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Post by bub on Feb 18, 2014 12:31:38 GMT -5
Great tip... Hope to implement this week..Endless possibilities .. Thanks
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Post by garbulky on Feb 18, 2014 13:30:51 GMT -5
I think velcro stands and bookshelves need to come standard. They work GREAT and he isn't kidding about how firmly they stick on.
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 18, 2014 17:50:28 GMT -5
Mr. Garbulky's idea of putting the subwoofer in the corner (however non-intuitive) has made a WORLD of difference! I stuck the PSA XV15 in a corner & tried it out. Much smoother! Still not quite integrated with the mains, though. It then occurred to me to use the Oppo to set the phase. I measured the distance from the sub to the listening position (16 feet) and the speakers to the listening position (13 feet). I then set the sub's phase dial to zero and gave it a listen. PERFECT match - crisp, clean, flat, and extended - just like it's supposed to sound!
After noticing that I still had some gain on the subwoofer's plate amp, I took the DefTechs back out of the system & put the Heresys back in. NOW we've got dynamics AND bass. Toe in is critical to prevent glare, but when properly positioned, the Heresys best the DefTechs. What a pleasant sound! THIS sounds like music.
The Heresys aren't the ultimate in imaging, so I'm looking some speakers with the dynamics and "jump factor" of the horn-loaded Heresys, the flat frequency response of the Thiels, and the imaging of the DefTechs. Any candidates?
Boom
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Post by pop on Feb 18, 2014 18:12:56 GMT -5
Awesome Boom! Awesome!
Give us a detailed review once you have everything dialed in just right.
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Post by garbulky on Feb 18, 2014 18:19:56 GMT -5
Glad to hear that helped. I would recommend waiting to see what Emotiva has in store. Also, I can't say when as it may take quite some time from now, but I am willing to bring the axioms by again to see how well it integrates with the sub XPR-2 and XSP-1. (If you like).
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Post by Davecski65 on Feb 18, 2014 18:32:48 GMT -5
awesome BOOM,i just got my second XV-15 ths week still testing and tuning,but there is a difference and def smooths out the bass and makes it alittle easir to tune,at least in my situation.By the way Nic clean setup!!!
+1 for garbulky AGAIN!
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 18, 2014 21:57:56 GMT -5
Glad to hear that helped. I would recommend waiting to see what Emotiva has in store. Also, I can't say when as it may take quite some time from now, but I am willing to bring the axioms by again to see how well it integrates with the sub XPR-2 and XSP-1. (If you like). Yes, thank you. We didn't get the best the Axioms had to offer last time, I'm sure. This time, we'll put some towels under the Axioms to avoid scratching! I can live with waiting on speakers - I'm buying/selling cheapies just to enjoy some variety & see what they can do. The Heresys surprised me. I'm hoping the KEFs do too. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 18, 2014 22:00:50 GMT -5
...+1 for garbulky AGAIN! Not only is he one of the nicest folks I've met, but he's also a WHIZ at audio hardware and he has a very musical ear. I'm VERY fortunate to have not only Garbulky but also RightinLA as neighbors. Thanks y'all!! |
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Feb 18, 2014 22:26:34 GMT -5
Mr. Garbulky's idea of putting the subwoofer in the corner (however non-intuitive) has made a WORLD of difference! I stuck the PSA XV15 in a corner & tried it out. Much smoother! Still not quite integrated with the mains, though. It then occurred to me to use the Oppo to set the phase. I measured the distance from the sub to the listening position (16 feet) and the speakers to the listening position (13 feet). I then set the sub's phase dial to zero and gave it a listen. PERFECT match - crisp, clean, flat, and extended - just like it's supposed to sound! After noticing that I still had some gain on the subwoofer's plate amp, I took the DefTechs back out of the system & put the Heresys back in. NOW we've got dynamics AND bass. Toe in is critical to prevent glare, but when properly positioned, the Heresys