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Post by redog on Sept 27, 2014 17:51:48 GMT -5
This little guy has me so impressed. It's driving my Triton 2's with room to spare. Has me thinking, should I take the dive into XPA-2 or XPR-2 is it worth the investment.
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Post by repeetavx on Sept 27, 2014 18:04:12 GMT -5
Has me thinking, should I take the dive into XPA-2 or XPR-2 is it worth the investment. And so it starts. Welcome to the club.
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Post by sahmen on Sept 27, 2014 18:11:25 GMT -5
The recommended amplifier power for the Triton 2s is: 20–500W. So it seems that upgrading is a no-brainer, even if the Mini-X gen 2 seems to be doing alright by them now... Besides, as the old, seasoned, and wise audiophile veteran has repeated ad infinitum, "you can never have too much power." Seems like the XPA-2 would be the least you can do. If money is no concern, then you might as well try the XPR-2, and see where that takes you.... Or if money is indeed a concern, how about a couple of XPA-1L monoblock bad boys (which are now on sale for a killer price?)... The possibilities and options are quite rich here... I guess it all depends on what you want to get out of your Tritons... If you're upgrading for mainly 2-channel stereo music, then I say why not?
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Post by plm on Sept 27, 2014 18:12:34 GMT -5
My recommendation if you don't need masses of power would be to get a pair of XPA-1Ls. You'd have a fully-differential pair of amps then, and the only way you can get this is with the monos, plus the ability to run at 35W class A. If you're getting the power you need from the Mini-X then this would likely serve you better than the XPA-2 or XPR-2 as you'd be getting the high-bias plus fully differential configuration over both of these.
If you need more power then I'd be looking at the XPA-1s, or even the XPR-1s.
I got my XPR-1s before the Gen 2 XPA-1s came out, and it would be a tough decision between them now. High power? Or 60W class A? I also have the XPA-1Ls and love those, particularly in Class A mode.
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Post by oppman99 on Sept 27, 2014 20:58:14 GMT -5
From someone who has been down the more power path, if what you have is performing to your liking then stick with it. I know someone will chime in about opening up you speakers and headroom. Ignore the hype. I went from an XPA-2, to a pair of XPA-1s and then finally to a 100wpc integrated. No significant upgrade going to the monoblocks for me. My current integrated is IMO better sounding than the 1's.
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Post by Priapulus on Sept 27, 2014 21:08:47 GMT -5
> This little guy has me so impressed. It's driving my Triton 2's with room to spare. If it works, why fix it? Save your money for something that will make a difference.
> or XPR-2 Really? Talk about mounting a jet engine on a skateboard...
Sincerely /b
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Post by sct on Sept 27, 2014 21:59:45 GMT -5
If the Min-X is giving you all the volume you need and then some - and I'm sure it does considering the efficiency of the Tritons and their built-in subs having their own amp - spending money on an XPA-2 or, for heaven's sake an XPR-2, would be a total waste of money. Don't listen to those guys who are simply trying to get you to spend money foolishly...
SCT
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Post by sahmen on Sept 28, 2014 2:03:07 GMT -5
Ouch! LOL! These queries regarding power amplification and sq always give rise to conflicting responses, and that is not surprising because listening experiences differ, not to mention the dizzying variations in combinations and permutations in which audio components may be rigged up in any system. Sadly, it seems to me that many enthusiasts who respond to such queries do so without having any first hand experiences of the exact components in question, and simply generalize from their own limited experience with their own components. When you add the inevitable factor of differing personal hearing limitations and listening skills, the complications seem to multiply almost endlessly.
That said, it is never my wish to trick or mislead an inquirer into throwing money away "foolishly," by getting them to chase differences in sq that cannot be heard... I personally don't have much disposable income to throw away on such "foolish" excesses, and would not wish that on anyone else... Accordingly, I have to say that it is rather unpleasant to be called out (via direct or implied insinuations) for doing that, when all I am actually doing is trying to help a fellow lounge member who is trying to improve his system by making a legitimate inquiry!
Still, in this particular case, I think the answer is quite simple, thanks to Emotiva's generous 30-day return policy. The OP can satisfy his own curiosity by trying out any amp or combination of amps (with the exception of the XPA-1Ls, which cannot be returned) in his system in order to find out what sounds best (in that system) to his own ears, which have to be the ultimate, and most reliable litmus test in this whole debate. If he should find the XPA or XPR amp(s) to be worth his investment***, then he can keep it/them, and who are we to cry wolf?... If not, then he can return it/them for a full refund and none of his money would be wasted. The saddest options, in my view, are either to throw money away on expensive components which would make little to no difference in system enhancement, or to stifle one's own sense of adventure and discovery by listening to too many naysayers. In the light of these considerations, my advice would be just that : experiment in order to find out what sounds best! Especially, since Emotiva makes it possible for you to do that at little to no cost to yourself (should you decide that the upgrades are not worth it).
