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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 27, 2023 18:49:02 GMT -5
Contemplation of a new car:
What I'd LIKE to buy is a 2023 Lincoln Town Car. But they quit making them in 2011, and I'm not about to buy a used car that old. Obviously, I'm a big guy and want a BIG car or SUV (easy to get in and out of), but I have additional requirements:
1. NO turbocharged or supercharged engines - Why? In a word, heat. When the ambient temperature is 110 in the shade, the wimpy cooling systems they put on turbo/super chargers don't last but between 5 & 10 years (say not one but multiple mechanics I've polled).
2. NO black interiors - Why? Same reason - Heat buildup becomes unbearable with dark interiors.
3. NO Dodge, Chrysler, or Fiat vehicles - Why? The local police have used every model of Chrysler & Dodge and have reported that the cooling systems are universally undersized and that their engines burn up within five years.
4. NO vehicles costing more than $70K - Why? Wife would stroke out.
Suggestions?
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Post by leonski on Sept 27, 2023 19:00:12 GMT -5
I RENTED a Chevy Malibu once when up in Boise for a week....visiting my poor, sick brother.
It was black and it was in the 90s outside.......
Opening the hood after even a modest run was like stepping into an OPEN Pizza Oven.......
I drove VERY easy on the car which ran fine. but my Suspicion was that between the heat
and other issues, this was not an engine for 200,000 miles....like my '84 Accord.....
Me? My hearty recommendation is to go to the LEXUS dealer and try on one of the SUV models.
They make a hybrid and 'other'.....You'll have to Look Thru 'em and decide. they even make some
nice sports Sedans.
ME? LC500. 5.0 V8 of 470hp. Leather everything. ONLY 2 seats....but OH! like sitting in a hand.
SCREW the expense. Go down and bargain. They START at 'only' around 100 Large but is, IMO an
End Game vehicle unless you pile on the miles........
We have a WHITE (I mean REALLY White) Mazda CX-5 with a Parchment Interior. And sunroof.
Well equipped and 3rd from the bottom of a 8 car line. NO turbo, but a real 6 speed auto. Not
fast, but certianly good on the highway. We got 32mpg on a recent 1500 mile trip from San Diego
up to and around ZION NP...
The only thing I think you get going up line is 19" wheels, which I'll skip. the 17's on my car tend to
ride smoother.
OH! It is an AWD model which means OK in snow and other rotten conditions.....Welll reviewed......
IMO? You should ALSO put CVT on the 'forbidden list'......And anything from the Stellantis Group......
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Post by SteveH on Sept 27, 2023 19:14:59 GMT -5
I rent a lot of vehicles for vacations and excursions. When it comes to SUVs, we have recently rented a Yukon Denali, Ford Expedition XL and a Chevy Suburban. We have driven each of these vehicles for at least ten days totaling 1500+ miles, and we have conclude that we liked the Ford Expedition XL the best. These vehicles are pricey brand new, but if you can find a certified pre-owned ('used' is a term long gone) at a reasonable price, that is the way to go. I have been a GM/Chevy person my entire life. Had a 1981 Camaro (sold it at 370,000miles), a 1982 Z28 (total piece of sh**), 1985 Buick Regal, a 1967 396SS Chevelle, Muncie 4 speed (bad ass car), a 1972 402 BBC/Turbo 400 Monte Carlo (bad ass car) The Chevelle and Monte Carlo were animals at the drag strip and I raced both of those street legal cars for years (on the street and on the track, haha). That being said, the Ford Expedition XL would be my choice at 62 years old.
