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Post by moko on Oct 22, 2014 11:56:57 GMT -5
this thread gives me an idea.
instead of mating MMG with a sub, how about a pair of woofers in 2 boxes ? each box contains an 8 inch 8 ohms woofer in closed cabinet and a 12 inch 8 ohms in ported cabinet. yes, i know sub can produce the deepest bass but most big ported subs cannot handle 100-200 hz good enough. in other words : lack of speed and dynamics.
modify the crossover in MMG with high pass filter 12 db/octave at let say 200 hz. put a low pass filter to the 8 inch woofer 12 db/octave @200 hz. then a 24 db/octave @100 hz low pass filter for 12 inch woofer. so it's a 3 1/2 way speaker with impedance of maybe 3-4 ohms.
this way you'll get the dynamic of cone speakers, deep and impactful bass and a bit increase of sensitivity due to shallow roll-off of 12 db/octave filter. do you think it will be a pair of speakers that can rock your world ?
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Post by pedrocols on Oct 22, 2014 12:23:34 GMT -5
Those are some very nice speakers but pricey stuff. You are right on both claims. I love the richness of there cabinets but also the quality parts, the crossovers for example that go into the SALK speaker. Can't say I will definitely be purchasing the SALKS but I am seriously making that consideration. I was looking at the VERACITY HT3....$5995.00...with the upgrades I would LIKE to have add another 1K for a grand total of $6995.00. That is a lot of dough in my household also to lay down that kind of money for speakers but I know I can get a good price on my B&W804S speaker which by the way are in pristine condition and are in a smoke free house with a de-clawed cat that never comes near any of my equipment. I expect to only lay out about 5K of my own money which I have $1500.00 saved and the rest will be coming in from some positive cash flow. As you probably know the SALK speaker is not available at your local audio, video stores. They are located in Pontiac Michegan. The only way I could demo these speakers is by going to Michegan or waiting for next years audio shows and experience them at the show. The latter is probably what I will do and bring the Mrs along for a mini vacation. My downfall is that I lack patience and I do have to control myself since these audio shows will not be in some cases another six months. In the meantime I will be doing a lot of listening. As a matter of fact I am suppose to go to STEREO EXCHANGE in New York this Friday with a friend of mine to look at their massive collection of audio equipment. Sorry, I did not mean to HIJACK this thread. My apologies. Upgrading crossover can also get pricey very quickly! I "upgraded" the crossover and I spent a good chunk on parts only. |
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 22, 2014 12:53:20 GMT -5
So are you saying this are like the old LCD TV's...if you moved more than 3-5 feet from the center you couldn't make anything out? Why would you waste your time watching your favorite show or movie if you are going to be moving around. If you want to be moving around while listening to your favorite tunes just get a nice pair of cans... It's not "moving around" that causes the problem. It's sitting to one side or another. Maggys are terrific when sitting in that one seat sweet spot. But move over just one position and the sound changes. Move over 2 spots and it changes a lot. Same goes for electrostats like Martin Logan. The lesser dynamics gets canceled out for me by the fantastic "airy" sound. The teeny weeny sweet spot does not. So for me, these are awesome speakers for doing 2 channel listening with a chair that's in the perfect spot. For a multi-purpose music - home theater - bar room like mine, they are not the best choice in my opinion. |
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Post by pedrocols on Oct 22, 2014 13:00:30 GMT -5
Why would you waste your time watching your favorite show or movie if you are going to be moving around. If you want to be moving around while listening to your favorite tunes just get a nice pair of cans... It's not "moving around" that causes the problem. It's sitting to one side or another. Maggys are terrific when sitting in that one seat sweet spot. But move over just one position and the sound changes. Move over 2 spots and it changes a lot. Same goes for electrostats like Martin Logan. The lesser dynamics gets canceled out for me by the fantastic "airy" sound. The teeny weeny sweet spot does not. So for me, these are awesome speakers for doing 2 channel listening with a chair that's in the perfect spot. For a multi-purpose music - home theater - bar room like mine, they are not the best choice in my opinion. You mentioned "move over"at least twice in your post. That seems to me the same as, like I mentioned, "moving around." |
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 22, 2014 13:14:09 GMT -5
