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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 5:29:56 GMT -5
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Post by cgolf on Sept 3, 2014 5:56:02 GMT -5
Actually more than $5mm because they are $5mm #s. That's probably closer to $7mm US.
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Post by danny01 on Sept 3, 2014 6:26:20 GMT -5
3 stars in value for money. If it were $10m would it get two stars? ;D
Sent from my SM-P600 using proboards
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Post by bluemeanies on Sept 3, 2014 6:35:48 GMT -5
Simply put...money is relative....but these speakers are sure UGLY!!
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Post by linvincible on Sept 3, 2014 6:50:02 GMT -5
ugly... but maybe more worth the money (considering price of gold) than some other speakers 100 times less expensive !
that is ... if there is around 500 pounds of gold ;o)
(had to edit since I converted price in pounds for dollars...)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 7:12:28 GMT -5
All giggles aside regarding the price etc, I did find the review to be a good read in that the actual (ugly!) shape of this enclosure has such a dramatic affect on the sound.
The usual edition is cast in bronze and is about $80,000 - the gold edition is um, extra...
He mentions in one part how it probably isn't that much different from a brass musical instrument - the units appear to produce very tight, fast and superbly controlled attacks with little or no coloration.
They are not the deepest in bass repo but then the manual suggests positioning them in the corners of the room - something not usually recommended but here it seems to compensate for their lack of lower boot.
Wonder what a similar shape made from some other material like thick alloy would sound like?
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Post by boscobear on Sept 3, 2014 8:17:14 GMT -5
Wonder how much they charge for a pair of speakers made in, Papier-mache'? Maybe I could fork up the cash for those! May have to turn down the bass a bit, so they don't fly apart. There ain't nothing chewed up paper can't do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 8:36:15 GMT -5
They look like R2D2 with indigestion
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Post by MaisterK on Sept 3, 2014 10:35:59 GMT -5
Deceptive looks, maybe poor audio, bad taste, a lot of inherited money. Useless things for dummy millionaires.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 3, 2014 11:01:20 GMT -5
Wonder how much they charge for a pair of speakers made in, Papier-mache'? Maybe I could fork up the cash for those! May have to turn down the bass a bit, so they don't fly apart. There ain't nothing chewed up paper can't do. Yes, but no chewing the paper, they are made from intact 'Grover's' ($1000 bills for those like me who had to look it up). Unfortunately, over time they might deteriorate as you peel one off for a trip to the music and liquor store before a party.  |
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Post by KeithL on Sept 3, 2014 11:22:16 GMT -5
(Note that I didn't read the review... so I'm going on the quote from it...) The comment about "lack of coloration" being "like a brass instrument" is in fact the precise OPPOSITE of true. (And it rather suggests that the reviewer doesn't actually know what he's talking about.) The sound in a brass horn (like a trumpet or a tuba) originates in a little reed vibrating because you're blowing air across it; and all that reed will produce by itself is a sort of pathetic buzzing noise. (I think it's also modulating the air stream, so add to that a sort of hissing sputtering noise.) It is the COLORATION imparted by the brass horn that CREATES the characteristic sound of a brass instrument. The characteristic sound comes from the shape of the air passages, the shape of the bell, and how the sound vibrations ricochet around the metal parts. (Even things like the hardness of the metal from which the horn is made affect the sound; cymbals get that nice "tizzy" sound because the metal is turned to thickness, which makes it very hard, and so causes the vibrations to ricochet around inside in a particular way.) If you could somehow "play regular music" through a trumpet, it would come out sounding rather like trumpet music - or rather like something halfway in between - but the point is that it would be heavily colored by having passed through the trumpet. So, if that speaker "sounded like brass", it would be a very poor sounding speaker indeed. (Herb Alpert might come out sounding "very sharp and brassy", but so would Elvis Presley... and Madonna... and Snoop Dog.) I've heard this point confused before by reviewers who (presumably) know something about musical instruments - but not much about high fidelity. A musical instrument is PRODUCING music; as such, you WANT it to impart a particular (pleasant) sound; that's what it DOES. In direct contrast, a loudspeaker REPRODUCES music, which is quite a different thing. A speaker is supposed to reproduce the original sound, and NOT impart its own particular sound to what you play through it. Any speaker that, on its own, sounds like brass, or wood, or