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Post by SteveH on Sept 27, 2023 19:41:10 GMT -5
We have a WHITE (I mean REALLY White) Mazda CX-5 with a Parchment Interior. I absolutely love my 2020 Mazda CX-3. There is a lifetime warranty on the power train if you have your vehicle inspected at year seven at the dealership where you purchased it, but there is a thirty day window in which you need to comply. |
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Post by Zombie on Sept 27, 2023 21:30:20 GMT -5
Contemplation of a new car: What I'd LIKE to buy is a 2023 Lincoln Town Car. But they quit making them in 2011, and I'm not about to buy a used car that old. Obviously, I'm a big guy and want a BIG car or SUV (easy to get in and out of), but I have additional requirements: 1. NO turbocharged or supercharged engines - Why? In a word, heat. When the ambient temperature is 110 in the shade, the wimpy cooling systems they put on turbo/super chargers don't last but between 5 & 10 years (say not one but multiple mechanics I've polled). 2. NO black interiors - Why? Same reason - Heat buildup becomes unbearable with dark interiors. 3. NO Dodge, Chrysler, or Fiat vehicles - Why? The local police have used every model of Chrysler & Dodge and have reported that the cooling systems are universally undersized and that their engines burn up within five years. 4. NO vehicles costing more than $70K - Why? Wife would stroke out. Suggestions? Maybe something like a Chevy Tahoe or Suburban? Or maybe a Toyota Sequoia (if not new maybe a year or two old). We’ve got a 2004 Sequoia that we bought new. 331k and still going strong. I want a new SUV but the wife loves this car so it won’t be until it dies. I drive a 2022 Audi RS5. Pretty fast car. Really low so getting in and out isn’t fun. Fun car to drive but German longevity is always an issue. Fortunately I don’t drive a lot so I’ll probably keep it 4-5 years then maybe look at a Lexus or something. The Genesis G90 is a nice big car but probably not under 70k. |
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Post by leonski on Sept 27, 2023 22:32:24 GMT -5
I rent a lot of vehicles for vacations and excursions. When it comes to SUVs, we have recently rented a Yukon Denali, Ford Expedition XL and a Chevy Suburban. We have driven each of these vehicles for at least ten days totaling 1500+ miles, and we have conclude that we liked the Ford Expedition XL the best. These vehicles are pricey brand new, but if you can find a certified pre-owned ('used' is a term long gone) at a reasonable price, that is the way to go. I have been a GM/Chevy person my entire life. Had a 1981 Camaro (sold it at 370,000miles), a 1982 Z28 (total piece of sh**), 1985 Buick Regal, a 1967 396SS Chevelle, Muncie 4 speed (bad ass car), a 1972 402 BBC/Turbo 400 Monte Carlo (bad ass car) The Chevelle and Monte Carlo were animals at the drag strip and I raced both of those street legal cars for years (on the street and on the track, haha). That being said, the Ford Expedition XL would be my choice at 62 years old. Wife had .....(past tense) wanted a Jeep Grand Cherokee. We RENTED one......and she drove it 10 or 15 miles before abandoning the drivers seat for other accommodations. Her remark? 'It drives like a TRUCK'....... '82 Z28? A SHADOW of the original which had a 302v8 of an advertised 275 or 290 HP.....while the NHRA (The drag race people) immediatly 'factored' it to 325. Which put it up against a host of BIG block stuff like 383 dodge and 396 Chevy as well as several other 'power house' engines of the time. ME? while the Z28 of '67 Thru '69 was a 'monster'....in the performance sense. I think some versions came with tubular headers IN the trunk for later fitment.....I'm less clear about 2x4bbl carb options while I think some even may have been fit with 4-wheel disc brakes.......You needed the correct RPO code.....and a dealer who would work with you. SS396 from '67? Came as 325 or maybe 350hp. A WELL TUNED and driven 327 / which could be had from 275 hp to something wacky....maybe 360 or 380 with Rochester Fuel Injection could beat it. I watched it happen. Neighbor had JUST what you mention, and in that wonderful Crystal Blue......and I think 'wide oval' firestones? 327 had him by about 1/2 a length in a 3 out of 3 death match. My absolute FAVE engine of the era? Dodge 340 with tripower. THIS was one heck of a 'sleeper' and in a small body like the Dart was very fast indeed...... But for the overachiever? YENKO put ANY engine in ANY car....so a 450hp(425) Camaro 427 (L72?) was not out of the question....... Give me THAT engine in a '68 SS427 Impala Convertible with that 4 speed Muncie..... We just put 1500 trip miles on the wife's CX-5.....new for '23, it comes W/ AWD and a very nice suite of standard features. We DID NOT go turbo....Given the weight to power ratio? Lacks drag strip creds and does not climb long grades well......but did return 32mpg...... |
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Post by cawgijoe on Sept 28, 2023 7:31:13 GMT -5
