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Post by Bonzo on Sept 22, 2014 12:30:50 GMT -5
but just fail all on their own, never. This isn't entirely true either. The reflective layer can loose it's mirror like qualities due to contamination (as explained as disc rot). Also, something people don't usually talk about is plastic migration. All plastics migrate over time. The actual time may be very long, but it will happen. Since the 0's and 1's are contained in the plastic material, migration will eventually cause the 0's and 1's to "lose their shape" so to speak. The question that no one can answer with 100% certainty is how long will it take for disc rot or migration to make a CD unreadable. Knowing newspapers have been removed from landfills after 50 years and can still be read, my guess is CD's will be around for quite some time.
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Post by yves on Sept 22, 2014 12:54:40 GMT -5
Yes, but no one really knows when this will happen. Harddrive storage is cheap. So why take the risk? It's still one heck of a lot less of an inconvenience than having to futz around with an optical disc each and every single time when you want to put on another music album or film. I own 14 external harddrives (1x 1TB + 4x 1.5TB + 6x 2TB + 3x 3TB) and my laptop has an internal 1TB harddrive, so that's only 29TB in total, i.e., nothing special these days IMHO.
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 22, 2014 13:03:45 GMT -5
It's still one heck of a lot less of an inconvenience than having to futz around with an optical disc Couldn't disagree more. Similar to people who say downloading is more convenient than having to buy a CD. Total rubbish IMO. I find the whole download thing to be a pain in the ass, especially if you go the legal "purchase" route. Different strokes for different folks.
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Post by DYohn on Sept 22, 2014 13:05:36 GMT -5
Several interesting opinions in this thread. But yes, SACD is dead. In fact it never really had much of a life. At least not commercially.
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Post by melm on Sept 22, 2014 13:17:27 GMT -5
Actually, not dead at all. Sorry. I buy my classical disks from ArkivMusic and Amazon. Plenty of upcoming releases www.arkivmusic.com/classical/AlbumGroup?listAll=1&album_group=4And about 3500 classical titles on hand. I don't see a big future for SACD, but many companies are actively recording with plans well into next year. Hardly dead. Breathing hard. Sure. Has been since they first came out. Mel
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Post by audiosyndrome on Sept 22, 2014 13:43:09 GMT -5
Several interesting opinions in this thread. But yes, SACD is dead. In fact it never really had much of a life. At least not commercially. Certainly not dead for classical lovers like myself and many others. Russ
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Post by moovtune on Sept 22, 2014 14:01:04 GMT -5
Several interesting opinions in this thread. But yes, SACD is dead. In fact it never really had much of a life. At least not commercially. Certainly not dead for classical lovers like myself and many others. Russ +1
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Post by vneal on Nov 20, 2014 17:07:35 GMT -5
For Classical SACD is alive and well I only have a dozen or so rock SACD
The question is really-IS CD DEAD
ANSWER-No but it is dying a slow death with streaming. Especially with younger listeners
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Post by djreef on Nov 21, 2014 9:33:09 GMT -5
OK, so is classical music dead, then?
OBTW, I still buy SACD's when I have the option. The things that killed SACD are many and obvious. Greed had much to do with this. If SONY had had only thrown a few lost leaders out there of relevant NEW material, instead of using the same old rehash 'remastered' format to reissue old works. If you would have gotten a few of the newer top artists jumping onboard with new material, charging the same price as redbook I'm thinking that might have fanned the flames to get this format off the ground to a new generation of music buyers. Instead we got the iPod revolution with the whole 'free' download of lo-rez phenomenon.
SONY really did drop the ball with this format.
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Post by melm on Nov 21, 2014 11:46:03 GMT -5
That's Sony's history. BETAMAX anyone?
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Post by lionear on Nov 21, 2014 14:24:50 GMT -5
This thread has been an interesting read. As for whether a CD is an "archiving medium", the Library of Congress decided against archiving anything on CD's because of the instability of the medium. It may not be much of an issue when it comes to one's music collection. However, you may want to think about how family photos are stored.
