Post by wolffcub on Nov 9, 2013 14:41:33 GMT -5
My caveat is this. The XPA-100s have a gain of 32db. Soon all Emotiva amps will have a gain of 29db (a change in corporate philosophy). So plan ahead and pay attention to gains. Gen 2 amps have been "improved", and nobody here has complained about the changes. We, here in the Lounge, know that once you add external Emotiva amps to your system that the change will be jaw dropping. Especially since you said that turning your system up causes you to not be able to make heads or tails of a sound track. With Emotiva amps you'll find the soundtrack catches your wife's or neighbors attention before they will sound anywhere near that bad. Thanks for the reply but I don't actually have a beef currently with my speakers. By no means am I being snippy. My viewing experience has always been enjoyable to date with no audio issues with any volume settings. I'm just hoping to get a bit more from them. |
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Post by repeetavx on Nov 9, 2013 14:52:54 GMT -5
Ah you guys are no fun. I was hopping to be persuaded into running 4 separates lol. No problem. Nothing evokes as much awe, wonder and appreciation, as a stack of monoblock amplifiers. When you own a stack of monoblock amplifiers, you can listen knowing that you have provisioned yourself with the pinnacle of audio amplification. There is never any doubt or discussion if you are getting the maximum separation, or isolation, of channels that the highest quality of sources can provide. You can know confidently that each channel has its own power supply to provide the most powerful and dynamic reproduction available. You can smile knowingly, as other audiophiles express their desire for such a set-up you as you already have. With just a little saving and planning ahead, you can be one of them. |
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Post by wolffcub on Nov 10, 2013 0:36:51 GMT -5
My caveat is this. The XPA-100s have a gain of 32db. Soon all Emotiva amps will have a gain of 29db (a change in corporate philosophy). So plan ahead and pay attention to gains. Gen 2 amps have been "improved", and nobody here has complained about the changes. We, here in the Lounge, know that once you add external Emotiva amps to your system that the change will be jaw dropping. Especially since you said that turning your system up causes you to not be able to make heads or tails of a sound track. With Emotiva amps you'll find the soundtrack catches your wife's or neighbors attention before they will sound anywhere near that bad. So your gain difference concern you brought up between the two should not pose any major concerns should it? What are others doing differently when they are using different types of separates with non matching gain levels? All of that should be tailored with the preamp line level adjustments correct? |
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Post by repeetavx on Nov 10, 2013 1:53:07 GMT -5
Some have found success with adjusting the output level on their preamps to compensate for the gain difference. That didn't do it for me. I still heard a difference in the gain, just starting at a lower or higher level. If you have any old amps lying around with a different gain, you may want to try and see if your sensitive to it. |
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Post by wolffcub on Dec 3, 2013 12:15:39 GMT -5
Took the plunge and ordered some components. Will post up my plan and pics once i get the goods.
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Post by mak99 on Feb 1, 2014 13:15:59 GMT -5
Took the plunge and ordered some components. Will post up my plan and pics once i get the goods. I'm curious as to which amp(s) option you ultimately decided on, and if you are happy with the improvements. I recently became an Emo owner via a used UPA-7 purchase thru CL a few months ago, and was astonished with the improvement driving all seven speakers in my home theatre. Previously, my Onkyo 805 was the sole amplification for this dedicated ~16x20x8 room. I myself just bought three XPA-100s during the recent sale for my LCR, though due to needed rack changes I've only hooked one up at this time (yesterday evening, to be specific) for my biwired center speaker. I hope to get the other two XPAs integrated by next weekend if I get the shelf parts for my Salamander Synergy rack. Afterwards the UPA-7 will just be driving the four surround/rear surround speakers. Even with just the one XPA-100 in the system at this time, the sound quality sure seems just a tick better. But I'll do more listening tests once the other two XPAs are up and running... |
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Post by wolffcub on Feb 3, 2014 9:47:51 GMT -5
I ended up with 5 XPA-100 amps and a UMC-200. I had 2 minor glitches with the UMC but they seemed to work themselves out after about 2 weeks of usage. Very strange to have it do that but no issues anymore. My old setup i used for years was driven from a Yamaha rx-v1600 and was always feeling underpowered compared to when i actually listened to the speakers in the demo room when i bought the speakers. The new amps have completely changed the way the speakers sound now. They have a punch behind them i have never felt before and by no means sound muddy anymore.Looking for a XPA-200 now so i can integrate the other 2 speakers i have to run 7.1. I will post up more on the build thread i created later today when i get a chance.
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Post by selkec on Feb 3, 2014 10:25:41 GMT -5
none of these amps should sound different unless one is faulty. people saying things like a veil has been lifted and stuff like that are crazy. an amp is meant to do one thing. AMPLIFY the sound. if it does it and you hear differences. one of them is doing more that amplifying
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Post by wolffcub on Feb 3, 2014 12:33:33 GMT -5
I might have missed something above but to what post are you refer to about someone having the same type of amps that sound different?
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Post by creimes on Feb 3, 2014 14:16:44 GMT -5
Congrats on the setup, real power over a wimpy receiver is where my system benefited the most when I took the plunge into separates.
Chad
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 16:51:38 GMT -5
Sweet!..Lets us know how you like your new system. I should have pick up the UMC-200 don't get me wrong my NR818 is doing a nice job but I don't use most of what's in it.
Plus from what I have been reading the UMC-200 sounds great for two channel or 2.1 use and it seems to be much better then most AVR's with the surround too.
Once you get it set up you are going too really enjoy that system 5 monoblock's nice, really nice.!. |
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Post by garbulky on Feb 3, 2014 19:41:34 GMT -5
none of these amps should sound different unless one is faulty. people saying things like a veil has been lifted and stuff like that are crazy. an amp is meant to do one thing. AMPLIFY the sound. if it does it and you hear differences. one of them is doing more that amplifying You are right. If you hear differences in amps, then a possibility is AT LEAST one (or likely both) is doing something more than creating a perfect amplification of the analog signal while interacting with the speaker load. Having said that, I've heard differences in amps.  But I am a little kooky.  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 3, 2014 19:46:09 GMT -5
...Having said that, I've heard differences in amps. But I am a little kooky. Not me! LOL |
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Post by garbulky on Feb 3, 2014 19:50:39 GMT -5
...Having said that, I've heard differences in amps. But I am a little kooky. Not me! LOL This is my impression of B'zilla during his audio experiments.  And this is me  |
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Post by eclypse on Mar 2, 2014 16:47:40 GMT -5
My ro is 12x16 and the xpa-2 is plenty of power! I can get music too loud and still can turn it up if wanted/dared.
I was like u when looking for amps. Thinking by-amp my speakers and going mknl blocks. After much research i found out that by-amping was usless. The woofers in speakers require the most power and the tweeters drivers dont need much. So whats the point of feeding the speaker 200 watts to the top end when its not required. Its a waste. Also wont make any difference anyways bi-amping speakers with internal crossovers controlling the power anyways. One would have to modify the crossovers to effective bi-amp. So forget about bi-amping
Buy either a xpa-5 or a pair of xpa-1s and xpa-3 or 5 if runing 7 channel.
Though yes.. the biggest upgrade.that.will change ur sound is new speakers!
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But I am a little kooky. 