Contemplation of a new car: What I'd LIKE to buy is a 2023 Lincoln Town Car. But they quit making them in 2011, and I'm not about to buy a used car that old. Obviously, I'm a big guy and want a BIG car or SUV (easy to get in and out of), but I have additional requirements: 1. NO turbocharged or supercharged engines - Why? In a word, heat. When the ambient temperature is 110 in the shade, the wimpy cooling systems they put on turbo/super chargers don't last but between 5 & 10 years (say not one but multiple mechanics I've polled). 2. NO black interiors - Why? Same reason - Heat buildup becomes unbearable with dark interiors. 3. NO Dodge, Chrysler, or Fiat vehicles - Why? The local police have used every model of Chrysler & Dodge and have reported that the cooling systems are universally undersized and that their engines burn up within five years. 4. NO vehicles costing more than $70K - Why? Wife would stroke out. Suggestions? Suggest taking a look at Consumer Reports. I would take a look at various manufacturers including Toyota,Honda,Subaru, and Mazda. I'm partial to Honda because I have had great luck over the years with their vehicles. I have not had good luck with American vehicles, but I know they are much better than they used to be. If you don't have a subscription to CR, let me know which cars you are interested in and I will look up what they say. Edit: I have a good friend who is big...6'2" with a linebacker's body. He loves his Subaru Forester and says there is plenty of room for him. He also owns a Ford F-150, but drives the Subaru more because of the gas mileage advantage. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 28, 2023 9:26:39 GMT -5
Both Subaru Outback and Forester are high on my interest index. Some trim levels in the Outback are turbo engine only, but some aren't. I think that all the Forester models are naturally aspirated. So far as I know, Subaru gets good marks for reliability, but not every burg has a Subaru dealer, so factory service may or may not be available. Another downside is that these two models are smaller and lighter than some other cars. Even though these cars have good safety features including a flock of airbags, the laws of physics are still against you.
Toyota Sienna hybrid is also a good contender - not too expensive, naturally-aspirated engine, 36 mpg, outstanding reliability, and Toyota dealers are everywhere, but on the other hand, the back seats aren't removable for increased cargo space. The Sienna is a heavy vehicle, and also has good safety ratings. Of the contenders, this seems the best choice, but the wait time for a new order approaches a year.
The Toyota Sequoia is also attractive, but its price is more than twice that of some other contenders and its engine is a turbo - scratch this one.
I also like the Ford Expedition but the prices are significantly higher than the other contenders.
Chevy/GMC Yukon Denali / Suburban / Tahoe might work from a size standpoint, but the last Chevy I owned had TERRIBLE reliability; once bitten, twice shy.
I've currently got a Honda Odyssey, but am not happy with it. Why? Pushbutton shifting is an irritant - The ergonomics really SUUUUUCK - The transmission is a danger (you never know when the car will start moving from a stop) - No hybrid available (not a major issue). The transmission is the major objection and it's a safety hazard. I've complained to NHTSA and the CPSC since the transmission has caused my family several "near miss" issues. I'd like to sell this & move on.
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Post by cawgijoe on Sept 28, 2023 9:56:24 GMT -5
Both Subaru Outback and Forester are high on my interest index. Some trim levels in the Outback are turbo engine only, but some aren't. I think that all the Forester models are naturally aspirated. So far as I know, Subaru gets good marks for reliability, but not every burg has a Subaru dealer, so factory service may or may not be available. Another downside is that these two models are smaller and lighter than some other cars. Even though these cars have good safety features including a flock of airbags, the laws of physics are still against you. Toyota Sienna hybrid is also a good contender - not too expensive, naturally-aspirated engine, 36 mpg, outstanding reliability, and Toyota dealers are everywhere, but on the other hand, the back seats aren't removable for increased cargo space. The Sienna is a heavy vehicle, and also has good safety ratings. Of the contenders, this seems the best choice, but the wait time for a new order approaches a year. The Toyota Sequoia is also attractive, but its price is more than twice that of some other contenders and its engine is a turbo - scratch this one. I also like the Ford Expedition but the prices are significantly higher than the other contenders. Chevy/GMC Yukon Denali / Suburban / Tahoe might work from a size standpoint, but the last Chevy I owned had TERRIBLE reliability; once bitten, twice shy. I've currently got a Honda Odyssey, but am not happy with it. Why? Pushbutton shifting is an irritant - The ergonomics really SUUUUUCK - The transmission is a danger (you never know when the car will start moving from a stop) - No hybrid available (not a major issue). The transmission is the major objection and it's a safety hazard. I've complained to NHTSA and the CPSC since the transmission has caused my family several "near miss" issues. I'd like to sell this & move on. I just bought a Honda Accord Hybrid EX-L. Have had it for about a month and a half and loving it so far. Fantastic gas mileage and moves when it needs to. It's comfortable and well built. My previous vehicle was a 2013 Honda Fit Sport. 10.5 years old. 87,000 miles when sold to Carvana for $10K. I paid $16K brand new. Manual transmission. The only issue besides regular maintenance was a wheel bearing. That being said, go drive the Subaru Forester and keep an open mind. My friend also hates turbo charged engines but abosolutlely loves this vehicle (does not have turbocharger). He is one to get a new car every few years, but is not letting this one go yet. It is smaller, but has alot of room. CR gives it excellent ratings. My brother in law's son for another reference point is 6'5" and owns one. No complaints. He bought the 2023 Premium for about $32K. We did own a 2004 Honda Odyssey mainly to haul around our 3 kids and never had an issue with the transmission. They were problematic though. Not sure if that issue has been fixed. My current Accord does not have push botton shifting, which is a plus. |
