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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 9:40:16 GMT -5
These are two of the ugliest speakers I have ever laid my eyes on in this forum!
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Post by mgbpuff on May 3, 2019 11:58:39 GMT -5
These are two of the ugliest speakers I have ever laid my eyes on in this forum! View AttachmentWhich two out of the four don’t you like?
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Post by DavidR on May 3, 2019 12:31:40 GMT -5
These are two of the ugliest speakers I have ever laid my eyes on in this forum! Looks don't matter. DQ-10s sound GREAT! One of the top 10 speakers.
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Post by emotivate on May 3, 2019 19:02:53 GMT -5
As Boom reminded me those are Quad speakers,another top rated "best" speaker, and not the DQ-10's.
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Post by adaboy on May 3, 2019 19:52:05 GMT -5
These are two of the ugliest speakers I have ever laid my eyes on in this forum! View AttachmentI was trying to figure out if you're supposed to sit on them or replace your interior in your old buick 😂
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 20:00:22 GMT -5
These are two of the ugliest speakers I have ever laid my eyes on in this forum! Looks don't matter. DQ-10s sound GREAT! One of the top 10 speakers.
There are lots of speakers that both sound great and look great!
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Post by Boomzilla on May 7, 2019 6:50:00 GMT -5
Should I try a Schiit Yggdrasil?
In favor of this are the following factoids:
1. The majority of music I listen to is 44.1 "red-book" CD quality 2. I'm not particularly interested in high bitrate or MQA 3. At least theoretically, the Yggy is a big step up in SQ from my current Oppo (used as a Roon destination and a DAC) 4. Garbulky's been nagging me to try one for years
Against this are the following:
1. The Yggy is a (relatively) LOT of money 2. The trial period is short 3. The current Oppo setup isn't too shabby on its own, and even if I got the Yggy, I'd still need the Oppo as a Roon destination. 4. If I try it beyond the trial period, and then decide I don't like it, I lose significant money selling it again.
What would tip me into the Yggy? If the DAC had a Roon-ready Ethernet input...
So to Ygg or not to Ygg - that is the question...
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Post by garbulky on May 7, 2019 9:27:25 GMT -5
Should I try a Schiit Yggdrasil? In favor of this are the following factoids: 1. The majority of music I listen to is 44.1 "red-book" CD quality 2. I'm not particularly interested in high bitrate or MQA 3. At least theoretically, the Yggy is a big step up in SQ from my current Oppo (used as a Roon destination and a DAC) 4. Garbulky's been nagging me to try one for years Against this are the following: 1. The Yggy is a (relatively) LOT of money 2. The trial period is short 3. The current Oppo setup isn't too shabby on its own, and even if I got the Yggy, I'd still need the Oppo as a Roon destination. 4. If I try it beyond the trial period, and then decide I don't like it, I lose significant money selling it again. What would tip me into the Yggy? If the DAC had a Roon-ready Ethernet input... So to Ygg or not to Ygg - that is the question... You use the Oppo for blu rays anyway so I doubt it's going anywhere. Since it has a Roon endpoint the need for one on every dac has always been unnecessary imo. And don't take my word for it - all of your dacs you've owned so far did not have roon endpoints and it's worked out well for you.
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Post by monkumonku on May 7, 2019 9:57:22 GMT -5
Should I try a Schiit Yggdrasil? In favor of this are the following factoids: 1. The majority of music I listen to is 44.1 "red-book" CD quality 2. I'm not particularly interested in high bitrate or MQA 3. At least theoretically, the Yggy is a big step up in SQ from my current Oppo (used as a Roon destination and a DAC) 4. Garbulky's been nagging me to try one for years Against this are the following: 1. The Yggy is a (relatively) LOT of money 2. The trial period is short 3. The current Oppo setup isn't too shabby on its own, and even if I got the Yggy, I'd still need the Oppo as a Roon destination. 4. If I try it beyond the trial period, and then decide I don't like it, I lose significant money selling it again. What would tip me into the Yggy? If the DAC had a Roon-ready Ethernet input... So to Ygg or not to Ygg - that is the question... Unless you get one, you're never going to stop wondering about it. Both of us know what I'm saying is right, no? If you can afford it (which I think you can based on all the purchases you make), then you will never be satisfied until you hear it for yourself.
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Post by KeithL on May 7, 2019 11:47:12 GMT -5
I'm going to throw one more thing into the mix - just to complicate your life even more.
The Yggy uses rather different technology... and I would expect it to sound at least somewhat different than the Oppo. However, assuming there is an obvious difference, how long would it take you to "break in", and get used to the way the Yggy sounds, enough to decide which you like better?
Should I try a Schiit Yggdrasil? In favor of this are the following factoids: 1. The majority of music I listen to is 44.1 "red-book" CD quality 2. I'm not particularly interested in high bitrate or MQA 3. At least theoretically, the Yggy is a big step up in SQ from my current Oppo (used as a Roon destination and a DAC) 4. Garbulky's been nagging me to try one for years Against this are the following: 1. The Yggy is a (relatively) LOT of money 2. The trial period is short 3. The current Oppo setup isn't too shabby on its own, and even if I got the Yggy, I'd still need the Oppo as a Roon destination. 4. If I try it beyond the trial period, and then decide I don't like it, I lose significant money selling it again. What would tip me into the Yggy? If the DAC had a Roon-ready Ethernet input... So to Ygg or not to Ygg - that is the question...
