edrummereasye
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Post by edrummereasye on May 12, 2014 13:34:42 GMT -5
Now that the ski season is over I seem to have time to work on things that I've been putting off, like making that Emotiva processor comparison table I've always wanted! First, great chart, and thanks for creating it! Second, pretty sure I recall from another recent thread in here that the UMC-200 includes PLIIx, but NOT PLIIz...not at home right now to verify on an actual 200... Also, maybe it's just me, but I feel like the column order should be UMC-1, UMC-200, PT-7030, XMC-1...basically, semi-chronological order (I think the 7030 pre-dates the 200, but didn't become widespread on this forum until after the 200)...this ordering would also present the amps in "pairs", with the UMC-1 and its logical successor, the 200, and the PT-7030 and XMC-1, which I think are more alike in many regards. Finally, I certainly hope that the XMC-1's Input Setup mirrors that of the UMC-1, rather than the UMC-200...the UMC-1 is completely flexible with regard to pairing inputs with outputs, using an audio or video input in multiple configurations, etc - and that's how it should be!!! =D |
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Post by sahmen on May 12, 2014 14:00:23 GMT -5
2 Dumb questions:
1. The manual of the Pt 7030 indicates that the unit supports up to two powered subwoofers, so why is it listed here as a 7.1 capable machine as opposed to 7.2? (Maybe there is a technicality I am overlooking)
2. Is it knowable, at present, if the presence of the XMC-1 (according to its present known specs) would render a DAC such as the DC-1, and a pre-amp such as the XSP-1 unnecessary within the same chain of components? Please grant me a little indulgence here, because some purchasing decisions I am pondering hang on the answer to this question...
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Post by Bonzo on May 12, 2014 14:13:41 GMT -5
Nice chart! One other thing to add in would be how many directly selectable & configurable inputs are there. The UMC-1 has several (16 if memory serves me correct...or is that 12?). The UMC-200 only has 5 or 6. This can make setup with a universal remote a bit more challenging if one has a lot of sources. I find the UMC-1 far better in this regard. The XMC...we don't know, but I heard it may be 14 (I hope it does!) Mark This has basically been my biggest question on the XMC-1 from the beginning, and it makes a huge difference to me. Glad you asked for it to be added Mark. Thanks. Oh, and this is a great chart by the way. Thanks AudioHTIT. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 12, 2014 14:14:08 GMT -5
2 Dumb questions: 1. The manual of the Pt 7030 indicates that the unit supports up to two powered subwoofers, so why is it listed here as a 7.1 capable machine as opposed to 7.2? (Maybe there is a technicality I am overlooking) 2. Is it knowable, at present, if the presence of the XMC-1 (according to its present known specs) would render a DAC such as the DC-1, and a pre-amp such as the XSP-1 unnecessary within the same chain of components? Please grant me a little indulgence here, because some purchasing decisions I am pondering hang on the answer to this question... Not dumb, good questions. 1) The 7030 is 7.1 because there is only 1 sub channel — even though multiple subs can be hooked up they both get the same signal. There are two differences in the XMC-1 — first each subwoofer can be EQ'd separately, second if you were playing a stereo music source the subwoofer information would not be combined into a single channel. Some would argue the second is only a benefit if you have a relatively high crossover frequency, but I think they're both beneficial. For movies there is only a .1 LFE channel so it makes less of a difference. 2) That we can only speculate on, so I'll just say I hope the XMC-1 will be a one stop shop in this regard, but even after we have one to listen to there will be disagreement here. I'd wait to find out. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 12, 2014 14:18:27 GMT -5
Nice chart! One other thing to add in would be how many directly selectable & configurable inputs are there. The UMC-1 has several (16 if memory serves me correct...or is that 12?). The UMC-200 only has 5 or 6. This can make setup with a universal remote a bit more challenging if one has a lot of sources. I find the UMC-1 far better in this regard. The XMC...we don't know, but I heard it may be 14 (I hope it does!) Mark This has basically been my biggest question on the XMC-1 from the beginning, and it makes a huge difference to me. Glad you asked for it to be added Mark. Thanks. Oh, and this is a great chart by the way. Thanks AudioHTIT. Thanks and agreed, this is one of the UMC-1's greatest features, I hope we get plenty of configurable inputs. |