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Post by Zombie on Sept 28, 2023 12:15:36 GMT -5
Years ago I had a Subaru Outback. We lived in Mammoth Lakes (CA). My house was at 7,500’ so we got A LOT of snow. Loved that car. Big enough for our needs and the AWD was fantastic. Only had it a couple of years but never had any issues with it.
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Post by SteveH on Sept 28, 2023 13:01:34 GMT -5
I rent a lot of vehicles for vacations and excursions. When it comes to SUVs, we have recently rented a Yukon Denali, Ford Expedition XL and a Chevy Suburban. We have driven each of these vehicles for at least ten days totaling 1500+ miles, and we have conclude that we liked the Ford Expedition XL the best. These vehicles are pricey brand new, but if you can find a certified pre-owned ('used' is a term long gone) at a reasonable price, that is the way to go. I have been a GM/Chevy person my entire life. Had a 1981 Camaro (sold it at 370,000miles), a 1982 Z28 (total piece of sh**), 1985 Buick Regal, a 1967 396SS Chevelle, Muncie 4 speed (bad ass car), a 1972 402 BBC/Turbo 400 Monte Carlo (bad ass car) The Chevelle and Monte Carlo were animals at the drag strip and I raced both of those street legal cars for years (on the street and on the track, haha). That being said, the Ford Expedition XL would be my choice at 62 years old. SS396 from '67? Came as 325 or maybe 350hp. A WELL TUNED and driven 327 / which could be had from 275 hp to something wacky....maybe 360 or 380 with Rochester Fuel Injection could beat it. I watched it happen. Neighbor had JUST what you mention, and in that wonderful Crystal Blue......and I think 'wide oval' firestones? 327 had him by about 1/2 a length in a 3 out of 3 death match. My absolute FAVE engine of the era? Dodge 340 with tripower. THIS was one heck of a 'sleeper' and in a small body like the Dart was very fast indeed...... But for the overachiever? YENKO put ANY engine in ANY car....so a 450hp(425) Camaro 427 (L72?) was not out of the question....... Give me THAT engine in a '68 SS427 Impala Convertible with that 4 speed Muncie..... My 67SS 396 was the 375hp version, it had rectangular port heads and it was fast. Nothing beats the Yenko!! I am too old now, but one of my bucket list items is to have me a 70 SS Chevelle 454 with a 6-71 blower sticking through the hood. I will always choose an automatic transmission over a manual transmission. That 72 Monte Carlo had a Turbo 400 with a shift kit and with the pedal to the metal, that transmission shifted at 5500 rpm every time, barked the tires, and it never missed a shift. Thank you leonski, I have a boner now 😂😂😂 |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 28, 2023 13:36:26 GMT -5
I just bought a Honda Accord Hybrid EX-L. Have had it for about a month and a half and loving it so far. Fantastic gas mileage and moves when it needs to. It's comfortable and well built... We also have a 2019 Honda Accord LX Hybrid. I have trouble getting in and out, but once seated, I have adequate room. We get from 40 to 60 mpg, and the CVT is MUCH more predictable than the tranny in the Odyssey. We have only 6,500 miles on the car (COVID shut down many of my clients and then I retired), but absolutely no troubles. The only cloud on the horizon is the Li-Ion battery, which I understand lasts no more than about 10 years (at best). The car will still run, but the fuel economy drops off radically because the car has less and less battery assist as the battery dies. I'll just keep an eye on the fuel economy, and if it drops significantly, it'll be time to sell the car. Online estimates range from $2,000 to $8,000 for a replacement battery itself PLUS the labor to do the removal and installation. Online pundits also warn that high temperatures significantly reduce battery life, and I'm in Louisiana... Yes, I like the fuel economy of the hybrid, but I'm not convinced that it saves any money after the more-frequent auto replacement costs are factored in. I guess it depends on how much you can sell the used Accord Hybrid for - last time I checked, the resale value was more than what I'd paid new. My final thought on the Accord Hybrid is this - I'm having some trouble getting in and out of the car now (I'm 70 and not as flexible as I used to be). How much trouble will egress be once I'm 75 or 80? |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 28, 2023 14:42:43 GMT -5
Power Amplifiers -
Since the amp-speaker interface is so critical, I'm thinking I might get three or four amps to try with whatever speakers I'll use.
