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Post by deltadube on Sept 3, 2014 16:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by aud on Sept 3, 2014 18:31:39 GMT -5
My fantasy for new Paradigms is starting to take hold!
Thank you for that!
Dave
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Post by oppman99 on Sept 3, 2014 20:05:41 GMT -5
Meh.....Paradigm's price to performance ratio has been steadily dropping in the last 5-6 years. For what they will cost, I'm willing to bet you will be able to find significantly better performing speakers and this is coming from someone who owns or has owned the top of the Studio and Signature lines.
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Post by danny01 on Sept 3, 2014 20:17:24 GMT -5
Beautiful stuff. But, I also seriously auditioned Studio 20/100/690 v.5 before settling on mint Signature v.1's, which I sold a few months later. This was when the 100's retailed for $3k. Now its $3.8k-ish for them? Forget about it. Even at $3k, I felt that they were a bit overpriced compared to other speakers between $2k-4k. And the Signatures' pricing... lets not even go there.
Sent from my SM-P600 using proboards
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Post by deltadube on Sept 3, 2014 21:28:27 GMT -5
Beautiful stuff. But, I also seriously auditioned Studio 20/100/690 v.5 before settling on mint Signature v.1's, which I sold a few months later. This was when the 100's retailed for $3k. Now its $3.8k-ish for them? Forget about it. Even at $3k, I felt that they were a bit overpriced compared to other speakers between $2k-4k. And the Signatures' pricing... lets not even go there. Sent from my SM-P600 using proboards well the sales I know of for the 100s are 3,000 for a pair.. got to ask for the discount eh.. taxes inn too.. cheers wondering what the pricing of the Prestige line will be.. is it over or under the signatures.. another 9 day or so to go.. |
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Post by redog on Sept 3, 2014 21:42:55 GMT -5
Funny story, I was auditioning some paradigms and psb speakers at a dealer. I told him I was on my way to pick up some goldenear triton 2's to audition. The sales guy looked at me and said I'm not sure we have anything here that can compete with those.
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Post by guzz46 on Sept 4, 2014 0:41:32 GMT -5
Meh.....Paradigm's price to performance ratio has been steadily dropping in the last 5-6 years. For what they will cost, I'm willing to bet you will be able to find significantly better performing speakers and this is coming from someone who owns or has owned the top of the Studio and Signature lines. I would have to agree with you there, my first proper speakers were Paradigm Monitor 9's, the older ones that had two 8" woofers, then I moved to Paradigm Studio 100's, from memory I think they were roughly twice the price, but they only really sounded a little bit better, they still had that same sonic signature. My next speakers were Jamo C809's, which apart from their soft dome tweeter, which made the studio 100's sound a bit bright by comparison, sounded relatively similar to the Studio 100's. Then later on down the track I got a pair of Legacy Signature SE's, they cost about a third more than the Studio 100's, but they sounded SO much better, the mids and highs were like nothing I've ever heard before, they're really in a completely different ballpark to the Studio 100's, I haven't heard the Paradigm Signature S8's, so I'm only making an educated guess here going by my previous Paradigm upgrade experience, but I can't imagine them sounding as good as the Legacy's, and they are much more expensive too, the S6's are in the Signature SE's price range. |
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Post by deewan on Sept 4, 2014 10:31:15 GMT -5
Funny story, I was auditioning some paradigms and psb speakers at a dealer. I told him I was on my way to pick up some goldenear triton 2's to audition. The sales guy looked at me and said I'm not sure we have anything here that can compete with those. Makes sense. The Golden Ears have powered low end drivers and an air motion tweeter. Def Tech would be able to compete with that, but not paradigm or other traditional passive speakers. |
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Post by danny01 on Sept 4, 2014 11:22:48 GMT -5
Funny story, I was auditioning some paradigms and psb speakers at a dealer. I told him I was on my way to pick up some goldenear triton 2's to audition. The sales guy looked at me and said I'm not sure we have anything here that can compete with those. Makes sense. The Golden Ears have powered low end drivers and an air motion tweeter. Def Tech would be able to compete with that, but not paradigm or other traditional passive speakers. Never heard Golden Ear speakers, but the powered Def Techs I heard were pretty dismal. Muddy bass, recessed mids, mediocre treble. I'd take Paradigm over Def Tech any day. |
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Post by danny01 on Sept 4, 2014 11:27:28 GMT -5
Beautiful stuff. But, I also seriously auditioned Studio 20/100/690 v.5 before settling on mint Signature v.1's, which I sold a few months later. This was when the 100's retailed for $3k. Now its $3.8k-ish for them? Forget about it. Even at $3k, I felt that they were a bit overpriced compared to other speakers between $2k-4k. And the Signatures' pricing... lets not even go there. Sent from my SM-P600 using proboards well the sales I know of for the 100s are 3,000 for a pair.. got to ask for the discount eh.. taxes inn too.. cheers wondering what the pricing of the Prestige line will be.. is it over or under the signatures.. another 9 day or so to go.. These look to be a bit above the Studios. Looks similar to the Tribute(IMO one of the sexiest speakers, on par with Sonus Faber), a bit less fancy. Maybe they are the Studio replacement. |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 4, 2014 11:45:36 GMT -5
I'm so sorry so many of you have such poor room acoustics, cause that's what you are/were hearing. I'm enjoying the sound of a set of sexy 100s. There are no harsh highs, I don't know where you get this, it must be the room. Plenty of bass but of course you'll know I'm a bass head so there could never be enough bass for me, probably not even from a subwoofer,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,,
Everyone here should know by now that I'm no trouble maker but I really do love the sound of these speakers, could use a little more horn IMHO, BUT THATS JUST ME.
