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Post by jking on Jul 29, 2014 22:42:48 GMT -5
Worked a bit more with it today... 1) There is definitely a problem with either the OPPO BD-93 or the XMC-1 with DSD decoding. If I set up the OPPO to pass the DSD stream so that the XMC-1 can decode it, all is fine until the end of the disk. When the OPPO stops, there is a brief audio noise burst (glitch,) and the XMC-1 switches modes back to the default for the device. When I let the OPPO decode the DSD (converting it to PCM,) all is well and the XMC-1 remains in PCM mode when the OPPO stops. Seems like the OPPO may not be terminating the DSD stream gracefully? Or a handshake problem? 2) Also, when the XMC-1 is decoding the DSD stream, the zone-2 outputs output only the left channel. This would seem to be a problem with the XMC-1. The Record outputs are a good stereo mix down. Both these tests were with a CD containing a 5.1 DSD track, and the XMC-1 was in DSD Direct mode. When the OPPO converts the stream to PCM, the zone-2 outputs are fine. I get the same kind of noise on my Tivo, when the movie is over it will glitch a few times like it is trying to find a new stream to decode? Only seems to do it if I let it run all the way till it stops on it's own. IF I hit stop and go to something else it is quite like it should be. Added to the above. It will also once in a while after switching between inputs not have any sound, lights are on like they should be just no sound. If I shut it off (the XMC) then turn it right back on the sound comes right back. Seems like a problem with the HDMI switching .
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Post by bluescale on Jul 29, 2014 23:05:01 GMT -5
Added to the above. It will also once in a while after switching between inputs not have any sound, lights are on like they should be just no sound. If I shut it off (the XMC) then turn it right back on the sound comes right back. Seems like a problem with the HDMI switching . Oh boy... I sure hope this is an isolated case, as this behavior has been the bane of my existence with the UMC-1.
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Post by geebo on Jul 30, 2014 7:01:48 GMT -5
Added to the above. It will also once in a while after switching between inputs not have any sound, lights are on like they should be just no sound. If I shut it off (the XMC) then turn it right back on the sound comes right back. Seems like a problem with the HDMI switching . Oh boy... I sure hope this is an isolated case, as this behavior has been the bane of my existence with the UMC-1. The DSD end of SACD audio glitch described above does not happen with my Oppo 103 and at least one other member has stated not with the BDP-95.
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Post by bootman on Jul 30, 2014 7:05:44 GMT -5
Added to the above. It will also once in a while after switching between inputs not have any sound, lights are on like they should be just no sound. If I shut it off (the XMC) then turn it right back on the sound comes right back. Seems like a problem with the HDMI switching . Oh boy... I sure hope this is an isolated case, as this behavior has been the bane of my existence with the UMC-1. It is the bane of our collective existence with HDMI gear. My TIVO and Pioneer AVR does this on occasion.
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Post by hemster on Jul 30, 2014 7:06:37 GMT -5
Oh boy... I sure hope this is an isolated case, as this behavior has been the bane of my existence with the UMC-1. The DSD end of SACD audio glitch described above does not happen with my Oppo 103 and at least one other member has stated not with the BDP-95. Correct - not happening with my Oppo BDP-95. But also I have not seen any issues with HDMI switching between my laptop and the Oppo.
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Post by hemster on Jul 30, 2014 7:08:08 GMT -5
Oh boy... I sure hope this is an isolated case, as this behavior has been the bane of my existence with the UMC-1. It is the bane of our collective existence with HDMI gear. My TIVO and Pioneer AVR does this on occasion. HDMI is finicky - my FiOS box and Marantz receiver absolutely hate each other. Often, simply switching sources 'fixes' it.
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Post by boscobear on Jul 30, 2014 7:42:58 GMT -5
A quick fix , we use the Clapper, Clap Off, Clap On Of course, No HDMI connecting the Clapper
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Post by bluescale on Jul 30, 2014 10:41:02 GMT -5
Oh boy... I sure hope this is an isolated case, as this behavior has been the bane of my existence with the UMC-1. The DSD end of SACD audio glitch described above does not happen with my Oppo 103 and at least one other member has stated not with the BDP-95. I was talking about no sound when switching HDMI inputs. I'm probably getting worried for no reason, as this is the first report of such handshake issues.
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Post by geebo on Jul 30, 2014 11:17:44 GMT -5
The DSD end of SACD audio glitch described above does not happen with my Oppo 103 and at least one other member has stated not with the BDP-95. I was talking about no sound when switching HDMI inputs. I'm probably getting worried for no reason, as this is the first report of such handshake issues. Okay, I've done that several times and no problems.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 30, 2014 12:47:06 GMT -5
The problem myself and JimBailey have reported was ONLY for the Oppo BDP-93 with it's lastest firmware. No other Oppo blu-ray player has been reported as having this very slight noise when disengaging an SACD. I've also tried the Oppo BDP-83 without a problem, so I'm going to say blame the Oppo BDP-93 on this one.
