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Post by ricky7882 on Mar 22, 2014 11:03:21 GMT -5
Thanks for everyone's help so far. I will get more info as time permits. The XPA-5 was purchased brand new by myself. Only connected once, never moved. I believe the rca interconnects are monster brand. The Paradigms are bi wired #12 guage from Monoprice. My point about turning it to 70 is that below that there is volume, just that at 40, it just sounds flat. As I said earlier I will wright down the settings on the Onkyo as they are now, and post them for discussion.
Thanks everyone.
Rick
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Post by bootman on Mar 22, 2014 11:06:30 GMT -5
Thanks for everyone's help so far. I will get more info as time permits. The XPA-5 was purchased brand new by myself. Only connected once, never moved. I believe the rca interconnects are monster brand. The Paradigms are bi wired #12 guage from Monoprice. My point about turning it to 70 is that below that there is volume, just that at 40, it just sounds flat. As I said earlier I will wright down the settings on the Onkyo as they are now, and post them for discussion. Thanks everyone. Rick Did you rerun Audyssey after adding the amp? if not, do it. ...and even if you did, I would do it again from scratch. |
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Post by solidstate on Mar 22, 2014 13:38:40 GMT -5
Thanks for everyone's help so far. I will get more info as time permits. The XPA-5 was purchased brand new by myself. Only connected once, never moved. I believe the rca interconnects are monster brand. The Paradigms are bi wired #12 guage from Monoprice. My point about turning it to 70 is that below that there is volume, just that at 40, it just sounds flat. As I said earlier I will wright down the settings on the Onkyo as they are now, and post them for discussion. Thanks everyone. Rick Hey Rick! What a great bunch of guys trying to help ya eh! Anyway... I would perform a master/factory reset on the AVR and start from scratch in terms of settings. www.eu.onkyo.com/faq/index.php?action=artikel&cat=4&id=436&artlang=en |
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Post by bub on Mar 22, 2014 14:26:01 GMT -5
It might have something to do with expectations Rick... I have Polk Rtia9's and a Onkyo 818..everything new.. First set up I had in years.. I expected to get blown away.. Nope didn't happen.. It was ok. But not over the top like I had been expecting..So I went looking for a power amp and found the PA-7 .. 350 watts a channel... This had to be the answer.. Set it up. There I was waiting to get blown away. Nope. Again expectations. Virtually no sound under 30.. So I tried 40. Then 50. And 60.. Telling myself there has to be something wrong. By the time I got to 70 by single digit increments my little one came running into the house..Wanted to know what was wrong. She could hear it all the way down the block..I'm not sure what I was expecting...but today rarely do I ever go over 50.. I just wanted loud noise.. Now I listen to music..Not sure any of this is going to help you. Just how things unwound for me..Good luck.
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Post by solidstate on Mar 22, 2014 14:28:04 GMT -5
Sounds to me like you guys need speakers with high sensitivity to get the sound you're after. These DIY speakers have sensitivity as high as 98 dB and are worth a look if I'm perceiving the sonic quality you seem to be after. diysoundgroup.com/When consumers hear a high sensitivity PA like speaker similar to those DIY Sound Group SEOS waveguides they generally say... WOW! I have seen people spend thousands and thousands of dollars to try and get that high sensitivity dynamic sound by trying to replace everything in their rigs less the speakers when the entire time it was their loudspeakers that was the problem. A lot of these guys with $$$ and their own man cave end up with something like the Danley Labs products and never look back. Well those DIY SEOS waveguides will do similar things for those of us not living in McMansions with huge theater rooms. The only issue with those speakers is the WAF! |
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Post by bub on Mar 22, 2014 17:51:25 GMT -5
Thanks solidstate...I'm actually ok with the Polks for HT since my expectations came back to earth..They play plenty loud.. I was going to travel that route with sensitivity.. Tekton Lores at 98 db ..Delivery according to website is 2 business days for standard finishes across the model line....I ended picking up those Selah Audio Prestigio's that have been floating around on the Forum for a couple of years..Hopefully by the end of the night I'll be up and running..Which raises another question.. I think these are rated at 88 or 89 @4 ohm...Just from a technical standpoint..