best the DefTechs. What a pleasant sound! THIS sounds like music. The Heresys aren't the ultimate in imaging, so I'm looking some speakers with the dynamics and "jump factor" of the horn-loaded Heresys, the flat frequency response of the Thiels, and the imaging of the DefTechs. Any candidates? Boom 1) Keep the sub in the corner 2) Put a Heresy on the sub toe-in to sweet spot (This is how the Heresy was designed to be placed unless it was center fill for KHorns) 3) Put the other Heresy on stand at same height as sub or get sub #2 At least try it. My Heresy IIIs image VERY well. Not as good as my DIY, but they also didn't cost $3000 just in parts! If you get most of the way, then get a Heresy III upgrade kit and K28 woofers. Absolutely don't use the current woofers as they are 8 ohm (K22 or K24). The K28 is 4! The upgrade kit reuses the midrange horn with a new driver. Most Klipsch fans agree the the order of preference with the Heresy is III, I, II! The above assumes you have replaced the caps in the crossovers?  ? |
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 18, 2014 22:33:28 GMT -5
Thanks, Chuck -
YOU should definitely know. I'm finding that my Heresy 2s image best when NOT toed in toward the listener. In my room, the Heresys do best spread widely (thanks to Garbulky for this tip) and pointed at a 90-degree angle to the back wall. Used that way, they don't have the midrange glare that they do on axis, and the center image, while not very deep, extends wall to wall wide.
Talk directly to Klipsch for a upgrade kit? To the best of my knowledge, the caps are original. I've some replacements on order.
There's also some loon on the Klipsch forum who repeatedly recommends stuffing a ping-pong ball down the throat of the midrange horn to tame the glare. You ever tried this? It's a dirt-cheap experiment...
Thanks again - Boom
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Feb 18, 2014 23:00:07 GMT -5
Cap replacement is not as easy a job on the Heresy II. Instead of being built on a large board anchored to the bottom of the speaker, it is built on the terminal connector assembly. Klipsch had stopped using the old oil filled caps by this point, but the polys they used weren't the best. Rebuild will be more difficult than a Heresy I. Even Crites replacements are done on an internal board and the terminal block is used only as +/- connection point. All these things are why you will see Heresy Is selling for more on EBay than IIs. What happened to the Is you had? This was my solution rebuilding an E crossover for my center Heresy. I used Hovland Musicaps which are no longer made. Note no solder method! Old  New:  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 18, 2014 23:04:16 GMT -5
GREAT CDS TO DEMO SPEAKERS WITH:
For bass:
Don Dorsey - Bachbusters - particularly Toccata & Fugue in D minor
Don Dorsey - Beethoven or Bust - particularly "Rage Over A Lost Penny"
The Commitments original soundtrack - particularly "Mustang Sally" and "In the Midnight Hour"
Jennifer Warnes - The Hunter - particularly "Somewhere, Somebody" and "Way Way Down Deep"
Norah Jones - Come Away With Me - particularly "Cold Cold Heart"
Peggy Lee - The Best Of - particularly "Fever"
Herbie Hancock - Dis is Da Drum - title track
Lady GaGa - The Fame Monster - particularly "Dance in the Dark"
Renaissance - Song of Scherezade - title track
DJ Magic Mike - "You Want Bass?"
Lou Bega - A Little Bit of Mambo - particularly "Icecream"
For midrange on up:
Singers Unlimited - Christmas - Particularly "Caroling, Caroling" and "Wassail Song"
Eagles - Seven Bridges Road
Crosby, Stills, & Nash - Suite, Judy Blue Eyes
The BoDeans - Fadeaway
Little Feat - Waiting For Columbus - particularly "Dixie Chicken"
Fritz Reiner - The Reiner Sound - particularly "Totentanz - Franz Liszt"
Itzhak Perlman - Favorite Encores - whole album
Alan Toussaint - The Bright Mississippi - particularly "St. James Infirmary"
Vladamir Horowitz - Scarlatti Sonatas
Madonna - The Immaculate Collection - whole album (Q-Sound)
Chris Isaak - Heart Shaped World - particularly "Blue Spanish Sky"
Trans Siberian Orchestra - Target Christmas - particularly "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" (guitar solo)
Atlantic Brass Quintet - Picture This - particularly "Hungarian Rhapsody"
I may add to this list from time to time as I remember/find other excellent recordings...
