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Post by monkumonku on May 16, 2014 13:14:24 GMT -5
If offered at the same price and with reasonably close convenience, hi-rez music would become the new norm. However, when you have to pay extra for something that you can't tell a difference between with your gear (assuming the mainstream listener is not going to have as resolving of a system or ear as most of us) no one will accept it. First step is to offer it at the same price then offer it in the same format (i.e. streaming, disc, download) while still at that same price. When given the choice between a "Chevy" and a "Cadillac" to get groceries most would go for the convenience and price of the "Chevy". Offer them a "Cadillac" for the same price and they'll pick the "Cadillac" most of the time. Yeah but the marketing behind hi-res is all about charging more $$$ (before anyone points out that hi-res is also supposedly better sound, my feeling is that most involved in the business could care less about the better sound aspect, they're doing it for the potential of more profits - or at least they need profits as these are not benevolent folks giving stuff away because they want to serve man) so if they offer hi res at the same price as lower formats, what is in it for them? The potential of getting people hooked on it so that they are willing to spend more later on? Most don't have the gear or listening behaviors to fully appreciate a hi res format anyway. It would have to be psychological, as in wanting to be with the "in crowd." |
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Post by Axis on May 16, 2014 13:23:16 GMT -5
Hi Res to me is anything from 16/44.1 to DSD 128. I am hoping lots of companies join Sony and Neil Young advertising Hi Res. The whole mp3 mess happen because of the small memory capacity of portable players. What is going to get people off mp3 files is portable players with good user interfaces and large memory capacity.
If the industry would give the choice between mp3 and Hi Res files and charge the same or not much more than an mp3 and there player can hold all there music. Bingo !
I see the vote is No here but things will change, they always do.
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Post by Chuck Elliot on May 16, 2014 14:12:18 GMT -5
I think our expectations can be even lower to achieve what we want. See all we need to do is give them a TASTE of what good sound is like. For instance something that has a soundstage, placeable and recognizable instruments, a tiny bit of depth, and some reasonably low bass. Anything other than the mush that is diffused and everwhere like you would get a car radio. For that ....all they need to do is ditch the apple headphones on their iphones for a $10 earbud set from walmart. And then start listening to music from it. That's it. A $10 earbud set I got actually bought quite a bit of what I enjoyed in music to the table. It didn't distort at normal volumes, it did get low (though the bass was exagerated) and there was quite a nice soundstage. Best of all, the sound was better than ANY HTIB box from walmart or best buy. It also rivalled cheap-ish towers in sound quality. This is the review. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/30209There are also shure earbuds at wally world that are also nice at $15-20. Note: I didn't say headphones as you need to go to about $60 to get closer to the quality that those in ear earbuds can bring. Right now, I think people simply don't know what good sound is and why on earth that would interest them. $10 bucks and the willingness to stick something in your ear will give them that... Although I understand your point and a pair of good 'phones or buds can make a huge difference, it's not the whole story. I do this, but I just don't like it for listening most of the time. A sound-stage should be in front of you not wrapped around your head! The other thing that has changed in our time is that music has become a "private Idaho" experience unlike the old days when a group got together a listened together. Often augmented by a bag of weed.  Soundbars come close to the concept I am talking about, but are really limited in the L/R spacing. I guess what I'm really saying is that the KISS principle really needs to be applied here to keep operation and setup as easy to use as possible. Wiring is the second most hated item. Bose tries to do some of this, but they are really expensive $4$ and I think the little cubes suck! Build the machine that is this simple and sounds real good and they will come. I could drop a dozen of these into friend's homes today! |
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Post by drtrey3 on May 16, 2014 14:15:25 GMT -5
The only way to experience the exact replication of music is to be there. I hear live music weekly, typically in the middle of it, less often in the audience, and nothing else can sound like that. Nothing. Not vinyl, not digital, nothing. It is all what sounds best to our ears unless we are there.