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Post by vcautokid on Nov 21, 2014 16:24:04 GMT -5
I was a big proponent of SACD, and some of my studio friends had invested largely in it. When Sony pulled support for SACD from them, I was not thrilled. I think it was/is a wonderful medium that Sony didn't want to go anywhere with. A niche market at best. SACD may not last all that long. But who knows?
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Post by lehighvalleyjeff on Nov 22, 2014 20:35:40 GMT -5
Personally I'm a two channel stereo die-hard.
The question about all of the various formats (cd,sacd,blue ray, dvd-a,etc) that has ALWAYS boggled my mind is the lack of uniformity in the mastering process.
Frankly, I have cd's recorded in the 80's that sound better than some SACD recordings from 2 years ago. I also have some HDCD recordings that sound a lot more realistic than some DSD recordings.
The problem is not in the capability of the formats (redbook cd included) but rather in the wide ranging quality of recordings and horrendous mastering on some recordings. That problem ends up blaming the format.
The inverse is also true. When a new format comes out they make a pristine recording maximizing the technology available and mastering it perfectly and selling everybody about how great the format is. Frankly after 30 years of this nonsense I'm very picky in the recordings I purchase regArdless of the format.
If the industry would stop trying to sell new formats and actually maximize the audio potential of any one of them (redbook cd included) I would be much more inclined to spend more money on better recordings.
Just a disgruntled audiophile!
Cheers
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Post by lehighvalleyjeff on Nov 22, 2014 20:49:18 GMT -5
Oh and to continue on my rant about the format games, I have a Sony s222es sacd player from 2001 and a musical fidelity x-dac (hdcd) along with two monarchy audio jitter filters. I've refused stubbornly to keep throwing money into obsolete to be gear to line the pockets of the generals of the format wars while none of them have maximized the potential from them.
It's sad but true. So I will continue to patronize the boutique labels who cater to quality and great mastering. This includes Mobile fidelity, reference recordings, verve, dcc, audio fidelity and others.
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Post by djreef on Dec 1, 2014 1:02:13 GMT -5
I was a big proponent of SACD, and some of my studio friends had invested largely in it. When Sony pulled support for SACD from them, I was not thrilled. I think it was/is a wonderful medium that Sony didn't want to go anywhere with. A niche market at best. SACD may not last all that long. But who knows? Honestly? SONY may not last that long. They've made some REALLY bird brained business decisions in the last decade that has really hammered their stock price. DJ
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Post by vcautokid on Dec 1, 2014 9:03:10 GMT -5
Uh, um I don't think Sony is going anywhere. Their model of business continues it trials and tribulations, but this company will have to evolve, and be efficient. Their imaging lines are strong, and their panel tech is doing well.
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Post by DYohn on Dec 1, 2014 10:01:35 GMT -5
Sony's death has been forecast many times. Usually by people who do not understand Sony. And they are always wrong. SACD as a viable commercial format never really existed and the attempt to introduce it died a long time ago. CD is heading toward the dustbin of history, but I suspect it will stay dominant as the primary physical medium for another decade. Physical media, however, is absolutely on its way out.
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Post by djoel on Dec 1, 2014 11:20:38 GMT -5
OK, so is classical music dead, then? OBTW, I still buy SACD's when I have the option. The things that killed SACD are many and obvious. Greed had much to do with this. If SONY had had only thrown a few lost leaders out there of relevant NEW material, instead of using the same old rehash 'remastered' format to reissue old works. If you would have gotten a few of the newer top artists jumping onboard with new material, charging the same price as redbook I'm thinking that might have fanned the flames to get this format off the ground to a new generation of music buyers. Instead we got the iPod revolution with the whole 'free' download of lo-rez phenomenon. SONY really did drop the ball with this format. for available SACD titles check out this site www.sa-cd.net/home Good source of what sounds good or not so good check out this thread www.avsforum.com/forum/112-surround-music-formats/907608-what-your-most-recent-hi-res-purchases.htmlAnother great source would be this site forums.stevehoffman.tv/Djoel
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