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Post by kkennally on Nov 19, 2014 14:06:47 GMT -5
I owned a pair of MMG's about 9 months ago and replaced them with box speakers (Klipsch RF82 II's). At the time my music room was small and could not accommodate a speaker that I could have 18" of space between them and the back wall.
I now have a much larger music room and want to go back to the Magnepans. My budget allows for the following two models (Super MMG with base panel)$1200 or the (MG12) $1200.
Does anyone have experience with the super MMG's and the MG12?
Thanks,
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Post by pedrocols on Nov 19, 2014 14:45:51 GMT -5
I currently have the MG12. However, I have never listened to the super MMGs.
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Post by kkennally on Nov 19, 2014 15:26:59 GMT -5
From what I have read the Super MMG's are a tuned pair of MMG's (hot-rodded) with a DWM bass panel. With the bass panel you get the same feq response as the 1.7's (5hz lower than the MG12 and 1 khz higher)
From Magnepan:
"No, the Super MMG is not an MMG with a Bass Panel. It is more than just better bass. The basic MMG has been "hot-rodded" for better sound. The Super MMG essentially adds the Bass Panel and converts the system into a 3-way speaker---giving better bass, midrange and highs. No, it is not the sonic equal of the 1.7, but for $1199, the Super MMG is a great bargain that is easily mail-ordered.
The Bass Panel is analogous to going from a 12-inch to a 15-inch woofer. But, don't think of it as a subwoofer. Yes, it provides deeper bass in a larger room than a MMG because the total bass radiating area gets a better "bite" on the air. It is a similar principle as the MMG bass section---just more of it.
We introduced the Super MMG as the 2013 Newport show to invite direct A-B comparisons with mega-buck box speakers down the hall."
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Post by Cogito on Nov 19, 2014 15:49:49 GMT -5
I think you'd be better served buying the MMGs for $599 and augmenting them with a high quality and inexpensive sub like the SVS SB-1000 for $499.99. Your bass will certainly be more extended and allow the MMGs do what they do best, lower mids on up. I think you find the dynamics of the combo to be quite extraordinary. The $100 you save will buy you a few more CDs to enjoy.
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Post by kkennally on Nov 19, 2014 16:00:04 GMT -5
I have read a few negative things about adding a sub (box subs have a hard time keeping up with the speed of the magnepans) and that is where the Magnepan DWM bass panel comes in.
If I were to go with the MMG + Sub then wouldn't I be better with the MG12 + Sub?
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Post by moko on Nov 19, 2014 16:42:32 GMT -5
why not trying 1.7 ? they have promo for 1.7.
"We’ll pay you CASH to hear the Magneplanar 1.7
That’s right!
Not only will we pay the freight both ways, but we’ll pay you $100 for your trouble if you aren’t impressed and want to return our Magneplanar 1.7s after a 30 day home trial. (We are that confident that you will want to keep them.)"
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Post by pedrocols on Nov 19, 2014 16:47:57 GMT -5
I use two 15" subwoofers with my MG12 with good results. However, the subwofers are optimized to integrate well from my listening position. Magnepan speakers are placement sensitive but I am sure you already know that.
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Post by klinemj on Nov 19, 2014 17:39:24 GMT -5
First, I would really consider the 1.7's. They are magnificent. If you can in any way stretch your budget w/o breaking it - go for it.
If you can't, I have not found sub integration with my 1.7's a challenge at all. See my signature. My Paradigm subs blends in quite well with my 1.7's. So, I would think a sub would work fine w/the smaller Maggies also.
Mark
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Post by audiobill on Nov 19, 2014 17:48:05 GMT -5
When I had mine, I just kept adjusting my sub with REW until I realized I didn't need it!
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Post by Cogito on Nov 19, 2014 18:04:42 GMT -5
I have read a few negative things about adding a sub (box subs have a hard time keeping up with the speed of the magnepans) and that is where the Magnepan DWM bass panel comes in. If I were to go with the MMG + Sub then wouldn't I be better with the MG12 + Sub? I used to believe that also. Big floppy woofers=Big floppy sound. It's quite debunked however. Bass frequencies simply do NOT need a "fast" motion to be reproduced. In fact, Maggies in general produce far more distortion in the 50 Hz and down compared to a typical cone woofer. Look here! In the linked review, you'll find the the MG 1.7s distortion is greater than 25% at 50hz @ 90dB SPL!!! My SVS PB12-NSD in comparison, only produces 7% at over 107 dB. Even at 16Hz @ 93dB, it produces only 14%. My ported sub integrates with my 1.7s flawlessly. What do I mean by that? Well... you hear (and feel) the bass, but you never hear the subwoofer. Kick drums sound just like kick drums, pipe organs sound just like pipe organs and without any "boxiness" or "tubbyness". The sub never draws attention to itself. |
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Post by pdaddy on Nov 19, 2014 21:00:43 GMT -5
I wish you were neat Atlanta. You could pick up a pair of full range MG III's with true ribbons for $799.
