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Post by oldmanaudio on Feb 19, 2015 13:31:43 GMT -5
"Putting all my music in my pocket with uncompressed audio in a 128gb thumb drive for almost free. How could that be bad."
Oh, there is nothing bad about that. As far as convenience and longevity goes, digital has analog beat by a mile! Best sound I ever heard was on a 78 rpm masterdisk played on a Linn Sondek specialty turntable. It played one song, on one side, and was the size of a LP! Would it sound better than that thumb drive? Yeah, but not by much. The big difference is that thumb drive will fit in your pocket, for the same amount of music, those 78's would need at least a box truck to haul them around, maybe even a small semi! And as far as price, I shudder to think what those would cost now!
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Post by vcautokid on Feb 19, 2015 15:02:46 GMT -5
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Post by chaosrv on Feb 19, 2015 15:26:13 GMT -5
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Post by oldmanaudio on Feb 19, 2015 18:01:45 GMT -5
LOL, Love it! I actually saw one of those in a Goodwill a year or two back. It actually was still in working condition. They wanted something like $25 for it. I wonder how much a collector would pay for one?
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Post by oldmanaudio on Feb 19, 2015 19:01:22 GMT -5
Yikes! Just checked the prices for those things. Should have spent 25 bucks. Could have funded a lot better upgrade than I'm looking at now!
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Post by hcsunshine90 on Mar 8, 2015 22:04:47 GMT -5
someone told me if you have a system that's under $5,000 a digital source will sound better, but if you have a system that's over $5,000 a vinyl record will sound better...not sure if that's true...or how they determined that...
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Post by KeithL on Mar 9, 2015 10:51:46 GMT -5
I find this issue - and worse - with many modern European bands. Some of my favorite symphonic metal groups have developed an annoying habit of releasing new albums as "country specific"; the album has a core set of songs that are the same, but they release three or four different versions "for different countries" - each of which add one or two bonus tracks - which are DIFFERENT for each version. (These are not reissues - they are all released at the same time.) Sure, I guess this lets them pick bonus tracks that they think will be more targeted to their audience, but it also means that I'm going to have to buy multiple copies of the entire album if I don't want to miss one of those bonus tracks (or search like crazy to find the separate bonus tracks). To me, this makes it seem rather like a plot to get me to buy more copies... and to make specific versions "collectible". I believe on the original British EMI release "Drive My Car" was the opening track. You (like me) became familiar with the American Capitol Records release where several songs are different including the opening cut (I find "Drive My Car" a jarring opening as well. However, the EMI release is how the Beatles intended the album to be so from a purist perspective it is correct. This however is just another argument for digital music as you can now create a "Capitol Rubber Soul" playlist mixing tracks from the EMI Rubber Soul and Help albums. Yeah, the Original British release did have "Drive My Car" as the opening track. Never could figure that out. Just didn't go with the rest of the album. "I've Just Seen a Face" was on the British release of "Help". Damnedist thing though, I think "I've Just Seen a Face" doesn't fit on "Help". Go figure. |
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Post by KeithL on Mar 9, 2015 10:56:40 GMT -5
Wow  what a snobby statement. Obviously they like the way vinyl sounds; and they're saying that, if you didn't spend more than five grand on your stereo, either it isn't good enough for you to hear the difference, or you don't care enough to notice it. someone told me if you have a system that's under $5,000 a digital source will sound better, but if you have a system that's over $5,000 a vinyl record will sound better...not sure if that's true...or how they determined that... |
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Post by hcsunshine90 on Mar 9, 2015 11:02:40 GMT -5
yeah, I didn't really agree with it from the beginning...i didn't mean to perpetuate this sentiment. rather, i was hoping some one else would confirm this wasn't so for me. i felt like i was pretty sure it wan't true, ...sorry for the confusion, i should have worded it different like "do you think this is true:..."
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Post by Spike on Mar 28, 2015 23:46:11 GMT -5
I just read an article that said basically, 'Many people today don't "buy" music today because they can simply subscribe to a site like Spotify and for a small affordable monthly fee have all the music that they want. The article also went on to say that people can pass on Vinyl to their children (and may even want to), while people would laugh at the idea of passing on to their children a CD. As, I'm in the process of upgrading my entire A/V system (learning as I go), I would definitely go the turn table route, if it were not for my disability. There is something about the experience with the needle, the album, the vinyl sound, and the social atmosphere of it all that appeals to me much more than a CD. I do know one thing, I hate CD's. I'd much rather download hi res audio, even though I've read that my ear only has the ability to hear up to so many hz, CD recordings sound very muddy to my ear at times.Hi Res Audio at least gives room for every instrument and vocal to have a space to move. So for me: Vinyl is #1, hi Res audio #2, CD a low #3, and MP3's etc #4 in order of my desire to purchase.
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Post by ericl on Apr 6, 2015 11:42:05 GMT -5
Here is a good article on "stress" caused by digital music: www.arlo.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14006The author talks about digital music from it's beginnings in the late 1970's (digital master > vinyl,) PCM/CD's and finally DSD. Seems that he concludes DSD does not cause the stress/fatigue that PCM causes. Personally I currently listen to PCM-only & love it. I ditched vinyl for CD in 1985 or so. My first CD player was shrill & caused me headaches, but I loved the clarity. My current play-back system is mostly what I bought in 1972 (1972 - 1985 vinyl, 1985 - 1992 shrill cd player, 1992 - 2010 slightly less-shrill cd player, 21015 - present Peachtree DAC with a ESS Sabre DAC). Adjusted for inflation my DAC > Power amp > Speakers would be about $10K Adding in the wires/cables I use would be $10.05K. I have a degree/background in electronics. My assumption is that the early DAC's had very poor analog output stages that did not properly smooth/filter the staircase from the analog output waveform & the resulting distortion/noise was somewhere between annoying and unacceptable depending on the test subject. Not sure there is anything magic with DSD compared to PCM, but with all due respect to Nyquist higher sample rates matter. As to digital causing a decline in the music scene, I believe this is true but for a different reason - Not as many people sit-down in the sweet spot, put on some great music on a great system & sit there do nothing but enjoy the music. After listening to music on their 2 hour commutes then an hour at the gym they have had enough. They prefer convenience over quality. Best regards, Eric |
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what a snobby statement.