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Post by wizardofoz on Jul 30, 2014 13:03:29 GMT -5
Roadrunner, I am interested to know with your Oppo experiences why you are using the down market models 93/103 when the 95/105 have the superior performance and especially so for the Balanced outputs and Sabre9018 DAC's. Did you ever try the higher spec models? I will be pairing my XMC-1 with the Oppo 105 and also optionally one of these www.xuting.net/english/product/bd007plus.asp and may even need the XSP-1 I have to pass the extra balanced inputs optionally before or after the XMC-1.
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Post by sct on Jul 30, 2014 13:08:38 GMT -5
Well, if RR is running an HDMI connection, there is very little benefit to be had from spending more money on the up-market models.
SCT - I'm jus' sayin'...
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Post by wizardofoz on Jul 30, 2014 13:16:01 GMT -5
well if he is running HDMI and comparing to XLR/RCA out on the ERC then its not a fair comparison...well at least not apples to apples
I should note that I had and ERC-1 way back when...and maybe it was an Oppo BDP-80 back then but I had to settle for one disk player and the ERC was limited to CD so that was not an option, but the ERC's are very good CD players, just can't always justify so many transports. Now I rip all my CD's to FLAC which the Oppo can render and one day the XMC might just do that too.
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Post by Dark Ranger on Jul 30, 2014 13:18:29 GMT -5
Normally I'd agree about not needing a BDP-95/105 if you're just using HDMI. However, RoadRunner was comparing the OPPO and ERC-1/2 for stereo performance. The ERC-1/2/3 is stereo audio only; an HDMI connection doesn't really factor here.
I can see where Wizard is coming from: RR buys both an ERC and an OPPO when he could have one device that does both for about the same price. Then again, some folks like a standalone CD player. I've also heard that the Sabre DACs offer a different sonic flavor than the AD DAC in the ERCs. I haven't heard a 95/105 so I cannot comment authoritatively.
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Post by sct on Jul 30, 2014 13:18:48 GMT -5
BD-007+ - what, no 7.1 analog outputs? No SACD? For shame! But it does support HDCD, that's cool! And WTF is "Dobbly"? Did they mean "Dolby"? I'd be a little wary of this product, methinks customer support is gonna be a bit problematical... SCT - It does have ISO capability, definitely a plus. And it also has 7.1 "loudhailer" support - Man, this thing's documentation makes Denon's look like it was written by Oxford scholars - too funny!
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Post by sct on Jul 30, 2014 13:22:39 GMT -5
Frankly, I'd spring for an Oppo BDP-105 (or 105D) over an ERC and lesser Oppo unit any day of the week. The 105 is a magnificent unit and should hold its value for many years to come. I'm also swayed by having fewer boxes to fiddle with. The Oppo 105 does it all, and does it quite well, thank you...
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Post by novisnick on Jul 30, 2014 13:23:57 GMT -5
Roadrunner, I am interested to know with your Oppo experiences why you are using the down market models 93/103 when the 95/105 have the superior performance and especially so for the Balanced outputs and Sabre9018 DAC's. Did you ever try the higher spec models? I will be pairing my XMC-1 with the Oppo 105 and also optionally one of these www.xuting.net/english/product/bd007plus.asp and may even need the XSP-1 I have to pass the extra balanced inputs optionally before or after the XMC-1. Nice bit of kit, like to see one up close. Any clue as to the price point?
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Post by wizardofoz on Jul 30, 2014 13:24:18 GMT -5
I admit its not a 105, but its 30% of the price and I can always sell it away or use in the bedroom if I want to play a disk .. SACD I have the OPPO and an older OPPO DVD player that supports SACD too...right now I would like 2 oppo-105s for different rooms but SWMBO won't accept that so I must try a different tact and get something cheaper...did I just say tact...oh I said it again.
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Post by Dark Ranger on Jul 30, 2014 13:25:39 GMT -5
Honey, I shrunk the record!@ SCT: no doubt the BDP-105 is highly revered and for good reason. I'd love to try one out someday.
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Post by wizardofoz on Jul 30, 2014 13:27:57 GMT -5
Nice bit of kit, like to see one up close. Any clue as to the price point? This is how one should quote for a one line response...well any response really .... I'm paying around S$780 so in USD thats around $630 with shipping and 7% duty included. Now back to our regular XMC discussion please...sorry for my digression
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