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Post by sahmen on May 12, 2014 14:25:49 GMT -5
2 Dumb questions: 1. The manual of the Pt 7030 indicates that the unit supports up to two powered subwoofers, so why is it listed here as a 7.1 capable machine as opposed to 7.2? (Maybe there is a technicality I am overlooking) 2. Is it knowable, at present, if the presence of the XMC-1 (according to its present known specs) would render a DAC such as the DC-1, and a pre-amp such as the XSP-1 unnecessary within the same chain of components? Please grant me a little indulgence here, because some purchasing decisions I am pondering hang on the answer to this question... Not dumb, good questions. 1) The 7030 is 7.1 because there is only 1 sub channel — even though multiple subs can be hooked up they both get the same signal. There are two differences in the XMC-1 — first each subwoofer can be EQ'd separately, second if you were playing a stereo music source the subwoofer information would not be combined into a single channel. Some would argue the second is only a benefit if you have a relatively high crossover frequency, but I think they're both beneficial. For movies there is only a .1 LFE channel so it makes less of a difference. 2) That we can only speculate on, so I'll just say I hope the XMC-1 will be a one stop shop in this regard, but even after we have one to listen to there will be disagreement here. I'd wait to find out. AudioHTIT : Thanks for the quick and clear responses, and for the great chart. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 12, 2014 14:30:07 GMT -5
Now that the ski season is over I seem to have time to work on things that I've been putting off, like making that Emotiva processor comparison table I've always wanted! First, great chart, and thanks for creating it! Second, pretty sure I recall from another recent thread in here that the UMC-200 includes PLIIx, but NOT PLIIz...not at home right now to verify on an actual 200... Also, maybe it's just me, but I feel like the column order should be UMC-1, UMC-200, PT-7030, XMC-1...basically, semi-chronological order (I think the 7030 pre-dates the 200, but didn't become widespread on this forum until after the 200)...this ordering would also present the amps in "pairs", with the UMC-1 and its logical successor, the 200, and the PT-7030 and XMC-1, which I think are more alike in many regards. Finally, I certainly hope that the XMC-1's Input Setup mirrors that of the UMC-1, rather than the UMC-200...the UMC-1 is completely flexible with regard to pairing inputs with outputs, using an audio or video input in multiple configurations, etc - and that's how it should be!!! =D Thanks. I think you're thinking of Neo:X not being in the UMC-200 (that was mentioned in a recent thread), PLIIz is listed on the product page and I'm pretty sure it's there. As for the order I'm using newest to oldest for Emo products (reverse chronological) as to me we're mostly interested in the XMC-1. I added on the 7030 as requested and it does seem like a good addition, hope you can live with the order. As mentioned above — agree on the UMC-1 setup! |
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Post by Bonzo on May 12, 2014 14:50:15 GMT -5
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 12, 2014 19:12:37 GMT -5
While you are bending over backwards doing everything, can you add my old Denon 3805 receiver to the chart? That way I can compare it to Emotiva products.    No problem Bonzo, I'll get to it right after next ski season.  |
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Post by cwt on May 13, 2014 3:17:10 GMT -5
More updates this weekend and today, fewer blank cells. Found some discrepancies on the 7030, like one review says no Dolby EX, another says yes. I added a couple lines like video processor, still unsure on a couple volume controls and whether the .5 dB is for balance accuracy as well. Think I read that review Bruce ; the pt7030 definitely has dd ex like the others . It also has 2ch analog outs [ the manual refers to a video recorder so that means fixed not variable ] It also has 2ch zone outputs for another 3 zones The osd has 2 components ; the main setup isnt overlay but a separate page ;but there's pop ups for volume ;dsp modes ;resolution analog /digital etc that can cycle through the display button or come up automatically .Theres basic min/middle/max dynamic range control ; this is dolby digital only ; not lpcm or other codecs unfortunately  |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 18, 2014 11:23:44 GMT -5