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Post by solidstate on Mar 22, 2014 18:00:46 GMT -5
Thanks solidstate...I'm actually ok with the Polks for HT since my expectations came back to earth..They play plenty loud.. I was going to travel that route with sensitivity.. Tekton Lores at 98 db ..Delivery according to website is 2 business days for standard finishes across the model line....I ended picking up those Selah Audio Prestigio's that have been floating around on the Forum for a couple of years..Hopefully by the end of the night I'll be up and running..Which raises another question.. I think these are rated at 88 or 89 @4 ohm...Just from a technical standpoint.. Though I've never owned Selah Audio speakers, I can't think of another custom DIY ID company I'd order from less perhaps Salk and Vapor Sound. I don't know who the cab builder is for Vapor Sound but man... I honestly don't think I've seen better finished speakers from any other DIY founded ID company. I guess you'd put a killer finish on it considering all that cab vert laminate work! Those cabs are comprised of a stack of vert lam! That's a hell of a lot of effort considering you can just use bamboo plywood though! I guess you couldn't have acoustically curved cabs then though... I wonder if you could get a company like Plyboo to actually fabricate cabinets like Vapor does using bamboo. Bamboo plywood is arguably the best practical loudspeaker cabinet material available. |
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Post by bub on Mar 22, 2014 18:31:03 GMT -5
I looked at Salk also.. New.. They are using Bamboo now in a couple of different ways.. The finish on these Selah's are nice but I think they are stock veneers.. It was recommended that I should look at something with the Seas mid's ( Thank you Garbulky ).. After some research it looks like these have the RAAL 70-20xr tweeter also.. I read something by Sandy Gross recently that the perfect Box would be solid aluminum....For the past 35 years I've been a distributor for a half dozen high end cutting tool companies and just sold my part of an aerospace machine shop..So making the box from billet is the easy part..After that I'm lost..But it's a thought..
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Post by solidstate on Mar 22, 2014 18:43:54 GMT -5
I looked at Salk also.. New.. They are using Bamboo now in a couple of different ways.. The finish on these Selah's are nice but I think they are stock veneers.. It was recommended that I should look at something with the Seas mid's ( Thank you Garbulky ).. After some research it looks like these have the RAAL 70-20xr tweeter also.. I read something by Sandy Gross recently that the perfect Box would be solid aluminum....For the past 35 years I've been a distributor for a half dozen high end cutting tool companies and just sold my part of an aerospace machine shop..So making the box from billet is the easy part..After that I'm lost..But it's a thought.. IMHO concrete is the best. I have spent a lot of time doing research on concrete technology with a focus of using it as cabinet material. There are some very interesting light weight foaming cement products that could be used as cabinet material or in a sandwich configuration. I recently looked at a very expensive highend aluminum cab'd floorstanding loudspeaker at the five digit level though I can't remember the model/make for the life of me... My god I just thought about how obsessed I am with this stuff... I really need to score a job working in this industry! I'd push a broom around the warehouse like EJ did for Nelson to get my foot in the door! HINT HINT flies on the wall... |
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Post by Keith M on Mar 22, 2014 18:52:15 GMT -5
Does the receiver have a mode that bypasses all the DSPs, equalizers, etc.? It will probably be called Direct or Stereo Direct or something like that. Try that out if you can, it'll give you a quick idea if you have something set up wrong in the receiver. Also, the number 70 without any context is useless. My volume goes from either -80.5dB - 18.0dB or 0.0 - 99.00. I use the first setting, relative, and it is at -20 right now and producing good volume, not loud, but definitely not quiet. That would be roughly 60 in absolute, if I were to go up another 10, that would be loud, but not enough to hear outside. Of course this all varies with the source, as different albums are encoded at various volume levels.