Trey
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Post by garbulky on May 17, 2014 1:51:56 GMT -5
I think our expectations can be even lower to achieve what we want. See all we need to do is give them a TASTE of what good sound is like. For instance something that has a soundstage, placeable and recognizable instruments, a tiny bit of depth, and some reasonably low bass. Anything other than the mush that is diffused and everwhere like you would get a car radio. For that ....all they need to do is ditch the apple headphones on their iphones for a $10 earbud set from walmart. And then start listening to music from it. That's it. A $10 earbud set I got actually bought quite a bit of what I enjoyed in music to the table. It didn't distort at normal volumes, it did get low (though the bass was exagerated) and there was quite a nice soundstage. Best of all, the sound was better than ANY HTIB box from walmart or best buy. It also rivalled cheap-ish towers in sound quality. This is the review. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/30209There are also shure earbuds at wally world that are also nice at $15-20. Note: I didn't say headphones as you need to go to about $60 to get closer to the quality that those in ear earbuds can bring. Right now, I think people simply don't know what good sound is and why on earth that would interest them. $10 bucks and the willingness to stick something in your ear will give them that... Although I understand your point and a pair of good 'phones or buds can make a huge difference, it's not the whole story. I do this, but I just don't like it for listening most of the time. A sound-stage should be in front of you not wrapped around your head! The other thing that has changed in our time is that music has become a "private Idaho" experience unlike the old days when a group got together a listened together. Often augmented by a bag of weed. Soundbars come close to the concept I am talking about, but are really limited in the L/R spacing. I guess what I'm really saying is that the KISS principle really needs to be applied here to keep operation and setup as easy to use as possible. Wiring is the second most hated item. Bose tries to do some of this, but they are really expensive $4$ and I think the little cubes suck! Build the machine that is this simple and sounds real good and they will come. I could drop a dozen of these into friend's homes today! I understand what you mean. I think in headphone terms they call it "headspace" for soundstage and it is different. But that's not the glaring fault of the $10 ear buds. Its glaring fault is that it's $10 and therefore can only bring so much to the table in terms of quality!  But at least it'll spark their imagination. Don't get me wrong, I would much prefer it if people got themselves NICE speakers in a simple fashion. I just think it's probably far fetched because of the $ requirement. Make the best quality stuff for an excellent price for say $200....truth be told not many will buy it. Now....make those same speakers a fashion statement like BEATS headphones and watch everybody suddenly get very interested.... |
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Post by yves on May 17, 2014 9:58:53 GMT -5
As long as the vast majority of people like to buy strawberries that have lots of rotten spots, most mainstream supermarkets will continue to rarely or hardly ever sell strawberries that have very few or no rotten spots. To be able to understand why, I think you should watch that film titled "The Wolf of Wallstreet".
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Post by redog on May 17, 2014 15:26:33 GMT -5
At this point I think the only way 'mainstream' music lovers will buy hi-rez is when it can be easily downloaded from a popular site like iTunes. I don't think the mainstream listener has the patience to wait for a physical format to arrive, or go to the store to buy it. The music server, whether it be an iPod, iMac, or some high end device is too compelling and feeding it has to be easy. While we may be willing to rip disks into our libraries I'd say most would find this too much trouble, and ripping Blu-Ray or vinyl isn't going to happen for most. What about the latest American Idol or Voice download, they get pretty popular and may never see a physical disk, gotta have it tonight. There's too much IGS (Instant Gratification Syndrome), "we want the world and we want it ... NOW!" +1 |
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Post by The Mad Norseman on May 17, 2014 16:03:54 GMT -5
Sadly, convenience trumps quality with today's 'millennials'... and pretty much anyone else under about 40 years old these days (he says sounding like an old man!  )...too bad. Not every last one of them, but the vast majority that I meet... |
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Post by audiobill on May 17, 2014 16:25:20 GMT -5
At this point I think the only way 'mainstream' music lovers will buy hi-rez is when it can be easily downloaded from a popular site like iTunes. I don't think the mainstream listener has the patience to wait for a physical format to arrive, or go to the store to buy it. The music server, whether it be an iPod, iMac, or some high end device is too compelling and feeding it has to be easy. While we may be willing to rip disks into our libraries I'd say most would find this too much trouble, and ripping Blu-Ray or vinyl isn't going to happen for most. What about the latest American Idol or Voice download, they get pretty popular and may never see a physical disk, gotta have it tonight. There's too much IGS (Instant Gratification Syndrome), "we want the world and we want it ... NOW!" +1 we want the world and we want it ... NOW!" Wasn't that from Jim Morrison....."When the Music's Over". !!!!! |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 17, 2014 19:48:18 GMT -5
we want the world and we want it ... NOW!" Wasn't that from Jim Morrison....."When the Music's Over". !!!!! You got it Bill, the house band at the Whiskey ... Jim was ahead of his time. Turn out the lights ... |
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But at least it'll spark their imagination. Don't get me wrong, I would much prefer it if people got themselves NICE speakers in a simple fashion. I just think it's probably far fetched because of the $ requirement. Make the best quality stuff for an excellent price for say $200....truth be told not many will buy it. Now....make those same speakers a fashion statement like BEATS headphones and watch everybody suddenly get very interested.... 
)...too bad. 