titanium, or whatever, is a very poor speaker.... what it should sound like is "whatever you play through it". If you look at a well designed horn speaker, it utilizes the specific impedance matching characteristics of the horn shape, but does its best to SUPPRESS the other characteristics of the materials used to make it. (A wooden horn shouldn't sound like wood, a fiberglas horn shouldn't sound like fiberglas, and a brass horn certainly shouldn't sound like brass.) It's not unreasonable to make a speaker out of brass... but that's because brass is a reasonably good structural material. Brass has a pretty good strength to weight ratio and, while it's stiffness would tend to cause all sorts of coloration, it should be possible to suppress most of that by properly damping the cabinet. (If you look at brass horn instruments, they are usually made of thin brass which vibrates easily. Horn speakers usually use very heavy metal, often of a softer type, which limits vibration, or a thinner metal, but mounted so the bell of the horn - where most of the vibrations occur - is attached to the mounting surface.) Of course, materials like MDF, which has higher internal damping, and weighs a lot less, work better. Gold should actually work reasonably well for a speaker because, like lead, it is soft and very dense, which should tend to suppress vibration to some degree (of course lead would be more effective, and a lot cheaper, but not nearly as exotic). All giggles aside regarding the price etc, I did find the review to be a good read in that the actual (ugly!) shape of this enclosure has such a dramatic affect on the sound. The usual edition is cast in bronze and is about $80,000 - the gold edition is um, extra... He mentions in one part how it probably isn't that much different from a brass musical instrument - the units appear to produce very tight, fast and superbly controlled attacks with little or no coloration. They are not the deepest in bass repo but then the manual suggests positioning them in the corners of the room - something not usually recommended but here it seems to compensate for their lack of lower boot. Wonder what a similar shape made from some other material like thick alloy would sound like? |
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Post by unsound on Sept 3, 2014 11:26:56 GMT -5
These are fantastic speakers and punch above their price class. You would have to spend at least $10 M to get anything better than these!
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Post by DYohn on Sept 3, 2014 11:28:48 GMT -5
Who cares?
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Post by unsound on Sept 3, 2014 11:40:24 GMT -5
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Post by bub on Sept 3, 2014 11:57:55 GMT -5
Group buy ?
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 3, 2014 12:15:01 GMT -5
After finishing with a few other sources of bathroom reading, I recently subscribed to The Absolute Sound again after many years hiatus. My first issue arrived the other day and I remembered exactly why I dropped it years ago. Same goes for Stereophile. These magazines are chalk full of this sort of stuff. It's like they think it's normal to spend $25,000 on an amp or $50,000 on speakers. All it does for the constantly seeking audiophile is make you depressed.
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Post by paintedklown on Sept 3, 2014 12:25:45 GMT -5
I am planning a 32 channel Atmos system that is begging for these all the way around.
Will they take PayPal?
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 3, 2014 12:51:31 GMT -5
I am planning a 32 channel Atmos system that is begging for these all the way around. Will they take PayPal? Just 32? Full blown Atmos does more than that.   |
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Post by paintedklown on Sept 3, 2014 13:14:24 GMT -5
I am planning a 32 channel Atmos system that is begging for these all the way around. Will they take PayPal? Just 32? Full blown Atmos does more than that. LOL! My bad, I thought Atmos topped out at 32 channels. Looks like I may have to take grandma's picture down to make room for more speakers.   j/k about grannie's picture. |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 3, 2014 13:24:10 GMT -5
LOL! My bad, I thought Atmos topped out at 32 channels. Looks like I may have to take grandma's picture down to make room for more speakers. "The first generation cinema hardware, the "Dolby Atmos Cinema Processor" supports up to 128 discrete audio tracks and up to 64 unique speaker feeds." Of course I seriously doubt the home market will ever reach this number. It's taken this long for a very small % of people and discs to be 7.1. But if the electronics people need something to sell, you never know. Might take 50 years to get there, but...... Personally I'd bet more on Sony's patented "in brain" receiver before people spent the time and money putting in 64 speakers. Sony's system would let you watch and listen to stuff directly "inside you brain." Oh boy!!!  Back on topic, now at 7+ million a pair U.S.D. for these gold speakers, for 64 channels and 50 years worth of inflation, how much will that all cost?  ?? |
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