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Post by KeithL on Jul 7, 2014 10:30:26 GMT -5
Depending on where you live, I might suggest a final rinse with (cheap) bottled water. Here in Franklin our tap water is so hard that it leaves mineral spots when it evaporates - and you don't want that on your records. Myself and some others have noticed getting pop and clicks when using the spin clean soap. One guy said he switched to using just water with good results. I found that just rinsing the record under the tap after the wash solved the problem for me. Oh, OK. When I dry my LPs I use a wet drying towel and then a final dry and then air dry. So in essence I'm removing the soap residue, also, I am very reserve on the amount of soap I use. My vinyl plays flawlessly after treatment. Thanks so much! Nick
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Post by briank on Jul 7, 2014 11:04:55 GMT -5
Depending on where you live, I might suggest a final rinse with (cheap) bottled water. Here in Franklin our tap water is so hard that it leaves mineral spots when it evaporates - and you don't want that on your records. Oh, OK. When I dry my LPs I use a wet drying towel and then a final dry and then air dry. So in essence I'm removing the soap residue, also, I am very reserve on the amount of soap I use. My vinyl plays flawlessly after treatment. Thanks so much! Nick Good point. Spin Wash does recommend using distilled water.
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Post by novisnick on Jul 7, 2014 11:16:59 GMT -5
Oh, OK. When I dry my LPs I use a wet drying towel and then a final dry and then air dry. So in essence I'm removing the soap residue, also, I am very reserve on the amount of soap I use. My vinyl plays flawlessly after treatment. Thanks so much! Nick Your drying towel could be making harmful microscopic marks on your vinyl (I am sure there is some special towel available that costs hundreds of dollars that will prevent this from happening, though) so perhaps you ought to air dry your records with a blow dryer or compressed air (but it has to be in a sterile, dust free room so you don't blow dust and other microscopic particles onto the record and scar them like asteroids and meteors hitting the moon). Or on a clear day hang them out on the laundry line (but use a special velvetized clothespin). Thanks so much, not a fan of blowing on LPs and the dry towel isn't going to mar the information IN the grooves, IMHO HAVNT HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE METHOD YET,,,,,,,dang, sorry for the caps, didn't see it. after a goth dry I let them air dry. Thanks for the info. Nick edit; always rub in a circular motion, in the direction of the rings.
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Post by novisnick on Jul 7, 2014 11:28:36 GMT -5
At 44.1/16 a CD will hold between 60 minutes and 80 minutes UNCOMPRESSED (the blanks come in different sizes). Going up to 24/96 UNCOMPRESSED about triples the data rate - so you would get about 20 - 25 minutes (again uncompressed). By using FLAC, which gives you compression, you will get to approximately double that again (to about 40 - 50 minutes). The amount of compression you get will vary depending on the content itself (between about 50% and about 70%). (Note that there isn't much size difference between the different compression levels on FLAC.) Therefore, most albums should fit... However, since FLAC files on a CD can basically only be played on a computer anyway (not a regular CD player), I would suggest using DVD blanks rather than CD blanks. DVD blanks are very cheap these days; they hold about five times as much as a CD-R; they are actually more resistant to damage than a CD-R (they are more sensitive to scratches, but the label side is much better protected from handling damage); and most devices that can play a FLAC file off a CD-R will just as happily do so from a DVD-R. Virtually all modern computers can record and play either. A "USB turntable" is a turntable with a phono preamp and A/D (analog-to-digital converter) built in. All of those components individually vary widely in terms of audio quality - and price; you can spend anywhere between $29 and $10,000 for a phono preamp; up to about $5k for a "consumer" ADC; and anywhere between $100 and the price of a small house for a turntable and cartridge. There are a limited number of all-in-one "USB turntables", and all are at the lower end of that range; most are in the below-$200 range, but I believe there is at least one (Audio Technica ??) that is a bit better. I would expect a $199 USB turntable to deliver performance equal to a $100 turntable and cartridge, a $50 phono preamp, and a $50 ADC (or a $29 computer sound card). Note that you will pay at least three or four times that much for a "decent" turntable and cartridge alone... and you can easily pay ten or twenty times as much for an expensive one, so, to a point, you do get what you pay for... and it depends on your "level of expectation" in terms of the sound quality you hope to achieve. I also wouldn't bet on hearing any difference between digitizing your music at 16/44.1 and 24/96 unless you have a very good turntable and ADC (using the higher sample rate is only going to preserve the improvement in quality if it's there to begin with). I also mention this because I suspect that the cheaper "USB turntables" may not offer you any sample rates above 16/44.1 - and I wouldn't see that as a "limitation" in terms of the quality you're going to get for $200 anyway. If you're willing to spend a bit more money, or want a bit more flexibility, you can now buy a combination phono preamp and USB A/D converter - which would allow you to use a regular turntable and cartridge. I don't know any specifics, but you can Google "USB phono preamp" and see lots of options there.... Incidentally, one of the great benefits of digitizing your vinyl is that you can edit out the ticks and pops You will also notice that the really cheap ones may not offer higher ample rates than 16/44.1 - and, because of the other limitations, you jmight not hear any difference there if they did. daveburt, does an LP fit on a CD when recorded at a high bit rate. Never done this but would love the quality recordings. Do you need something better to record with then a cheap USB TT? Are there different quality USB TT ? thanks. Nick Thanks KiethL, I do have some pretty good gear IMHO. How would you go about recording my vinyl to DVD Disc. thanks for the great info. Nick
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Post by novisnick on Jul 7, 2014 11:37:46 GMT -5
Depending on where you live, I might suggest a final rinse with (cheap) bottled water. Here in Franklin our tap water is so hard that it leaves mineral spots when it evaporates - and you don't want that on your records. Oh, OK. When I dry my LPs I use a wet drying towel and then a final dry and then air dry. So in essence I'm removing the soap residue, also, I am very reserve on the amount of soap I use. My vinyl plays flawlessly after treatment. Thanks so much! Nick The directions with the Spin Clean, which I always read,,,,, says to use only distiller water. This may be the source of the mentioned problems. Nick
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Post by autiger on Jul 7, 2014 13:01:56 GMT -5
Spin clean messed up my first order so they sent re-sent my first order and told me to just keep the first order on them, so I use one bin to clean and the other bin to rinse. Both using distilled water and the results have been very good. Can't compare not rinsing because I used both, clean and rinse, for my entire collection. Then I put the vinyl in a new inner sleeve and then the album jacket in an outer sleeve (with the inner sleeve and vinyl on the outside of the jacket but in the jacket sleeve).
