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Post by leonski on Aug 31, 2022 2:09:27 GMT -5
KLF-30? No. No horn loaded bass. Just another monkey coffin with drivers in it. On another topic - I think I've totally worn out the microswitches in my trackball with all the HDD grooming I've been doing on my music library. The control, shift, and return keys on my keyboard are also now intermittent. Oh well... Keyboards are commodity cheap. And a trackball? Maybe one of those pads you can draw on with a stylus? I've never needed one......so have no practical advise for one of them..... |
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 31, 2022 7:12:08 GMT -5
I like Logitech ones.
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 1, 2022 7:47:18 GMT -5
I'm beginning to suspect that the Topping D10s DAC I ordered may not be able to play all the formats I've got.
I've got audio in:
.wav
.m4a
.mp3
.dsf
.flac
I guess my issues may be two - Will Roon pass all these formats in their native state without auto-converting or scrambling them and will the Topping D10s play these?
The DAC only goes up to 256 bits, so if anything is higher, either Roon will need to down convert it on the fly or it won't play.
Anyone else have experience with Roon and the Topping D10s?
Thanks - Boomzilla
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Post by 405x5 on Sept 1, 2022 7:54:58 GMT -5
KLF-30? No. No horn loaded bass. Just another monkey coffin with drivers in it. On another topic - I think I've totally worn out the microswitches in my trackball with all the HDD grooming I've been doing on my music library. The control, shift, and return keys on my keyboard are also now intermittent. Oh well... Keyboards are commodity cheap. And a trackball? Maybe one of those pads you can draw on with a stylus? I've never needed one......so have no practical advise for one of them..... Ahhh yes (A Trackball 🖲)! I never did own one, however a FOCUS GROUP once paid me 200.00 bucks to “play” with one for an afternoon in a controlled environment. |
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Post by marcl on Sept 1, 2022 8:26:43 GMT -5
Keyboards are commodity cheap. And a trackball? Maybe one of those pads you can draw on with a stylus? I've never needed one......so have no practical advise for one of them..... Ahhh yes (A Trackball 🖲)! I never did own one, however a FOCUS GROUP once paid me 200.00 bucks to “play” with one for an afternoon in a controlled environment. I've preferred trackballs since I first saw one in the mid 80's on a Honeywell control system. More precise and less desk space than a mouse. I used Logitech and Kensington over the years. Had a hard time finding them for a while but then found this one which works really well and even has a button for very precise control. I recently (after 25 years) switched from Wacom tablets to Xencelabs. I like the small tablet and the Quick Keys companion module that can be programmed with commonly used functions specific to each application.  |
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Post by 405x5 on Sept 1, 2022 10:11:02 GMT -5
Ahhh yes (A Trackball 🖲)! I never did own one, however a FOCUS GROUP once paid me 200.00 bucks to “play” with one for an afternoon in a controlled environment. I've preferred trackballs since I first saw one in the mid 80's on a Honeywell control system. More precise and less desk space than a mouse. I used Logitech and Kensington over the years. Had a hard time finding them for a while but then found this one which works really well and even has a button for very precise control. I recently (after 25 years) switched from Wacom tablets to Xencelabs. I like the small tablet and the Quick Keys companion module that can be programmed with commonly used functions specific to each application. View AttachmentTime does fly! I moved in 1995 and my trackball experience for sure was well before that. |
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Post by brubacca on Sept 1, 2022 15:00:17 GMT -5
I'm beginning to suspect that the Topping D10s DAC I ordered may not be able to play all the formats I've got. I've got audio in: .wav .m4a .mp3 .dsf .flac I guess my issues may be two - Will Roon pass all these formats in their native state without auto-converting or scrambling them and will the Topping D10s play these? The DAC only goes up to 256 bits, so if anything is higher, either Roon will need to down convert it on the fly or it won't play. Anyone else have experience with Roon and the Topping D10s? Thanks - Boomzilla Boom I have a d10s, but it isn't the device playing the files. Roon has to support those file containers (I used that word to sound fancy). That being said I am not familiar with a .dsf. I do believe all others work fine. Perfect example is .m4a. roon doesn't support that format until you install a codec into the server. Also when you setup an audio endpoint you can select DSD Native or PCM decode... So Roon or any other player has to support the file format (flac,wave, whatever) and Dac has to support bit depth and resolution (24/96, 24/192, DSD). I have no DSD music. |
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Post by leonski on Sept 1, 2022 18:56:29 GMT -5
Until I LOOKED I didn't even think you could still GET a new one!
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 1, 2022 19:52:28 GMT -5
.dsf is SACD format? Or else it's DVD-Audio, one of the two...
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Post by brubacca on Sept 2, 2022 11:16:46 GMT -5
According to Roon they do support dsf files. Roon supports up to DSD512 inside the dag file.
The Topping supports DSD256.
The way I read it is that as long as your Dsf file contains DSD256 (or presumably lower) then Roon Should pass this DSD natively to the Topping D10s.