It's not "moving around" that causes the problem. It's sitting to one side or another. Maggys are terrific when sitting in that one seat sweet spot. But move over just one position and the sound changes. Move over 2 spots and it changes a lot. Same goes for electrostats like Martin Logan. The lesser dynamics gets canceled out for me by the fantastic "airy" sound. The teeny weeny sweet spot does not. So for me, these are awesome speakers for doing 2 channel listening with a chair that's in the perfect spot. For a multi-purpose music - home theater - bar room like mine, they are not the best choice in my opinion. You mentioned "move over"at least twice in your post. That seems to me the same as, like I mentioned, "moving around." No, it's not. What I was referring to is moving over from the sweet spot. How else do you get from one seat to another? As in, gee, the wife sits in the sweet spot, while you have to sit off to the side. No one watches a blu-ray movie seriously while walking around the room, so in that situation your point is mute. They do move over from the sweet spot and watch them from off to the side, and that's where LCD TV's and Maggies don't do as well. Now I do listen to music while walking around the room, but I'm also not listening to it seriously for audiophile purposes at that point. But I also have friends over to listen to music, and for that purpose, Maggies don't work very well because everyone hears something different. To hear it in the sweet spot everyone would have to move around and constantly switch spots. Musical chairs is not what I want to be doing. |
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Post by Cogito on Oct 22, 2014 13:47:35 GMT -5
I keep reading how small the sweet spot is on the Maggies. In my experience, there is certainly a sweet spot where the speakers do sound the best (imaging, depth, tone, etc.) But this is the case with virtually EVERY loudspeaker system. Of course the sound changes as you move about. This again, happens with virtually every speaker system. Is the sweet spot on the Maggies smaller than box speakers? On average, I say yes, but NOT dramatically so. I DO have my sweet spot set up, but if I decide to lay down on the couch 4 feet away, the sound I hear from the Maggies is STILL wonderful. No, the imaging isn't the same, but it's certainly listenable. Most of what makes Maggies sound so good is still present off axis too.
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Post by pedrocols on Oct 22, 2014 14:08:34 GMT -5
You mentioned "move over"at least twice in your post. That seems to me the same as, like I mentioned, "moving around." No, it's not. What I was referring to is moving over from the sweet spot. How else do you get from one seat to another? As in, gee, the wife sits in the sweet spot, while you have to sit off to the side. No one watches a blu-ray movie seriously while walking around the room, so in that situation your point is mute. They do move over from the sweet spot and watch them from off to the side, and that's where LCD TV's and Maggies don't do as well. Now I do listen to music while walking around the room, but I'm also not listening to it seriously for audiophile purposes at that point. But I also have friends over to listen to music, and for that purpose, Maggies don't work very well because everyone hears something different. To hear it in the sweet spot everyone would have to move around and constantly switch spots. Musical chairs is not what I want to be doing. I understand your point. However, why would you move from the sweet spot? Of course this only applies for critical listening. And yes, some people walk around watching a movie. I've done it done it when I had a projector.In addition, I am selfish and I don't share my sweet spot with my friends. They can go ahead and get his or her own. Ultimately, is up to the individual to decide if he or she likes it. |
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Post by audiobill on Oct 22, 2014 14:14:38 GMT -5
You mentioned "move over"at least twice in your post. That seems to me the same as, like I mentioned, "moving around." No, it's not. What I was referring to is moving over from the sweet spot. How else do you get from one seat to another? As in, gee, the wife sits in the sweet spot, while you have to sit off to the side. No one watches a blu-ray movie seriously while walking around the room, so in that situation your point is mute. They do move over from the sweet spot and watch them from off to the side, and that's where LCD TV's and Maggies don't do as well. Now I do listen to music while walking around the room, but I'm also not listening to it seriously for audiophile purposes at that point. But I also have friends over to listen to music, and for that purpose, Maggies don't work very well because everyone hears something different. To hear it in the sweet spot everyone would have to move around and constantly switch spots. Musical chairs is not what I want to be doing. "Wife in the sweet spot". WTF? |
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Post by mgbpuff on Oct 22, 2014 14:39:36 GMT -5
What a bunch of silly replies. Maggies are great speakers, but they have some unique set up problems. They need space around them, they are large and relatively unstable so they're not a good candidate for either a drunken man cave or a Chinese efficiency apartment. They can be driven by smaller amplifiers, but that's where they get the reputation for being undynamic. They truly only come to life with ample power which then reveals that they can sound startling life like. Decorative minded women tend to want to either dismiss them entirely or to try to use them as decorative screens, so if you have one of these (decorative minded women) then forget it, go for Bose.
