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Post by Bonzo on Sept 24, 2014 8:38:07 GMT -5
My old Sony is as fast as they come and it takes 5 seconds. The ERC-3 takes about 9. Nothing loads and plays in 1 second, that's an exaggeration. An Oppo Universal takes like 15 seconds from what I remember. My Denon Universal takes like 17 to 19 seconds from what I recall. My Sony 557ESD goes 0-60 in 1 sec with the disc already in drive. With disc tray out it takes little over 1.5 sec.  I wish I could post a video here. All times are with the tray out and you hit play. Disc already in time isn't relevant. Sorry, until you post that video I don't believe from tray out to play is 1.5 seconds. Since 1985 I've never seen anything that fast. The thing that makes these older CD players so fast is that they only play CD's. The player does not have to "think" before playing. Most newer players play something other than just regular CD's, like MP3 etc. Universal players will do SACD, DVD-A, Blu-ray, DVD-V, MP3, FLAC, CD and even more. These players have to "think" first. |
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Post by dcl on Sept 30, 2014 10:24:09 GMT -5
My first pos here, friends, and it is at the caboose of this thread. The refurbished ERC-3 just purchased as a gift shows impressive design & build quality and a noise mentioned by other members. Up close or sitting ten feet away a sound not unlike a muffled version of playing-card-in-biccycle-spokes is audible. While this may be a fun sound for kids it is a distracting noise to music at low volumes & during quiet interludes.. Double checking myself I listened to three other CD players each over a decade old & one being an alarm/radio/CD player unit–all are quiet, there is no audible sound unless just about pressing an ear to them. It is not a sound one would expect to just improve or go away within the thirty day return guarantee period or the five year warranty. This post is not intended to be contentious or disparaging of Emotiva, I have contacted Tech Support & look forward to a remedy. Best to all!
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Post by teaman on Sept 30, 2014 11:35:37 GMT -5
Welcome to the Emporium dcl. I agree with you, I own several old school Technics CD players and they are still silent after twenty years of use. Something is obviously out of sync with the new transport of the ERC-3. The fact that some are affected while others are not is a puzzle to me. Personally I listen loud enough or through headphones that the noise does not deter me, but it is rather bothersome when comparing the ERC-1 and ERC-2 which I also own and how completely quiet running they are.
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Post by garbulky on Sept 30, 2014 12:07:51 GMT -5
The ERC-3 uses a different loader. Maybe that has something to do with it?
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Post by paintedklown on Sept 30, 2014 12:48:08 GMT -5
hmmmm. I'm hesitant to say this. I have two CD-1's .. Kinda like a ERC-2 . Both were dead quiet until about a week ago when I heard a whirling (?) sound coming from one of them. I appraised the situation from all sides and decided it needed a gentle urging to start behaving again. I gave it a quick rap directly on top. Voila! I'm two for two. Last week my third microwave stopped working in the last 3 years. Having nothing to lose i gave it an overhand right to the digital display. No B.S. Both are working perfectly. And if a 9 seconds loading time is going to make a difference in your life, I would suggest getting up earlier.  . LOL'd Sometimes you just gotta keep your gear in line!  Too funny man, and the crazy thing is that it actually worked!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 13:02:41 GMT -5
My old Sony is as fast as they come and it takes 5 seconds. The ERC-3 takes about 9. Nothing loads and plays in 1 second, that's an exaggeration. An Oppo Universal takes like 15 seconds from what I remember. My Denon Universal takes like 17 to 19 seconds from what I recall. My Sony 557ESD goes 0-60 in 1 sec with the disc already in drive. With disc tray out it takes little over 1.5 sec. I wish I could post a video here. Load your video to YouTube (as private if you wish) and post the link here. |
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Post by jmilton on Sept 30, 2014 13:30:25 GMT -5
My Sony 557ESD goes 0-60 in 1 sec with the disc already in drive. With disc tray out it takes little over 1.5 sec. I wish I could post a video here. Load your video to YouTube (as private if you wish) and post the link here. ![]()  |
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Post by dcl on Oct 1, 2014 7:45:05 GMT -5
The response from Emotiva was prompt, courteous & informative. What did I learn?
"The ERC-3 actually uses a DVD mechanism and has a rotational speed that is significantly higher than other CD transports that are on the market. In addition the ERC-3 transport is much more powerful and is able to read discs that are unreadable in other players. Obviously with all these benefits there are a couple of trade offs however the noise from the unit should be minimal unless if it is an off balance disc."