I don't want super high power - I don't listen loudly. But I want the three or four amps to interact very differently with the speakers so that I can compare and contrast easily.
If you had to live with four and only four amplifiers, what would you choose and why?
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Post by leonski on Sept 28, 2023 14:48:39 GMT -5
Contemplation of a new car: What I'd LIKE to buy is a 2023 Lincoln Town Car. But they quit making them in 2011, and I'm not about to buy a used car that old. Obviously, I'm a big guy and want a BIG car or SUV (easy to get in and out of), but I have additional requirements: 1. NO turbocharged or supercharged engines - Why? In a word, heat. When the ambient temperature is 110 in the shade, the wimpy cooling systems they put on turbo/super chargers don't last but between 5 & 10 years (say not one but multiple mechanics I've polled). 2. NO black interiors - Why? Same reason - Heat buildup becomes unbearable with dark interiors. 3. NO Dodge, Chrysler, or Fiat vehicles - Why? The local police have used every model of Chrysler & Dodge and have reported that the cooling systems are universally undersized and that their engines burn up within five years. 4. NO vehicles costing more than $70K - Why? Wife would stroke out. Suggestions? Suggest taking a look at Consumer Reports. I would take a look at various manufacturers including Toyota,Honda,Subaru, and Mazda. I'm partial to Honda because I have had great luck over the years with their vehicles. I have not had good luck with American vehicles, but I know they are much better than they used to be. If you don't have a subscription to CR, let me know which cars you are interested in and I will look up what they say. Edit: I have a good friend who is big...6'2" with a linebacker's body. He loves his Subaru Forester and says there is plenty of room for him. He also owns a Ford F-150, but drives the Subaru more because of the gas mileage advantage. My FORD F-150? Oil Leak. Cracked glass! Underside rattle (exhaust system poorly fit) Head Gasket. MORE.....Under Warranty. Even poor quality leather used in the seats / interior. My FORD Taurus? Use 1qt of oil in <1000 miles. Expensive to fix.....Bulbs? Switchgear? POOR dealer experience? I fixed some of it myself, like cabin filter change after THEY spilled oil and the smoke polluted the filter and THEY wanted to sell me AirCon Flush! My FORD Ranger? Constant battle to keep fixed. Leaks? Broken..... I won't go into details but I SOLD it at about 100,000 miles after putting on 4-new shocks. I had replaced the heater core, head gasket and MORE. Rear Antilock brakes? My '84 Honda Accord? In over 200,000 miles? Thermostat. Normal maint. Fuel Pump (by Left Rear wheel well.....EASY) It was sold with the original clutch and exhaust system. Even the wife's Hyundai while terrible, at least never had big problems not 'normal maintenance'..... I've never owned another American car and won't. We've had many other cars in the last near 3-decades. Honda and Toyota were best. Her Mazda 6 Sedan had in the 90's when we sold it and the new CX-5 I suspect is even better..... |
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Post by leonski on Sept 28, 2023 14:56:16 GMT -5
Power Amplifiers - Since the amp-speaker interface is so critical, I'm thinking I might get three or four amps to try with whatever speakers I'll use. I don't want super high power - I don't listen loudly. But I want the three or four amps to interact very differently with the speakers so that I can compare and contrast easily. If you had to live with four and only four amplifiers, what would you choose and why? Just for TEST? Well, it really depends on WHAT speakers. Lower sensitivity box or something more......Old School, like Klipsch? (from the Heritage line) Me? It'd test the the Forte IV with the VTA M125 monoblocks....Buy the KIT and take a couple weeks on the bench. Wife will appreciate your use of the DINING ROOM TABLE as a workbench. If appropriate for the speaker? Some kind of TUBE amp. Maybe an EL34 or KT88 type..... For the 3 others? Something from the Pass line in the right power. Purfi or Devialet, maybe, to cover your 'D' base? And to cover the 'conventional' end? Maybe my favorite /bang-buck? Parasound.....The newer A23+ has plenty of 'ooomph' for nearly any reasonable system while if you really Need more? the A21+ has your back..... I'd avoid some 'names'.....Like NAD. Many others out there......Spread your darts out, considering the speaker..... |