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Post by jmilton on Jul 7, 2014 13:08:33 GMT -5
O.K. - I'm convinced, vinyl is the way to go... Can someone tell me how I can rip all of my old CDs to vinyl? Thanks in advance!
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Post by milsap195 on Jul 7, 2014 13:11:21 GMT -5
Spin clean messed up my first order so they sent re-sent my first order and told me to just keep the first order on them, so I use one bin to clean and the other bin to rinse. Both using distilled water and the results have been very good. Can't compare not rinsing because I used both, clean and rinse, for my entire collection. Then I put the vinyl in a new inner sleeve and then the album jacket in an outer sleeve (with the inner sleeve and vinyl on the outside of the jacket but in the jacket sleeve). I've seen several people do what you do, makes it much easier.
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Post by Priapulus on Jul 7, 2014 15:43:57 GMT -5
O.K. - I'm convinced, vinyl is the way to go... Can someone tell me how I can rip all of my old CDs to vinyl? Thanks in advance! Easy, just hook the cartridge up to the speaker wires. You also have to add some weight to the tone arm; maybe 5 or 6 quarters. With enough weight you can even recut old vinyl records with new music and recycle those old K-tel Christmas albums!
Sincerely /b
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Post by jmilton on Jul 7, 2014 17:07:40 GMT -5
O.K. - I'm convinced, vinyl is the way to go... Can someone tell me how I can rip all of my old CDs to vinyl? Thanks in advance! Easy, just hook the cartridge up to the speaker wires. You also have to add some weight to the tone arm; maybe 5 or 6 quarters. With enough weight you can even recut old vinyl records with new music and recycle those old K-tel Christmas albums!
Sincerely /b
180 gram = hi rez
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Post by drtrey3 on Jul 7, 2014 21:15:02 GMT -5
I plug the output of my Bellari phono preamp into the rca inputs of my sound card. I use WavePad sound editor to record the sides. Then I decide how much data I think the album deserves. Almost all of them I save as 24 bit, most are fine at 48K, but a few I go up to 96k. But only if it is a great pressing and super well recorded. Like the Chipmunks Sing New Wave. No I kid, I have a Track British import of Quadrophenia that I am pretty sure I went big with. Tomorrow I get the Blu-ray version to compare it to!
Trey
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jul 8, 2014 9:04:07 GMT -5
O.K. - I'm convinced, vinyl is the way to go... Can someone tell me how I can rip all of my old CDs to vinyl? Thanks in advance! Here is the way, And then you can make copies,
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Post by dac0964 on Jul 8, 2014 14:16:34 GMT -5
IMO, only older vinyl, recorded via analog recorders and in great shape is worth the pursuit. Since the early '80's, digital mastering recorders have largely been used, and in that case the digital form of playback IS the original........ Totally agree and a very good point. If going with new vinyl look for those recorded from the original analog tapes. The ones recorded from digital suck. Brian, I'm just starting to collect vinyl records (old and new). How would I know if they were recorded from original analog tapes? Thanks.
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Post by briank on Jul 8, 2014 14:44:21 GMT -5
Totally agree and a very good point. If going with new vinyl look for those recorded from the original analog tapes. The ones recorded from digital suck. Brian, I'm just starting to collect vinyl records (old and new). How would I know if they were recorded from original analog tapes? Thanks. Sellers of new vinyl like Music Direct will tell you in the description section. Older pressings (pre 1985), should be recorded from analog tape.
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Post by lionear on Jul 8, 2014 21:36:26 GMT -5
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Post by daveburt on Jul 10, 2014 2:54:50 GMT -5
It's obvious a lot of you folks are cynical about the sound quality of ripped vinyl... You also seem sure that it's NOT hi-res, and is full of noise (pops/crackles), due to the fact that it's from a TT. I've actually worked on a way to share some material I converted from The Beatles "Abbey Road" LP (Because). The equipment I'm using is old, and the Pre-amp is nothing special, but the vinyl and stylus were cleaned before ripping. The Album is also in really good shape and was purchased in the 70's, so there's nothing digital about it! Anyway, I found a way to share the song using "Google Drive" so the doubters can listen and decide for yourselves... You can DL it here (this is MY recording of the song from an old LP): docs.google.com/file/d/0B_lrniHyOEbmYXhRcGgtRFMxNFk/edit There's a decent copy of this song on Youtube, so hopefully there aren't any copy write problems. Check it out, play it on your system and let me know if you still think ripping LP's is a waste of time...
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