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Post by ribd11 on Mar 2, 2014 9:25:04 GMT -5
Hey everyone..
I'm extremely pleased with my xpa1's but I'm looking for a little more detail and air in the upper freq range. Would the xpr2 do this....?
Thanks for any input.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 9:42:31 GMT -5
Hey everyone.. I'm extremely pleased with my xpa1's but I'm looking for a little more detail and air in the upper freq range. Would the xpr2 do this....? Thanks for any input. I found better resolution (warmer, more details, etc) in the upper end moving from the XPA-1s to the XPR-1s. While I have not compared the XPR-2 directly, I would suspect you will find the same improvement in the XPR-2. Hope this helps. best of luck! |
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Post by ribd11 on Mar 2, 2014 9:55:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply...I was afraid of that. I have an XPR2 sitting in my shopping kart on the emo-site just hesitant to push the pay button! This audio addiction is such a love, hate relationship!
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Post by boomzilla on Mar 2, 2014 10:19:02 GMT -5
Hi ribd11 -
I can't speak to the XPA-1's, having never owned or heard them, but I have had both the XPA-2 and the XPR-2, the latter my current amplifier.
The XPA-2, to my ears, had more dynamics than the XPR-2. The XPR-2 is a smoother, more refined sound. As to more treble detail, I thought the two amps equivalent.
Those who have owned the XPA-1s have typically said that they thought them a step up from the XPA-2, but this is hearsay, since I've never done the comparison myself. If your speakers are highly dynamic, then the XPR-2 would be a good fit. If your speakers are laid-back, dynamically, then I'd think that your XPA-1 pair would probably be a better match.
As to the XPR-1s vs. the XPA-1s, I have absolutely no idea, having never heard either.
In the list of XPR-2 virtues are:
better parts quality
one amp vs. two mono blocks
limitless power
refined presentation
In the list of XPR-2 negatives are:
The amp weighs a hundred pounds - you won't be moving it by yourself
The amp runs hotter than any amp I've owned except for tube amps
The amp requires a 20-amp circuit (or a 20-amp adapter)
refined presentation
That "refined presentation" may be a blessing or a curse, depending on your speakers...
Cheers - Boomzilla
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Post by garbulky on Mar 2, 2014 11:29:00 GMT -5
I think the source is more important than the amp for detail and treble.
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Post by ribd11 on Mar 2, 2014 11:57:43 GMT -5
I agree...But I've tried multiple combos and it comes down to the amps at this point as they are the only part that have remained constant.
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Post by ribd11 on Mar 2, 2014 11:58:52 GMT -5
I'm back to using an xda1 and an erc1...
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Post by garbulky on Mar 2, 2014 17:35:03 GMT -5
I'm back to using an xda1 and an erc1... I have the XDA-1 as well as used other Emo DACs. My subjective impressions are that The DC-1 significantly beats the XDA-1 in terms of audio quality. In my setup the DC-1 connected direct to the UPA-2 sounded better than XDA-1 to UPA-2 XDA-1 to XPA-2 XDA-1 to USP-1 to XPA-2 (and UPA-2) This is not saying that the USP-1 and XPA-2 did not have improvements in sound. But simply that in terms of the amount of improvement - the DC-1 would be my number 1 choice for an upgrade over the amps. Your findings may differ.  |
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Post by ribd11 on Mar 2, 2014 18:11:53 GMT -5
I was contemplating the dc1.. can you expand on how it sounded better...?
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Post by audiobill on Mar 2, 2014 18:16:18 GMT -5
Please see the 65 page thread on the DC1!
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Post by garbulky on Mar 2, 2014 18:26:11 GMT -5
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Post by stiehl11 on Mar 2, 2014 18:38:31 GMT -5
I'm back to using an xda1 and an erc1... I know that taking my ERC-1 through my XDA-2 made a noticeable improvement to the high frequency definition of my CDs. I can't say that it made it more "airy" but definitely more detail. If you need more detail than that I would recommend either a DC-1 or an ERC-3 as both are said to be more resolving. Now, I can be all wet about this, but the upper frequencies have not been the most dissimilar of the Emotiva amps that I've listened to. That said, if you've tried the DC-1 and ERC-3 (as you said you've tried all the combos) and you still don't have the definition that you want, you might be up against the limitations of your speakers or your room. What speakers are you using? Are you running direct with no trims/EQs/room correction? And, describe your room (space/volume, material, room treatments). This might be helpful to us in helping you in your problem. |
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Post by boomzilla on Mar 3, 2014 4:20:30 GMT -5
...I'm looking for a little more detail and air in the upper freq range... You've just said "Stealth DC-1 DAC!" No question about it. I, personally, didn't like the DC-1, and thought it a bit bright, but the vast majority of users find that my "bright" is definitely their "a little more detain and air in the upper frequency range." Therefore, I agree with Garbulky completely - Don't change your amp - change your DAC! If the DAC doesn't do what you want, then return it & go for different amps. The DAC, however, will make a bigger difference than the amps. Boomzilla |
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Post by bolle on Mar 3, 2014 4:22:13 GMT -5
What speakers are you using? Perhaps the money would be spent better there - just a thought...
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Post by ribd11 on Mar 3, 2014 13:47:13 GMT -5
I'm using Legacy Focus 20/20's... I did move into a new home but the area is larger and the walls have less damping. The sitting distance and speaker placement have stayed the same. I did have different electronics.... that's why I swapped out sources first....
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Post by stiehl11 on Mar 3, 2014 13:54:42 GMT -5
I'm using Legacy Focus 20/20's... I did move into a new home but the area is larger and the walls have less damping. The sitting distance and speaker placement have stayed the same. I did have different electronics.... that's why I swapped out sources first.... What sources/electronics have you tried and in what order/setup? |
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Post by ribd11 on Mar 3, 2014 14:32:42 GMT -5
I actually repurchased the Krell preamp and Cambridge 840c player which I was using in the old house and no go...figured it is the amps at this point.... maybe I'm crazy..
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Post by garbulky on Mar 3, 2014 14:34:53 GMT -5
I'm using Legacy Focus 20/20's... I did move into a new home but the area is larger and the walls have less damping. The sitting distance and speaker placement have stayed the same. I did have different electronics.... that's why I swapped out sources first.... Since you are using an XDA-1 with some fine legacy speakers. I think your top priority is definitely get a DC-1 (or better DAC). Your XPA-1's are fine. You may also want to invest in room treatments like this www.atsacoustics.com/item--ATS-Acoustic-Panel-24-x-48-x-2--1001.htmlIf you don't have enough bass in your larger riin then you may need to invest in a subwoofer like two of these : www.powersoundaudio.com/products/xv15The XPR-2 pretty much has the same power as the XPA-1 monoblocks. |
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Post by ribd11 on Mar 3, 2014 14:55:42 GMT -5
Bass is no trouble at all, was just hoping to get the fine detail in the upper end back. I think I'm going to try the DC-1 and see what happens....appreciate the input...
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Post by ribd11 on Mar 3, 2014 16:36:14 GMT -5
Although the two amps are close in power I think the xpr2 has higher quality internalls which would give better sound quality?
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