More updates this weekend and today, fewer blank cells. Found some discrepancies on the 7030, like one review says no Dolby EX, another says yes. I added a couple lines like video processor, still unsure on a couple volume controls and whether the .5 dB is for balance accuracy as well. Think I read that review Bruce ; the pt7030 definitely has dd ex like the others . It also has 2ch analog outs [ the manual refers to a video recorder so that means fixed not variable ] It also has 2ch zone outputs for another 3 zones The osd has 2 components ; the main setup isnt overlay but a separate page ;but there's pop ups for volume ;dsp modes ;resolution analog /digital etc that can cycle through the display button or come up automatically .Theres basic min/middle/max dynamic range control ; this is dolby digital only ; not lpcm or other codecs unfortunately Thanks for the confirmation, I added the EX back and the zones were already listed. This week I updated several cells and removed some question marks, added some new features, and added pictures in the second thread note. I added a power consumption line as the stated 40 Watt max of the XMC-1 (and PT-7030) is significantly less than the 240 Watt consumption of the UMC-1 (which runs quite warm for a processor). This should be helpful for those concerned about lowering their power use, and for those whose equipment fits in a tight space. I'm surprised the PT-7030's power usage is so low when it includes video processing. |
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Post by billm256 on May 18, 2015 15:55:14 GMT -5
Hello,
Very nice table; thanks for the effort and for making it available to the rest of us.
I would really appreciate your spreadsheet so I can tailor to my needs. Would you email it to me? BillM256@verizon.net
Many thanks,
Bill McDonald
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Post by Gary Cook on May 18, 2015 20:35:07 GMT -5
The UMC-200 has a single XLR/Balanced output for the sub woofer.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by toneloc on Sept 24, 2018 9:56:46 GMT -5
With that here's what I have so far (the current version will always be here) ...  Hi Bruce, if you still have the spreadsheet, then would you mind reuploading it to a new host? Thanks! Oh, and apologies for the thread necromancy. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 25, 2018 1:22:35 GMT -5
With that here's what I have so far (the current version will always be here) ... Hi Bruce, if you still have the spreadsheet, then would you mind reuploading it to a new host? Thanks! Oh, and apologies for the thread necromancy. Sorry to say it looks like I overwrote my original spreadsheet when I updated to the new models. I’ve started to update that again and will post it, but it won’t include the older models. I’ll also keep looking for a photo or PDF of the one I posted here. —Bruce |
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Post by cwmcobra on Sept 25, 2018 20:29:10 GMT -5
Bruce,
I can't find a copy of the original .jpg file, but I do have manuals for what are probably all of the legacy preamps & processors, precursors to the XMC-1. I believe they all have features and specs defined. If any of those will help, PM me and I'll get the PDFs to you.
I have them for DMC-1, Fusion 8100, MMC-1, MPS-1, RSP-1, RSP-2, UMC-1, UMC-200, USP-1, XSP-1.
Cheers,
Chuck
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 26, 2018 7:30:04 GMT -5
Bruce, I can't find a copy of the original .jpg file, but I do have manuals for what are probably all of the legacy preamps & processors, precursors to the XMC-1. I believe they all have features and specs defined. If any of those will help, PM me and I'll get the PDFs to you. I have them for DMC-1, Fusion 8100, MMC-1, MPS-1, RSP-1, RSP-2, UMC-1, UMC-200, USP-1, XSP-1. Cheers, Chuck Thanks! I’ll keep looking for the jpeg screenshot of the original for this thread and post it if I find it (if anyone else finds a copy please let me know), but I’m not going to go back to redo older models. I’ve started a new thread for the XMC-1 based models and their offspring, and I’ll do my best to make it accurate. The Emotiva Processor Comparison—2018/19 |
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