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Post by solidstate on Mar 22, 2014 18:57:23 GMT -5
I believe the rca interconnects are monster brand. The Paradigms are bi wired #12 guage from Monoprice. OK Stop biwiring... It's B*****T and can in some cases actually hurt your system's performance. OK That moster RCA cable using two conductors with shield only the shield is grounded at one RCA... Do you have the cables set in the right direction? They are directional... Uh BTW those are sh** line level hookups right... Use a quality coax for that type of linelevel hookup. www.gothamaudiousa.com/assemblies/GAC-1_SPDIF-Pro_digitalaudio.htmYou can get those for $30 a pop or you can hit redco.com and get them to make an assembly using a cheaper RCA for half the Gotham USA price. Redco will terminate with the same Taversoe/Canare RCAs that Bluejeans uses and the assemblies will be a better coax and half the price. You could also use the Bluejeans Belden coax though I feel it's not entirely "transparent" and it seems to over accentuate the lows and perhaps does something to the transient highs. This is very subtle though and I'm sure you'd be happy with the Bluejeans single ended coax vs. those horrible monster cables you're using! PS when you remove the biwiring b******t, don't use that stupid plate to bridge the four terminals, use a short chunk of speaker wire! |
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Post by bub on Mar 22, 2014 19:05:25 GMT -5
I have no expertise in masonry..And pretty much everything else. I'm good at what I do..Not so much with everything else.. Just recently i ALMOST had a bike towed because i ran out of gas and forgot i was running a carb with reserve ... I could do any size box for cost of material..I have seen a few plate applications.. I was thinking billet. Maybe start with a small monitor..My shop had contracts with Sikorky and the Army. We were one of the few on the east coast that could do 78 inch helicopter dashboards..We were on the news with state politicians because of our contracts.. They basically were slapping themselves on their backs while we did the heavy lifting..But I digress. Once I finish the box. I'm done..But it's still a thought..
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Post by solidstate on Mar 22, 2014 19:08:08 GMT -5
I have no expertise in masonry..And pretty much everything else. I'm good at what I do..Not so much with everything else.. Just recently i ALMOST had a bike towed because i ran out of gas and forgot i was running a carb with reserve ... I could do any size box for cost of material..I have seen a few plate applications.. I was thinking billet. Maybe start with a small monitor..My shop had contracts with Sikorky and the Army. We were one of the few on the east coast that could do 78 inch helicopter dashboards..We were on the news with state politicians because of our contracts.. They basically were slapping themselves on their backs while we did the heavy lifting..But I digress. Once I finish the box. I'm done..But it's still a thought.. You'll enjoy this recent video I was watching from a HDbaseT outfit in England! Looks like they have all brand new production gear! GOD I'd love to work with stuff like that! I GOT TO GET OFF OF THIS ISLAND! PS those HDbaseT matrix switches look AWESOME! PSS I love how the laser etcher was programmed finish dotting the i's last in "Britain"!  |
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Post by solidstate on Mar 22, 2014 19:10:01 GMT -5
I know there is an HDMI/HDbaseT matrix switch manufacturer in Tennessee near Emotiva but I can't find the outfit!
Perhaps someone at Emotiva is willing to pipe up and tell me the name of the outfit as they might know them...
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Post by solidstate on Mar 22, 2014 19:21:39 GMT -5
BTW those matrix switchers need digital audio inserting (discrete audio matrix) and end point digital amplifiers at the TV end of the HDbaseT link!!!
This would be a godsend for bars etc in a pro integrator environment...
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Post by hemster on Mar 22, 2014 19:34:25 GMT -5
I have no expertise in masonry..And pretty much everything else. I'm good at what I do..Not so much with everything else.. Just recently i ALMOST had a bike towed because i ran out of gas and forgot i was running a carb with reserve ... I could do any size box for cost of material..I have seen a few plate applications.. I was thinking billet. Maybe start with a small monitor..My shop had contracts with Sikorky and the Army. We were one of the few on the east coast that could do 78 inch helicopter dashboards..We were on the news with state politicians because of our contracts.. They basically were slapping themselves on their backs while we did the heavy lifting..But I digress. Once I finish the box. I'm done..But it's still a thought.. You'll enjoy this recent video I was watching from a HDbaseT outfit in England! Looks like they have all brand new production gear! GOD I'd love to work with stuff like that! I GOT TO GET OFF OF THIS ISLAND! PS those HDbaseT matrix switches look AWESOME! PSS I love how the laser etcher was programmed finish dotting the i's last in "Britain"! : Please DO NOT shout (i.e. post in capital letters). Thank you. You have a habit of doing that, stop it. |
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Post by bub on Mar 22, 2014 20:01:12 GMT -5
Great video.. We were doing so much aluminum we had to get a compactor for the chips..It was the size of the CNC vertical milling center like in the video..Our horizontal
CNC milling centers were so big you had to be 5 feet in the air to program them and they could fill up a 55 gallon drum with chip in 15 minutes..And we had 5 of them.