Playing multiple discs, wondering if disc irregularity ("off balance") contributed to the noise, found that CDs had no bearing on the noise, they all played without noise on the other players. Perhaps shipping vibrations and jostles had effects– the double boxing is unscathed. I appreciate the information on the ERC-3 transport, the engineers no doubt have been very discerning in the design. Emotiva has authorized a refund, an exception from the warehouse sale policy. My dealings with Emotiva have been pleasant & efficient, I will be sorry to see the ERC-3 go.
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Post by kkennally on Oct 1, 2014 9:25:36 GMT -5
I have transport noise in my ERC-3 as well. My ERC-2 had the same issue and I just thought it had to do with the magnetic front loading so I upgraded to the ERC-3........Same thing. I play my music loud enough not to hear the transport from 10 feet away but I am going to replace it when I get the chance.
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Post by dvbeav on Oct 2, 2014 15:43:17 GMT -5
The response from Emotiva was prompt, courteous & informative. What did I learn?
"The ERC-3 actually uses a DVD mechanism and has a rotational speed that is significantly higher than other CD transports that are on the market. In addition the ERC-3 transport is much more powerful and is able to read discs that are unreadable in other players. Obviously with all these benefits there are a couple of trade offs however the noise from the unit should be minimal unless if it is an off balance disc."
Playing multiple discs, wondering if disc irregularity ("off balance") contributed to the noise, found that CDs had no bearing on the noise, they all played without noise on the other players. Perhaps shipping vibrations and jostles had effects– the double boxing is unscathed. I appreciate the information on the ERC-3 transport, the engineers no doubt have been very discerning in the design. Emotiva has authorized a refund, an exception from the warehouse sale policy. My dealings with Emotiva have been pleasant & efficient, I will be sorry to see the ERC-3 go.
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Post by dvbeav on Oct 2, 2014 15:50:41 GMT -5
I'm having trouble understanding why some owners are saying that their ERC-3 is quiet. I could easily do without a "more powerful" transport as I don't use unplayable discs and could care less if it takes a little longer to load and move around the tracks.
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 3, 2014 18:20:09 GMT -5
I finally had a few minutes to dig out the trusty SPL meter and measure the ERC-3 noise levels. With ambient around 40 db, occasionally 50 db (it's spring time and the Kookaburras are chuckling) I can't get any reading from the ERC-3 even with the SPL meter microphone 1 mm away from the loading tray. I tied the Panasonic BD player, it's about 1 or 2 db above ambient also 1 mm away from the loading tray. The Toshiba DVD player is the same, around 1 to 2 db above ambient. The Oppo 103 is also below ambient. All of them were tested with both a CD (Steve Winwood) and a hybrid SACD (Legends), playing the first, middle and last tracks. None of them are technically silent, but since they are at or below ambient they are most certainly inaudible.
If you have a particularly quiet room then maybe you'll get a different result.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by TheMachinist on Oct 11, 2014 11:08:44 GMT -5
My Sony 557ESD goes 0-60 in 1 sec with the disc already in drive. With disc tray out it takes little over 1.5 sec. I wish I could post a video here. Load your video to YouTube (as private if you wish) and post the link here. Didn't know you guys were on it while I was away.. np, here goes my first YouTube upload... You can count 1 hippopotamus, 2 hippopotamus....  but it does feel solid and zippy fast |
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Post by stiehl11 on Oct 11, 2014 13:27:29 GMT -5
^^^According to your video (and my stopwatch) looks like about 4 seconds from the time your door closes to the time 00:00 pops up on your display.
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Post by lionear on Oct 11, 2014 15:55:50 GMT -5
The response from Emotiva was prompt, courteous & informative. What did I learn?
"The ERC-3 actually uses a DVD mechanism and has a rotational speed that is significantly higher than other CD transports that are on the market. In addition the ERC-3 transport is much more powerful and is able to read discs that are unreadable in other players. Obviously with all these benefits there are a couple of trade offs however the noise from the unit should be minimal unless if it is an off balance disc."
Playing multiple discs, wondering if disc irregularity ("off balance") contributed to the noise, found that CDs had no bearing on the noise, they all played without noise on the other players. Perhaps shipping vibrations and jostles had effects– the double boxing is unscathed. I appreciate the information on the ERC-3 transport, the engineers no doubt have been very discerning in the design. Emotiva has authorized a refund, an exception from the warehouse sale policy. My dealings with Emotiva have been pleasant & efficient, I will be sorry to see the ERC-3 go.