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Post by kkennally on Nov 19, 2014 23:00:47 GMT -5
I wish you were neat Atlanta. You could pick up a pair of full range MG III's with true ribbons for $799.[/quo I would rather buy new.... That being said, I actually live on the Suwanee/Lawrenceville line. |
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Post by jmasterj on Nov 20, 2014 0:36:10 GMT -5
I used my MMG's with a polk audio PSW 505 and for four years the combo worked fine for me up until the sub developed a short. Now I have a pair of JBL ES150 subs. I haven't had a chance to hear the MMG's with the dual subs yet. I've been having too much fun listening to them with the JBL ES30 bookshelfs. I'll switch over soon. My vote as far as you're speakers are concerned is you should get some more MMG's and a sub. That way if you decide to keep the Klipsch or decide to get a different pair of speakers in the future the sub will easily integrate with them.
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Post by GreenKiwi on Nov 20, 2014 0:43:08 GMT -5
Any chance there is a used market around you? Getting a user pair of 1.7's or 1.6's might be a good way to go.
My own take is go as big as you can go =D
(Says the guys who's trying to figure out how to get 20.1s or 20.7s.)
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Post by kauai82 on Nov 20, 2014 14:46:23 GMT -5
I have a pair of self reconditioned MMG's that I had for 17 years. I have used a sub with them for years with a HSU 10" sub with great success. I was at the Newport, Ca show and listened to the Super MMG's and two bass panels and was unimpressed with the low end. Magnepan had about $8000 dollars of electronics driving them so they should have enough power. They said the had 250 watts per channel but the set up sounded thin to me. True the small hotel room was not the best acoustically but it is about the same size as my music room. My MMG's are placed too close to the wall and they still sound better than what I heard at Newport. My suggestion is get the regular MMG's and buy a decent sub HSU, PSV, etc in the $450 and up price range and be amazed how good your system sounds !!
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Post by GreenKiwi on Nov 22, 2014 0:47:46 GMT -5
Just an example of a used option
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Post by klinemj on Nov 22, 2014 5:54:03 GMT -5
I wish you were neat Atlanta. You could pick up a pair of full range MG III's with true ribbons for $799.[/quo I would rather buy new.... That being said, I actually live on the Suwanee/Lawrenceville line. Mightbe worth your time linking up with pdaddy. You guys are practically neighbors. He is in Suwanee also! You could at least hear them and meet a great Emotivan. Mark |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 22, 2014 8:33:50 GMT -5
I have a pair of self reconditioned MMG's that I had for 17 years. I have used a sub with them for years with a HSU 10" sub with great success. I was at the Newport, Ca show and listened to the Super MMG's and two bass panels and was unimpressed with the low end. Magnepan had about $8000 dollars of electronics driving them so they should have enough power. They said the had 250 watts per channel but the set up sounded thin to me. True the small hotel room was not the best acoustically but it is about the same size as my music room. My MMG's are placed too close to the wall and they still sound better than what I heard at Newport. My suggestion is get the regular MMG's and buy a decent sub HSU, PSV, etc in the $450 and up price range and be amazed how good your system sounds !! I also heard that demo and was very impressed with the overall sound, but I tend to prefer big Maggies without subs (I believe they had a pair of the bass panels there). |
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Post by kauai82 on Nov 22, 2014 10:53:23 GMT -5
I have a pair of self reconditioned MMG's that I had for 17 years. I have used a sub with them for years with a HSU 10" sub with great success. I was at the Newport, Ca show and listened to the Super MMG's and two bass panels and was unimpressed with the low end. Magnepan had about $8000 dollars of electronics driving them so they should have enough power. They said the had 250 watts per channel but the set up sounded thin to me. True the small hotel room was not the best acoustically but it is about the same size as my music room. My MMG's are placed too close to the wall and they still sound better than what I heard at Newport. My suggestion is get the regular MMG's and buy a decent sub HSU, PSV, etc in the $450 and up price range and be amazed how good your system sounds !! I also heard that demo and was very impressed with the overall sound, but I tend to prefer big Maggies without subs (I believe they had a pair of the bass panels there). I was at the Newport Show on the first day of the show. What day did you attend ? I heard that Saturday and Sunday the Magnepan people changed some of the music on their demo. I was impressed by the overall sound as I am with all Maggie's ,but I still think the bass was on the thin side with the music I heard. The Magepan bass panels are not cheap, I believe they are either $699 or $799. You can buy or build yourself a very good sub woofer at that price. |
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Post by kkennally on Nov 22, 2014 15:15:36 GMT -5
I am now in the process of (convincing my wife) that i want/need the 1.7's. I have a Magnepan dealer about 20 miles away that has them in stock ($2149).
If that won't fly with the wife then I am going with the MG12 and adding a nice sub later.
If anyone is interested I have a new pair of Klipsch reference RF82II's that I will sell for half what I paid for them.
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