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Post by Bonzo on May 7, 2019 12:46:39 GMT -5
I'm going to throw one more thing into the mix - just to complicate your life even more. The Yggy uses rather different technology... and I would expect it to sound at least somewhat different than the Oppo. However, assuming there is an obvious difference, how long would it take you to "break in", and get used to the way the Yggy sounds, enough to decide which you like better? Should I try a Schiit Yggdrasil? In favor of this are the following factoids: 1. The majority of music I listen to is 44.1 "red-book" CD quality 2. I'm not particularly interested in high bitrate or MQA 3. At least theoretically, the Yggy is a big step up in SQ from my current Oppo (used as a Roon destination and a DAC) 4. Garbulky's been nagging me to try one for years Against this are the following: 1. The Yggy is a (relatively) LOT of money 2. The trial period is short 3. The current Oppo setup isn't too shabby on its own, and even if I got the Yggy, I'd still need the Oppo as a Roon destination. 4. If I try it beyond the trial period, and then decide I don't like it, I lose significant money selling it again. What would tip me into the Yggy? If the DAC had a Roon-ready Ethernet input... So to Ygg or not to Ygg - that is the question... Forget about Boomzilla breaking in, many say the Yggy supposedly takes at least a week to warm up, if not several weeks to a month, of continuous "on" status. We had a big discussion about it here before. Some believe, some don't. But Robert Harley basically confirmed it in his Absolute Sound review. Said it sounded bad at turn on, but after a long while (weeks), claimed its one of the top 3 DACs he's ever heard. He didn't get used to it as you might say, as he didn't listen to it for 3 weeks straight. That's why on this particular product, I think Schiitt needs to extend their trial period to 45 days. Regardless of debate, 15 days is not long enough to evaluate a $2500 DAC in my opinion.
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Post by DavidR on May 7, 2019 13:15:16 GMT -5
You're on the 45 yard line and it's 4th and 15.. Time to punt.
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Post by KeithL on May 7, 2019 13:23:26 GMT -5
I'll have to admit I'm quite dubious about that whole subject.
I would be very interested to hear if anyone has ever conducted a real double blind test... To determine for real whether there was an audible difference between one that's been on for twelve hours and one that's been on continuously for twelve weeks. (If there were bets to be had I'd cheerfully put $50 on "no".)
However, regardless of any of that, you're better off finding out for yourself, rather than spending the rest of your life wondering what you might have been missing. I'm going to throw one more thing into the mix - just to complicate your life even more. The Yggy uses rather different technology... and I would expect it to sound at least somewhat different than the Oppo. However, assuming there is an obvious difference, how long would it take you to "break in", and get used to the way the Yggy sounds, enough to decide which you like better? Forget about Boomzilla breaking in, many say the Yggy supposedly takes at least a week to warm up, if not several weeks to a month, of continuous "on" status. We had a big discussion about it here before. Some believe, some don't. But Robert Harley basically confirmed it in his Absolute Sound review. Said it sounded bad at turn on, but after a long while (weeks), claimed its one of the top 3 DACs he's ever heard. He didn't get used to it as you might say, as he didn't listen to it for 3 weeks straight. That's why on this particular product, I think Schiitt needs to extend their trial period to 45 days. Regardless of debate, 15 days is not long enough to evaluate a $2500 DAC in my opinion.
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Post by ttocs on May 7, 2019 14:49:50 GMT -5
I'll have to admit I'm quite dubious about that whole subject.
I would be very interested to hear if anyone has ever conducted a real double blind test... To determine for real whether there was an audible difference between one that's been on for twelve hours and one that's been on continuously for twelve weeks. (If there were bets to be had I'd cheerfully put $50 on "no".)
Forget about Boomzilla breaking in, many say the Yggy supposedly takes at least a week to warm up, if not several weeks to a month, of continuous "on" status. We had a big discussion about it here before. Some believe, some don't. But Robert Harley basically confirmed it in his Absolute Sound review. Said it sounded bad at turn on, but after a long while (weeks), claimed its one of the top 3 DACs he's ever heard. He didn't get used to it as you might say, as he didn't listen to it for 3 weeks straight. That's why on this particular product, I think Schiitt needs to extend their trial period to 45 days. Regardless of debate, 15 days is not long enough to evaluate a $2500 DAC in my opinion. The only way I can think of which can be correlated to what people think they hear vs hard scientific measured differences would be to setup a mic and record the same music track multiple times and overlay the tracks to see if there are any differences. Turn off everything else in the house and don't move anything. This gets real world output vs sweeps, chirps, and clicks which only ocean going mammals can understand. I did something similar to compare differences of a multi channel amp driving one speaker vs two speakers. Yes there were differences, but they were less different with the more expensive amp.