Sorry I don't have any dsf files to test. My D10s is connected directly to my server.
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 2, 2022 13:27:27 GMT -5
Thanks brubacca - I appreciate it. Roon doesn’t support ALL the formats I’m trying to run through it (mp4, for example, that is primarily a video CODEC), but it should be OK with the majority of my material. I’m just getting started with “high-rez audio,” and the Topping is my initial foray into the realm of more capable hardware. Thanks again for the info! |
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Post by brubacca on Sept 2, 2022 16:01:39 GMT -5
Sorry thought .m4a was apple codec. It's a struggle to keep up. I was all on about hi res. To me simple cd quality flac sounds really good.
I'm just not spending to get hi res files. Qobuz streams them, but other than the audible click of my dac I'd struggle to say the hi res makes me enjoy the music more. It may sound "better" technically but it doesn't change my enjoyment.
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 2, 2022 22:44:05 GMT -5
I’d tend to agree. At its best, 16/44 can sound absolutely AMAZING!
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 5, 2022 10:33:40 GMT -5
The Topping D10s DAC I ordered from Amazon is being delivered by the traditional "slow boat from China," and will be here in about another month. Lesson learned? NEVER buy anything from Amazon without both selecting "Amazon Prime ONLY" and checking for a delivery estimate on the final "Place my order" page. Sigh...
The D10s, like Emotiva's Big Ego +, is powered by the USB port that it's connected to. That being the case, I'd assume that the DAC wouldn't be particularly happy trying to drive power amplifiers directly through a passive volume pot - particularly if I were attempting to drive mono amps at the end of long interconnects.... Therefore, either an active preamplifier or an integrated amplifier is called for Time to dig out my PT1 from the bowels of the closet again!
While waiting for my new DAC to arrive, I'll be researching the internet for what is needed of have the source files, the DAC, and Roon player all get along.
Boom
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 11, 2022 12:49:01 GMT -5
New Technology -
One of my audio amigo's friends has been working on creating stereo versions of songs previously available only in mono. In the past, programs that purported to do this just messed with the phase of the original file by creating an out of phase copy and then selectively remixing certain portions of the frequency spectrum. The results, while technically "stereo," weren't much to write home about. This gentleman has done far more credible work. I don't know if he plans to commercialize his process, but I find his results impressive...
Boom
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Post by DYohn on Sept 11, 2022 14:48:02 GMT -5
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 11, 2022 15:47:36 GMT -5
So for the formats that Roon doesn't support, such as m4a and .dsf, what is the best option when converting them to Roon-digestable formats? My DAC says it can accept up to:
44.1 to 384 kHz / 16Bit or 32Bit
DSD64 to DSD256 (Native)
DSD128 (DOP)
But since Roon can't digest DSD or DOP (if I understand correctly), It would seem that high-bit Flac files would be my best bet?
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Post by leonski on Sept 11, 2022 17:17:08 GMT -5
So for the formats that Roon doesn't support, such as m4a and .dsf, what is the best option when converting them to Roon-digestable formats? My DAC says it can accept up to: 44.1 to 384 kHz / 16Bit or 32Bit DSD64 to DSD256 (Native) DSD128 (DOP) But since Roon can't digest DSD or DOP (if I understand correctly), It would seem that high-bit Flac files would be my best bet? Any format that produces a Bit Accurate copy of the original should be fine. I use ALAC, but my needs are quite simple.... MP3-160 on my phone conserves space and is FINE in the car where 'critial' applies only to not crashing.... |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 11, 2022 22:11:03 GMT -5
Plan B - With the availability of TIDAL & Qobuz, I'm not sure it's worth the time and trouble to even maintain my own music library anymore. If I relied on streaming only, I could sell the cubic yards of CDs I'm holding onto & not worry further about backups, sorting, titling consistency, etc. It's a thought...
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Post by KeithL on Sept 12, 2022 8:43:52 GMT -5
To me that depends on your needs... I do a lot of my listening on streaming nowadays... However: 1. No Internet service is 100.0% reliable... so there are both occasional significant outages and more common "minor glitches" with streaming. (Not exactly a major issue lately.) 2. No streaming provider can be absolutely assumed to have a given album or to continue to have a given album. I still have one or two old favorites that are NOT available on any streaming service... which requires me to maintain the ability to play regular files. And, far worse to me, there is no assurance that every album that is available today will remain available. Services occasionally "lose" content to "licensing disputes and renegotiations". In addition to that we may assume that, over time, older content may be deleted or "lost" due to "lack of interest". And, of course, some content has never been available via streaming, or even via CD. 3. Somewhat related to the previous issue... Many streaming services don't maintain or keep track of "minor versions". Try to find a specific release of Dark Side of the Moon... or even find out which specific version you're listening to... Plan B - With the availability of TIDAL & Qobuz, I'm not sure it's worth the time and trouble to even maintain my own music library anymore. If I relied on streaming only, I could sell the cubic yards of CDs I'm holding onto & not worry further about backups, sorting, titling consistency, etc. It's a thought... |
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