I see no reason to be bashing a product that depends so much more on the room then the engineering that goes into the product.
The new speakers, I have no idea as to what they are or where in Paradigms line they will fall but the video appears to represent a box type speaker and not a figure 'de art like the curved back 100s. I wish them luck and I'm sure they will be a fine produce.
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Post by oppman99 on Sept 4, 2014 16:53:19 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is trying to bash any brand, just offering personal opinions. I also agree with Danny's opinion of Def Techs. I have heard them at 3 different dealers and they failed to impress every time. My conclusion is that they aren't for me. Nothing wrong if someone else thinks they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Just means a different personal preference.
As for any speaker sounding bright, it's all relative. One person's bright is another's detailed. I can see someone who is used to silk dome tweeters calling the Studio tweeters bright. In the same respect, if you are used to a metal dome, silk may sound dull and lifeless to you. That is why there are so many different designs out there. I know Maggie's have a large following but they lack the physical impact and dynamics I prefer. Doesn't mean they are bad speakers, just means they aren't the right match for me.
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Post by aud on Sept 4, 2014 17:14:58 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is trying to bash any brand, just offering personal opinions. I also agree with Danny's opinion of Def Techs. I have heard them at 3 different dealers and they failed to impress every time. My conclusion is that they aren't for me. Nothing wrong if someone else thinks they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Just means a different personal preference. As for any speaker sounding bright, it's all relative. One person's bright is another's detailed. I can see someone who is used to silk dome tweeters calling the Studio tweeters bright. In the same respect, if you are used to a metal dome, silk may sound dull and lifeless to you. That is why there are so many different designs out there. I know Maggie's have a large following but they lack the physical impact and dynamics I prefer. Doesn't mean they are bad speakers, just means they aren't the right match for me. Well said! So many variables external to the speakers. It's a long list. I would not want to be a designer of audio speakers. I can hear the phone calls now. There is no soundstage, of course they're against the back wall, my wife won't let me put them anywhere else. The imaging is all over the place, of course one speaker is 3 feet closer to me and my listening chair is on wheels. My speakers sound flat and lifeless, of course I keep all the doors and windows open and we just installed new carpeting with a much thicker pad. It's so nice to lay on while I'm listening to my music. |
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Post by danny01 on Sept 4, 2014 19:56:13 GMT -5
I'm so sorry so many of you have such poor room acoustics, cause that's what you are/were hearing. I'm enjoying the sound of a set of sexy 100s. There are no harsh highs, I don't know where you get this, it must be the room. Plenty of bass but of course you'll know I'm a bass head so there could never be enough bass for me, probably not even from a subwoofer,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,, Everyone here should know by now that I'm no trouble maker but I really do love the sound of these speakers, could use a little more horn IMHO, BUT THATS JUST ME. I see no reason to be bashing a product that depends so much more on the room then the engineering that goes into the product. The new speakers, I have no idea as to what they are or where in Paradigms line they will fall but the video appears to represent a box type speaker and not a figure 'de art like the curved back 100s. I wish them luck and I'm sure they will be a fine produce. My room is not bright. I know this from demoing speakers in stores, then bringing them home and experiencing warmer sound. Also I have measured my room many times with a Cross Spectrum calibrated mic. Thick carpet, drywall, soft surfaces eveywhere. Probably less bright than your room with the wood panel walls. I have heard the Studio 100's in a HEAVILY treated demo room with Anthem electronics. It still had sibilance. This was what I heard. I'm sorry that you haven't heard a RAAL ribbon tweeter before. Coming from Klipsch, Paradigm will probably sound less bright. Sent from my SM-P600 using proboards |
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Post by deltadube on Sept 4, 2014 20:08:26 GMT -5
I'm so sorry so many of you have such poor room acoustics, cause that's what you are/were hearing. I'm enjoying the sound of a set of sexy 100s. There are no harsh highs, I don't know where you get this, it must be the room. Plenty of bass but of course you'll know I'm a bass head so there could never be enough bass for me, probably not even from a subwoofer,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,, Everyone here should know by now that I'm no trouble maker but I really do love the sound of these speakers, could use a little more horn IMHO, BUT THATS JUST ME. I see no reason to be bashing a product that depends so much more on the room then the engineering that goes into the product. The new speakers, I have no idea as to what they are or where in Paradigms line they will fall but the video appears to represent a box type speaker and not a figure 'de art like the curved back 100s. I wish them luck and I'm sure they will be a fine produce. My room is not bright. I know this from demoing speakers in stores, then bringing them home and experiencing warmer sound. Also I have measured my room many times with a Cross Spectrum calibrated mic. Thick carpet, drywall, soft surfaces eveywhere. Probably less bright than your room with the wood panel walls. I have heard the Studio 100's in a HEAVILY treated demo room with Anthem electronics. It still had sibilance. This was what I heard. I'm sorry that you haven't heard a RAAL ribbon tweeter before. Coming from Klipsch, Paradigm will probably sound less bright. Sent from my SM-P600 using proboards man danny you should check your ears .... paradigm studio 100s have zero sibilance.. maybe its your equipment... or your cables .. maybe you need some of bob's cables  cheers |
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Post by oppman99 on Sept 4, 2014 20:16:25 GMT -5
Compare the Studios with most ribbon or Be tweeters and you will know what Danny is talking about. His ears are fine.