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Post by audiobill on May 7, 2019 17:07:32 GMT -5
If you'd like a multibit dac, go for the Audionote 4.1 LE, or a Yggy if you want to shave a buck off.
Else, a Directstream.
In any case, avoid delta sigma dacs.
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Post by Boomzilla on May 7, 2019 17:17:35 GMT -5
Well... As I persuaded Karen Hutchinson back in my younger days - it's time to "just do it."
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 17:26:06 GMT -5
I'll have to admit I'm quite dubious about that whole subject.
I would be very interested to hear if anyone has ever conducted a real double blind test... To determine for real whether there was an audible difference between one that's been on for twelve hours and one that's been on continuously for twelve weeks. (If there were bets to be had I'd cheerfully put $50 on "no".)
However, regardless of any of that, you're better off finding out for yourself, rather than spending the rest of your life wondering what you might have been missing. Forget about Boomzilla breaking in, many say the Yggy supposedly takes at least a week to warm up, if not several weeks to a month, of continuous "on" status. We had a big discussion about it here before. Some believe, some don't. But Robert Harley basically confirmed it in his Absolute Sound review. Said it sounded bad at turn on, but after a long while (weeks), claimed its one of the top 3 DACs he's ever heard. He didn't get used to it as you might say, as he didn't listen to it for 3 weeks straight. That's why on this particular product, I think Schiitt needs to extend their trial period to 45 days. Regardless of debate, 15 days is not long enough to evaluate a $2500 DAC in my opinion. Oh, so are you implying in the distant realm of possibility that some of us are hearing (pun intended) things? Let me tell you buster, aka Emotiva Polytechnical Guru Writer and General KIA in charge, my ears have been certified as 100% accurate to the confirmation of real audible differences. I don't need no double blind or even no triple blind tests. I can immediately hear any differences in any DAC in my home, before or after the old lady moved that big china cabinet (bought in Japan, made in China), at the dealers, at the audio show, at my buddy's home or even at someone's home sound room stupid enough to spend $2500 plus on a DAC. I used to spend lots of time in the original Magnolia Hi-Fi store in the Magnolia area of Seattle. Len Tweten (great guy) the owner, told me why he got out of the photo business and into the stereo business. He knew that it was hard to fool photographers as to what they could actually see in their photos with their very own eyes (that was before Photoshop of course). He quickly figured out that he could fool almost all audiophiles or aspiring audiophiles and even most pedophiles that they could hear actual honest to God differences even in products that were a simple re-branded identical product. The rest was a very successful business. BTW #1: over 90% of folks in Seattle when asked what they think think of when they hear the word Magnolia, mention the song Silver Magnolia by the Greateful Dead, man. 5% mention a song (if you want to call it a song) named Magnolia by Playboi Carti. Don't bother to Google it. It's not in English and won't be able to understand a word of it, dude. BTW #2: I have connections in the CIA. It is still top secret but the original Levkoff family left (another pun) the old country after the KGB exposed their treasonous treachery. The entire family was deported in a sudden sendoff after their selloff of their entire stash of gold and silver. PS#1: To stave off any hate mail and any who haven't noticed the end of my name (Nut), I only tease folks I really like and respect like KL.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 17:36:00 GMT -5
Well... As I persuaded Karen Hutchinson back in my younger days - it's time to "just do it." Well, guessing at your advanced age I can probably guess that you talked Karen into Doing The Jerk: Otherwise it was probably some type of jerking activity up against the hutch.
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Post by brubacca on May 7, 2019 19:21:13 GMT -5
Boom,
Did you think that the Rega DAC sounded better after being on for some time?
I agree that the 15 day time period is very short for an evaluation, plus even within the 15 day trial you get hit with a 5% restocking fee.
It's a shame that you can't find a preowned one at one of your magic sources.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 21:16:39 GMT -5
Gee, I often wonder why there is a re-stocking fee or in many cases no return privileges at all after the recommended burn-in times? These folks/dealers are not numb. Most of them and a few of us know the burn-in time is nonsense except for mechanical reasons in some speakers. For Example, Bose speakers sound mediocre at first and then worse after the break-in period. They pulled the wool over my eyes and I bought the original 901's back in the early 70's. After I learned the trick of the Bose equalizer (up to 18dB boost) and why they sounded OK at the dealers in front of a bare wall and with a tank size Mac amp, but where's the base with my 35W/ch receiver, never again any Bose products. Sorry, I'm still upset I fell for it. Try this if possible, similar to the concept of a blind test. I would love to try this on all burn-in fans if I could find a willing dealer. Take your new component product home and use it for a reasonable burn-in time agreed upon by you and the dealer. After the burn-in time and you and the dealer feel the sound is set-in and stable, with the help of a friend or wife, someone sneaks into your system and switches to a brand new product just out of the box of the same exact model. Then after you listen to it again for awhile do you notice any sudden and/or subtle change in sound. Not knowing they made the switch, I'll bet you 10,000 yen you will hear no difference.
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