***PS. By referring to purchasing audio equipment as an "investment," I am not using the word in strictly financial/speculative terms (it is not as if what should matter most in audio purchases is the equipment's resale value ; I, at least, do not see things that way). When one "invests" money in great audio equipment, as any hobbyist does in any pursuit they're passionate about, one expects benefits in the form of pleasures, gratifications, and satisfactions that cannot always be calculated or measured in, or reduced to $$$. For many hobbyists, the "returns" that count most in such "Investments," are the years of satisfaction and pleasure they'll get from what they've purchased. Considerations about resale value, while important, are secondary at best, in such cases.
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Post by brubacca on Sept 28, 2014 7:50:10 GMT -5
First of all stereo equipment is not an investment. Not saying not to do it, but it will go down in value. If you like the mini-x why do more? If it meets your needs don't spend more money on equipment, spend it on music. Emotiva's return policy does all you to try something new for very little risk, although you pay return shipping. The Triton 2 is 91 dB efficient. So if you sit 15 ft away from them you are getting about 98 dB peak at your listening position. (This is 30dB louder than I listen, how about you?) A XPA-2 (300W ) will get you about 106 dB peak. Is that worth $900? Do you need it? I use this website to calculate the dB, myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.htmlThe mini-x an awesome little amp. Enjoy it.
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Post by Davecski65 on Sept 28, 2014 7:51:28 GMT -5
So whats different between Gen1 and Gen 2 mini-x? I have gen1 mini-x and luv this little amp,right now doing duty in its box as I got stealths 6 ,but I rem when I had it hooked to some bookshelf speakers and how different they sounded then hooked to my vintage rotel reciver.
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Post by frenchyfranky on Sept 28, 2014 12:01:40 GMT -5
> This little guy has me so impressed. It's driving my Triton 2's with room to spare. If it works, why fix it? Save your money for something that will make a difference. > or XPR-2 Really? Talk about mounting a jet engine on a skateboard... Sincerely /b What's wrong about a jet engine on a skateboard?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 28, 2014 12:24:18 GMT -5
... Don't listen to those guys who are simply trying to get you to spend money foolishly... The OP is the one who suggested he might like these larger amps, others (who've maybe tried it) are agreeing with his thoughts. So you're rudely calling anyone who'd like to upgrade from the smallest Emo amp to something better foolish. This hobbie is about more than decibels and participating in a forum is about more than putting people down.
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Post by redog on Sept 28, 2014 12:39:28 GMT -5
Not to step on anyone's feet, but I do already own a larger amp. The crown xls 1500. The Crown is definitely a superior product to the Mini-X. I was just saying that the Mini was pretty impressive for its price/size. There is no way I would take the Mini over the Crown with these speakers.
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Post by linvincible on Nov 21, 2014 10:16:26 GMT -5
I read on a thread I can't find any more about an upgrade of the Mini X to have selectable inputs and maybe something else, does anyone remember? I want to build a small system for my sister with some leftover speakers (Mission M73) and the mini-X would be perfect I just don't want to miss out the multiple entries if that's in the pipe!
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Post by brubacca on Nov 21, 2014 10:26:40 GMT -5
I don't believe that the mini-x is going to get selectable inputs. The Sherbourn version of the amp had these, but it was not carried over to the mini-x version. If you can still find one the PA2-50 is a great little amp.
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Post by cwmcobra on Nov 21, 2014 10:29:28 GMT -5
Check out the latest podcast. Lonnie talks about the soon to be released "Flex" system. Sounds to me like a small integrated amp based on the Mini-X.
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Post by audiogeek on Nov 21, 2014 10:29:52 GMT -5
I read on a thread I can't find any more about an upgrade of the Mini X to have selectable inputs and maybe something else, does anyone remember? I want to build a small system for my sister with some leftover speakers (Mission M73) and the mini-X would be perfect I just don't want to miss out the multiple entries if that's in the pipe! Listen to the podcast... the new flex amp sounds liek a perfect solution.
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Post by audiogeek on Nov 21, 2014 10:30:17 GMT -5
Dang... we posted almost the same instant.
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Post by boomzilla on Nov 21, 2014 10:30:41 GMT -5
If the Mini-X provides sufficient volume, I doubt that you'd have much difference from a more powerful amp. When we had a "amp shootout," we had difficulty telling the Mini-X from other, much larger amps. The Mini-X is one of the best values in Emotiva's line, IMHO. The other best buy (for really inefficient or difficult-to-drive speakers) is the XPA-2. So far as amplifiers, there's not a bad one in Emotiva's lineup, in my opinion (and I say this as one who has owned most of the models).
So try the larger amps if you want, but don't sell that Mini-X!
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Post by brubacca on Nov 21, 2014 12:55:19 GMT -5
If it's not on the website, it doesn't exist....
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