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Post by novisnick on Sept 4, 2014 20:17:47 GMT -5
I'm so sorry so many of you have such poor room acoustics, cause that's what you are/were hearing. I'm enjoying the sound of a set of sexy 100s. There are no harsh highs, I don't know where you get this, it must be the room. Plenty of bass but of course you'll know I'm a bass head so there could never be enough bass for me, probably not even from a subwoofer,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,, Everyone here should know by now that I'm no trouble maker but I really do love the sound of these speakers, could use a little more horn IMHO, BUT THATS JUST ME. I see no reason to be bashing a product that depends so much more on the room then the engineering that goes into the product. The new speakers, I have no idea as to what they are or where in Paradigms line they will fall but the video appears to represent a box type speaker and not a figure 'de art like the curved back 100s. I wish them luck and I'm sure they will be a fine produce. My room is not bright. I know this from demoing speakers in stores, then bringing them home and experiencing warmer sound. Also I have measured my room many times with a Cross Spectrum calibrated mic. Thick carpet, drywall, soft surfaces eveywhere. Probably less bright than your room with the wood panel walls. I have heard the Studio 100's in a HEAVILY treated demo room with Anthem electronics. It still had sibilance. This was what I heard. I'm sorry that you haven't heard a RAAL ribbon tweeter before. Coming from Klipsch, Paradigm will probably sound less bright. Sent from my SM-P600 using proboards Thanks for you post, ya have to remember,which you do, that I do like the sound of horns as well. So, I guess that's why they make chocolate and vanilla !! Also maybe you should have heard them with some good electronic,,,,like maybe,,,,,,Emotiva gear,,,,he,,,he,,,,snicker,,,,,snicker,,,,,, |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 4, 2014 20:19:20 GMT -5
Compare the Studios with most ribbon or Be tweeters and you will know what Danny is talking about. His ears are fine. What?  ? Wait,,,,,,,,,,,let me get the SHhhhh out of my ears ,',he,,,,he,,,,,,he,,,,,, |
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Post by deltadube on Sept 4, 2014 20:20:29 GMT -5
Compare the Studios with most ribbon or Be tweeters and you will know what Danny is talking about. His ears are fine. his mind and ears are gone... |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 4, 2014 20:26:04 GMT -5
Would not normally jump in here but since others are talking, you can see from my signature I have Def Tech's. Are they perfect? Certainly NOT. Have I heard better? Abso-friggin-lutely. Are they the best 5.1 system speakers I heard in 2006 with a $5000 budget for my large variety tastes in music, movies, and all that bla bla bla, no doubt in my mind. Blew everything else away with that budget. Best bang for the buck I heard for sure. Do I know people who love Paradigms? Well, since the only audiophile people I really know personally don't have any, I can only say lots of people on this forum love them. Do I like them? No, not really. As a matter of fact, they fell well down near the bottom during my listening tests. I do not care for their sound. To much mid-range "boxiness" "cupped hands" for me. Not lifelike or real for me. They play loud as hell without distortion, but that's not my bag. I prefer them over Klipsch, but that's not saying much. I will never "rag" on anyone for liking one speaker over another. Speakers are ALL about personal taste, the type of music you listen too (HUGE thing here), your needs, and, if I may say, the way you hear. I have posted many times about this so I'll just leave it at that. I will say these new Paradigms look very nice indeed. 2 big thumbs up there. LOVE the feet!!!!  |
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