We did 80% aluminum and probably somewhere around 20% in titanium..All together about 40 milling and turning centers..Ketera software programs for the Army
contracts..All point to point close tolerances...000050 electronic mica. And on and on..It was a trip to stand there and watch a machine spin at 20g rpm and shoot chips all
over the place.. So clean you could eat off the floor.. ( ever wonder where these sayings come from ?) I've thought of buying a kit and making my own box..
I had a unique position. Part owner and tool supplier for us and many of our competitors ..
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Post by solidstate on Mar 22, 2014 21:37:20 GMT -5
Great video.. We were doing so much aluminum we had to get a compactor for the chips..It was the size of the CNC vertical milling center like in the video..Our horizontal CNC milling centers were so big you had to be 5 feet in the air to program them and they could fill up a 55 gallon drum with chip in 15 minutes..And we had 5 of them. We did 80% aluminum and probably somewhere around 20% in titanium..All together about 40 milling and turning centers..Ketera software programs for the Army contracts..All point to point close tolerances...000050 electronic mica. And on and on..It was a trip to stand there and watch a machine spin at 20g rpm and shoot chips all over the place.. So clean you could eat off the floor.. ( ever wonder where these sayings come from ?) I've thought of buying a kit and making my own box.. I had a unique position. Part owner and tool supplier for us and many of our competitors .. Very interesting stuff... Mica though? What were you manufacturing? Sounds like aerospace to me. Perhaps some kinda phased array antenna assembly?  Or perhaps something like LRAD/ADS? Sounds like some kinda panel antenna used in a system like ADS or an AESA radar. How about some kinda power backplane for AESA TRM modules? |
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Post by creimes on Mar 22, 2014 22:27:54 GMT -5
You'll enjoy this recent video I was watching from a HDbaseT outfit in England! Looks like they have all brand new production gear! GOD I'd love to work with stuff like that! I GOT TO GET OFF OF THIS ISLAND! PS those HDbaseT matrix switches look AWESOME! PSS I love how the laser etcher was programmed finish dotting the i's last in "Britain"! : Please DO NOT shout (i.e. post in capital letters). Thank you. You have a habit of doing that, stop it. Really...HAHAHAHA |
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Post by bub on Mar 23, 2014 0:44:27 GMT -5
Great video.. We were doing so much aluminum we had to get a compactor for the chips..It was the size of the CNC vertical milling center like in the video..Our horizontal CNC milling centers were so big you had to be 5 feet in the air to program them and they could fill up a 55 gallon drum with chip in 15 minutes..And we had 5 of them. We did 80% aluminum and probably somewhere around 20% in titanium..All together about 40 milling and turning centers..Ketera software programs for the Army contracts..All point to point close tolerances...000050 electronic mica. And on and on..It was a trip to stand there and watch a machine spin at 20g rpm and shoot chips all over the place.. So clean you could eat off the floor.. ( ever wonder where these sayings come from ?) I've thought of buying a kit and making my own box.. I had a unique position. Part owner and tool supplier for us and many of our competitors .. Very interesting stuff... Mica though? What were you manufacturing? Sounds like aerospace to me. Perhaps some kinda phased array antenna assembly? Or perhaps something like LRAD/ADS? Sounds like some kinda panel antenna used in a system like ADS or an AESA radar. How about some kinda power backplane for AESA TRM modules? I meant to say micrometer.... Yes exclusively aerospace.. Sikorsky and Boeing.. Blackhawk Helicopters.. all models. Uh-60 etc. ... Was involved with some of the build out of the stealth Blackhawk..and S-97 Raider which is an interesting story and the Comanche before it was canceled. Would prefer if you looked it up.. Every aspect of the build and assembly ..From landing gear to flight controls..We had signed 5 year contracts a couple of years back and were working on the 8 and 9 year deals....Ive been doing this for 35 years straight , with the exception of an all expense paid 24 month holiday compliments of the State of New York , this coming Aug.. I signed the papers to the my 5 year buy out in Jan..
I still run the tool supply part of it located in New Jersey with me living in Florida. With the many portals available today I don't have to leave the pool.. Life is beautiful.. Now if I could just get up to speed on this sound thing.. What connects to what , why and how ?? lol I'll keep reading..
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