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Post by garbulky on Oct 22, 2014 15:02:32 GMT -5
this thread gives me an idea. instead of mating MMG with a sub, how about a pair of woofers in 2 boxes ? each box contains an 8 inch 8 ohms woofer in closed cabinet and a 12 inch 8 ohms in ported cabinet. yes, i know sub can produce the deepest bass but most big ported subs cannot handle 100-200 hz good enough. in other words : lack of speed and dynamics. modify the crossover in MMG with high pass filter 12 db/octave at let say 200 hz. put a low pass filter to the 8 inch woofer 12 db/octave @200 hz. then a 24 db/octave @100 hz low pass filter for 12 inch woofer. so it's a 3 1/2 way speaker with impedance of maybe 3-4 ohms. this way you'll get the dynamic of cone speakers, deep and impactful bass and a bit increase of sensitivity due to shallow roll-off of 12 db/octave filter. do you think it will be a pair of speakers that can rock your world ? Hi moko. You may be interested in just such a speaker (though it's technically not the same stuff as in a maggie): www.martinlogan.com/ethos/index.php P.S.: Boomzilla is selling a pair of martin logan's right now for a very nice price. |
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 22, 2014 15:54:09 GMT -5
In addition, I am selfish and I don't share my sweet spot with my friends. Well that's not me. The general point being that if you want to hear Maggies and Martin Logan's really strut there stuff, you HAVE to be in a very small narrow sweet spot. They are phenomenal in that spot, but only in that spot. The farther away you get from that spot, the less great they sound. Why leave the sweet spot? Well what if I feel like laying down in the corner of my couch while watching a movie? What if I'm listening to music standing up behind my bar? Not all listening or watching for me is done while always sitting in a sweet spot. Frankly, I'd find that pretty lame. Hence why in my house as it is, will not have these speakers. Now if I had a dedicated 2 channel music only room, THEN Maggies and Martin Logan's are at the top of a very short list. |
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Post by pedrocols on Oct 22, 2014 16:03:42 GMT -5
In addition, I am selfish and I don't share my sweet spot with my friends. Well that's not me. The general point being that if you want to hear Maggies and Martin Logan's really strut there stuff, you HAVE to be in a very small narrow sweet spot. They are phenomenal in that spot, but only in that spot. The farther away you get from that spot, the less great they sound. Why leave the sweet spot? Well what if I feel like laying down in the corner of my couch while watching a movie? What if I'm listening to music standing up behind my bar? Not all listening or watching for me is done while always sitting in a sweet spot. Frankly, I'd find that pretty lame. Hence why in my house as it is, will not have these speakers. Now if I had a dedicated 2 channel music only room, THEN Maggies and Martin Logan's are at the top of a very short list. Precisely. That is why I am a 2 channel guy! |
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Post by ludi on Oct 22, 2014 16:07:25 GMT -5
From my own expericene in my room the Maggies 1.5 had a small sweet spot, but with the 1.7 it is no longer the case (I skipped the 1.6). As long as i don't move to the extreem left or right side of my room the 1.7 is balanced. In other rooms it might be different.
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 22, 2014 16:18:42 GMT -5
Precisely. That is why I am a 2 channel guy! That tiny TV in your avatar picture says a lot.  Things in life evolve. In college 25 years ago I was 2 channel music only. Slowly over the years that has changed. Now, while I'd like to say it's still all about the music, in reality, I'd guess 90% (or more) of the time my system actually gets used is for TV and movies. We enjoy it either way and that's what it's all about.  |
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Post by audiobill on Oct 22, 2014 16:23:27 GMT -5
As for me, I put a blanket over my TV 90% of the time I use my system!!  ? |
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Post by pedrocols on Oct 22, 2014 16:27:55 GMT -5
Precisely. That is why I am a 2 channel guy! That tiny TV in your avatar picture says a lot. Things in life evolve. In college 25 years ago I was 2 channel music only. Slowly over the years that has changed. Now, while I'd like to say it's still all about the music, in reality, I'd guess 90% (or more) of the time my system actually gets used is for TV and movies. We enjoy it either way and that's what it's all about. I like to live a simple life. No wife, no children, two speakers, on sweet spot, one listener....  |
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Post by fyrn on Oct 22, 2014 16:39:35 GMT -5
This is getting out of control!
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Post by pedrocols on Oct 22, 2014 16:43:26 GMT -5
This is getting out of control! You must be new around here...  |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 22, 2014 17:04:15 GMT -5
I find the sweet spot on my 1.7's is wide and really sweet.
Mark
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Post by moko on Oct 23, 2014 5:41:44 GMT -5
garbulky, i thought boom is selling the aeon version ? i think the MMG still more interisting in the price point of view.
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