Boom
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 18, 2014 23:06:05 GMT -5
...What happened to the Is you had? A neighbor lady heard them & begged me for them. She's a sweetheart and they're good friends, so they're hers now. |
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Feb 18, 2014 23:11:33 GMT -5
...What happened to the Is you had? A neighbor lady heard them & begged me for them. She's a sweetheart and they're good friends, so they're hers now. Could you borrow them back? |
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 18, 2014 23:16:10 GMT -5
Nah - They're hers now and although she'd be happy to loan me them, it would be a hassle for her.
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Feb 18, 2014 23:28:03 GMT -5
Well continue your adventure dude.
You're starting to get close to what I first told you about 2 years ago after a huge load of different equipment!
Once you get addicted to the high efficiency sound there's no going back.
I've had 4 speakers, now 5 with my DIY, in my entire life. EV Aristocrat -> Bose 901(everyone makes a mistake) -> 1973 Vertical Cornwalls -> Heresy III
I'd even haul out the Cornwalls IIIs you have and see what they sound like now with a sub.
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 18, 2014 23:33:32 GMT -5
The Cornwalls are long gone. They had two problems in my room:
1. The cabinets weren't inert & blurred the bass with their vibrations
2. The 15" woofer narrowed its dispersion significantly before handing off to the midrange horn, causing both a speed and a frequency response discontinuity.
The Heresys work MUCH better, thanks (although the subwoofer does make them come alive more).
I can't count the speakers I've had, but of the ones I can remember:
Dahlquist DQ-10
AR-11
JBL L40
JBL L100
Magnepan II
Magnepan 1.6
Spendor LS3/5a
KEF 104.2
Some British Transmission lines
Some EV 15" home-mades
Klipsch Cornwall 1
Klipsch Cornwall 3
Klipsch LaScala 1
Klipsch LaScala 2
Klipsch Heresy 1
Klipsch Heresy 2
DCM KX10
Paradigm Studio 20
Paradigm Eclipse BP
DefTech BP20
DefTech SM65
Some Tannoy bookshelves
Emotiva Airmotiv 4
Boston Acoustics towers
Yamaha NS-45
and about that many more that I can't remember
Yes, I have been promiscuous...
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Post by novisnick on Feb 18, 2014 23:46:44 GMT -5
Well continue your adventure dude. You're starting to get close to what I first told you about 2 years ago after a huge load of different equipment! Once you get addicted to the high efficiency sound there's no going back. I've had 4 speakers, now 5 with my DIY, in my entire life. EV Aristocrat -> Bose 901(everyone makes a mistake) -> 1973 Vertical Cornwalls -> Heresy III I'd even haul out the Cornwalls IIIs you have and see what they sound like now with a sub. ( everyone makes a mistake ) I do beg your pardon my friend,,,,,,,, I have indeed found the perfect use for these speakers,,,,,,,,,,I think they work great for front hight speakers in a my 11.4 HT system. Special effects are highlighted with these. thunder and explosions sound great either near field or far off. granted,,they are a lot of speaker for this implimatation! Just my 2 cents hope your having a great day Nick |
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 18, 2014 23:50:01 GMT -5
I can see how their (Bose 901) dispersion might work very well as effects speakers (particularly for height or rear surround).
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Post by novisnick on Feb 18, 2014 23:58:08 GMT -5
I can see how their (Bose 901) dispersion might work very well as effects speakers (particularly for height or rear surround). Hi boom, thanks. I haven't used them for rear heights knowing that we perceive sound better form in front of us. Shouldn't you agree? |
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