And if you need to play an off balance disc, there's this: www.musicdirect.com/p-6975-audio-desk-systeme-cd-lathe-sound-improving-system.aspxI don't think the price is very good though. I think one can get a full-blown (mini) lathe at that price. |
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Post by todcp on Oct 30, 2014 13:44:01 GMT -5
OMG!!!
Just set up my new ERC-3. I am blown away. I had been running an old Pioneer Elite DV-47ai and a new $180 Sony DVD/SACD. The Pioneer was better for CD's and SACD's than the new Sony that I bought primarily for movies. Alway thought CD could never be anything like an excellent vinyl recording. I was wrong.
The ERC-3 rivals my Rega TT with modded RB250 tone arm. A bit different but awesome.
I still like and enjoy my TT but now my large CD collection is back out and I am hearing these CD's with an entirely deeper appreciation. Listening as I type to a Mobile Fidelity CD of "Brothers in Arms. The base is tight and pops. Even hearing details I never had previously.
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Sony Receiver RX-A2000 with a Perreaux PMF 2150B (this vintage amp rocks with ridiculously good specs. total silence and powerful). Front speakers are Paradigm Studio 100v4. The CD's sound best to me with the Sony receiver in Direct Mode.
If you are still on the fence run to the fall sale and jump on this.
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Post by TheMachinist on Nov 18, 2014 4:46:23 GMT -5
OMG 2x!!
Bought a ERC-3 due to itch, and received it last weekend round the globe in Singapore. I was not expecting much as I already owned a DC-1 which sounded similar and had a impressive Sony 557-ESD. This is finally the CD player which makes me want to listen more and more. I can listen to it for hours. Sound is close to analogue, natural, non fatiguing, well balanced with good weight and speed. Amazing player, with handsome smart looks and cool with all black faceplate and blue leds. Its shines in my rack.
Only complains switching from Sony 557-ESD is that bloody slow motion loading speed and the cheap feel and noisy transport.
Comparing DC-1 and ERC-3, here goes: Using ERC-3 as transport with Belden 1800F aes/ebu to DC-1, the DC-1 sounds a little rough with sibilance and sharper highs. Not good on the ears, a little fatiguing.
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Post by todcp on Nov 18, 2014 9:26:49 GMT -5
A quick follow up. I have a very quiet dedicated listening and HT room with isolation walls and ceiling and GIK acoustic panels.. I sit ten feet away and my transport is quiet. Though it is not as quiet as my current Sony DVD player nor my former Pioneer Elite 47i but not noticeable unless I listen very carefully and within a few feet.
From the posts here it seems some are noisier than others. Maybe with time it will become noisier? Hope not.
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Post by novisnick on Nov 18, 2014 9:41:19 GMT -5
OMG 2x!! Bought a ERC-3 due to itch, and received it last weekend round the globe in Singapore. I was not expecting much as I already owned a DC-1 which sounded similar and had a impressive Sony 557-ESD. This is finally the CD player which makes me want to listen more and more. I can listen to it for hours. Sound is close to analogue, natural, non fatiguing, well balanced with good weight and speed. Amazing player, with handsome smart looks and cool with all black faceplate and blue leds. Its shines in my rack. Only complains switching from Sony 557-ESD is that bloody slow motion loading speed and the cheap feel and noisy transport. Comparing DC-1 and ERC-3, here goes: Using ERC-3 as transport with Belden 1800F aes/ebu to DC-1, the DC-1 sounds a little rough with sibilance and sharper highs. Not good on the ears, a little fatiguing. Would you be kind enough to expand on your comparison of the DC-1 vs ERC-3? are you running the ERC-3 through the DC-1? thanks. 8) |
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Post by TheMachinist on Nov 18, 2014 11:09:27 GMT -5
Would you be kind enough to expand on your comparison of the DC-1 vs ERC-3? are you running the ERC-3 through the DC-1? thanks. 8) That's right, I run the ERC-3 as a transport to the DC-1 via aes/ebu digital out in order to test the DC-1 against the ERC-3. Down the stream being Marantz 3200, Marantz 170DC and pair of Dali Ikon 6. I feel the DC-1 and ERC-3 sound ditto and almost in distinguishable. The ERC-3 on its own sounds perfect with no artifacts, sibilance which I get if I use the DC-1 to do the D/A. These artifacts though minor could be due to the aes/ebu cable I used, or different power cords and interconnects being used for ERC-3 and DC-1. I would have to interchange and report back my experience. |
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I wish I could post a video here.
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Too funny man, and the crazy thing is that it actually worked!!! 
but it does feel solid and zippy fast