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Post by SteveH on Sept 28, 2023 16:01:26 GMT -5
Power Amplifiers - Since the amp-speaker interface is so critical, I'm thinking I might get three or four amps to try with whatever speakers I'll use. I don't want super high power - I don't listen loudly. But I want the three or four amps to interact very differently with the speakers so that I can compare and contrast easily. If you had to live with four and only four amplifiers, what would you choose and why? I have a retired Carver AV-64 (four channel amp, three channels if you bridge the two bridgeable channels) and a retired TFM-45 stereo amplifier (also bridgeable mono). I will let them go cheap because you are an enthusiast, haha. PM me if you are interested. These units are 30 years old and they were 100% operational when I took them out of service in 2019, I only retired them because I purchased all new Emotiva gear. I have a guru technician friend that can bench check them prior to delivery. My electronics guru www.youtube.com/@raygianelli3612 |
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Post by audiobill on Sept 28, 2023 17:19:52 GMT -5
My wife LOVES her 2022 Subaru Outback Touring XT. Comfort, roomy, reliability, resale value.
Oil changes are $59.95 compared to $410 on my Porsches.
At least take one out on a test drive.
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Post by leonski on Sept 28, 2023 18:40:55 GMT -5
Power Amplifiers - Since the amp-speaker interface is so critical, I'm thinking I might get three or four amps to try with whatever speakers I'll use. I don't want super high power - I don't listen loudly. But I want the three or four amps to interact very differently with the speakers so that I can compare and contrast easily. If you had to live with four and only four amplifiers, what would you choose and why? I have a retired Carver AV-64 (four channel amp, three channels if you bridge the two bridgeable channels) and a retired TFM-45 stereo amplifier (also bridgeable mono). I will let them go cheap because you are an enthusiast, haha. PM me if you are interested. These units are 30 years old and they were 100% operational when I took them out of service in 2019, I only retired them because I purchased all new Emotiva gear. I have a guru technician friend that can bench check them prior to delivery. My electronics guru www.youtube.com/@raygianelli3612If I add ANYTHING more to my 'collection', the NEXT piece to be collected will be my HEAD which will be secured to a plaque on the Wall above the fireplace...... My wife once told me she 'missed me'......I KNOW this is true because I heard the bullet whiz by my EAR...... 35+ years is TOO LONG...... |
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Post by leonski on Sept 28, 2023 18:57:26 GMT -5
TOO BOOM! I recently recommended spending a LOT of coin on a high-end Lexus LC500. In doing a rethink? Less might be more....... Spend maybe 50 or so on a Mazda CX-90. this beast rings ALL the bells. And adds a few whistles. Inline 6 of 3.3 with who knows what else......There are 8 levels......but you don't need to go full-tilt to get an amazing ride. www.caranddriver.com/mazda/cx-90Hybrid available, too..... If the wife wanted a 'trophy' vehicle? Cash left over from your 70k max? Spend a month on a cruise ship. See the antarctic. Or the Med. Or my choice...northern Europe with Norway and as far north as the ship will go......TOO many choices to make sense of it. I'd also stop in the Shetland Islands for a couple days. Lerwick is aspirational for me.....as are many of the pre-celtic constructs. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 28, 2023 20:41:06 GMT -5
My wife’s attitude toward cruises can be summed up in one word: Norovirus
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