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Post by daveburt on Feb 21, 2015 23:51:31 GMT -5
The deal for this amp and the 975 Pre/Pro for $999 seems like a bargain... I've been thinking about upgrading my gear, but I'm not sure weather this would be worth the investment.. Currently, I'm using a UMC-1 and a UPA-500. This amp offers a little more power and the specs look good! What do you folks think? And, what would be a reasonable sale price for my current setup (~$500/combo)... Worth it? Thanks, Dave
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Post by deltadube on Feb 22, 2015 0:02:38 GMT -5
maybe you should change up your space!!
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Post by deltadube on Feb 22, 2015 0:03:19 GMT -5
The deal for this amp and the 975 Pre/Pro for $999 seems like a bargain... I've been thinking about upgrading my gear, but I'm not sure weather this would be worth the investment.. Currently, I'm using a UMC-1 and a UPA-500. This amp offers a little more power and the specs look good! What do you folks think? And, what would be a reasonable sale price for my current setup (~$500/combo)... Worth it? Thanks, Dave go for and xpa 5!!!
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Post by knucklehead on Feb 22, 2015 0:16:44 GMT -5
The deal for this amp and the 975 Pre/Pro for $999 seems like a bargain... I've been thinking about upgrading my gear, but I'm not sure weather this would be worth the investment.. Currently, I'm using a UMC-1 and a UPA-500. This amp offers a little more power and the specs look good!What do you folks think? And, what would be a reasonable sale price for my current setup (~$500/combo)... Worth it? Thanks, Dave You won't notice a difference - about an extra 2-3db of usable headroom - hardly audible. Either go big or...
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Post by teaman on Feb 22, 2015 1:41:34 GMT -5
Wow, that pre only weighs in at 8 lbs...
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Post by 2muchht on Feb 23, 2015 22:06:36 GMT -5
Wow, that pre only weighs in at 8 lbs... Perhaps, but for a processor, as opposed to an AVR or amplifier, weight isn't much of an indicator of quality or performance. Rather, is the weight of one product with similar features over another due to weight of key components or of the sheet metal for the front panel. A processor is almost all PCBs and their components, with perhaps the transformer as the only thing that is heavy or not. Look at the ten pound UMC-200 here: emotiva.com/products/pres-and-pros/umc-200. The power supply appears to an SMPS and there is one board that basically has the digital audio and HDMI on one PCB. As a comparison, Outlaw's Model 975 is here: www.outlawaudio.com/products/975_gallery4.html. The power supply is more traditional with a decent sized torriod. There are separate PCBs for audio and video with mini-heat sinks on what are presumably key components. Yes, there are feature differences and each has those who like it and those who do not. At the end of the day both are good products and it probably boils down to your own personal preferences and system requirements as to which might be best for any one individual. Either way, weight is one thing that is likely NOT a factor that gives a push to one model or the other.
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Post by teaman on Feb 23, 2015 22:15:04 GMT -5
Wow, that pre only weighs in at 8 lbs... Perhaps, but for a processor, as opposed to an AVR or amplifier, weight isn't much of an indicator of quality or performance. Rather, is the weight of one product with similar features over another due to weight of key components or of the sheet metal for the front panel. A processor is almost all PCBs and their components, with perhaps the transformer as the only thing that is heavy or not. Look at the ten pound UMC-200 here: emotiva.com/products/pres-and-pros/umc-200. The power supply appears to an SMPS and there is one board that basically has the digital audio and HDMI on one PCB. As a comparison, Outlaw's Model 975 is here: www.outlawaudio.com/products/975_gallery4.html. The power supply is more traditional with a decent sized torriod. There are separate PCBs for audio and video with mini-heat sinks on what are presumably key components. Yes, there are feature differences and each has those who like it and those who do not. At the end of the day both are good products and it probably boils down to your own personal preferences and system requirements as to which might be best for any one individual. Either way, weight is one thing that is likely NOT a factor that gives a push to one model or the other. You're right, I forgot this was only a processor. I remember my old Technics tuner weighed about that much.
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Post by bootman on Feb 23, 2015 22:55:38 GMT -5
The deal for this amp and the 975 Pre/Pro for $999 seems like a bargain... I've been thinking about upgrading my gear, but I'm not sure weather this would be worth the investment.. Currently, I'm using a UMC-1 and a UPA-500. This amp offers a little more power and the specs look good! What do you folks think? And, what would be a reasonable sale price for my current setup (~$500/combo)... Worth it? Thanks, Dave If you need the analog video inputs the 975 is a decent prepro but in your specific case almost a lateral move SQ wise IMHO. Now if you are coming off a run of the mill AVR, the outlaw combo is a nice piece of kit. (as was the now discontinued UMC-200 and UPA-500) No other choices right now in the sub $1K price point for prepro plus amp. But since you have an amp, maybe the $1K should go towards the XMC-1. You will be close with your discount and a better upgrade path. Dirac will make MUCH more of a SQ difference than swapping out the amp. (even a more powerful one)
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Post by Dan Laufman on Mar 26, 2015 21:54:49 GMT -5
Lets talk about a more important issue…
Why is it that when we clearly state that our products are manufactured in China we are ridiculed and denigrated? We state the truth and believe me, it costs us in many ways. I just had a guy return a perfect XPR-5 because he realized it was made in China and he didn't want it in his house.
Outlaw wrapped itself in the Made in USA flag for years, and used it against companies like ours that sold "inferior" Made in China products. But now it's feeling the pressure from companies like us. When Outlaw decides to state a bunch of B. S. instead of clearly stating where their amplifiers are made, none of you guys say a word. Nor does anyone else.
Their tangled description of the country of origin is clearly designed to mask the true country of manufacture. Made in PRC is an illegal marking and it does not mean anything. In fact, it is a clear violation of importation and country of origin labeling requirements to state "Made in PRC". Most people don't even know what it means, and that's the idea!.
They'll say any kind of tortured gobbledygook other than clearly stating Made in China. I call foul.
Call me a crabby old man, but this goes on everywhere and I'm sick of it.
Look out, I'm not done yet.
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Post by Poodleluvr on Mar 27, 2015 8:02:33 GMT -5
I did not find a SNR spec on the product website or in the online manual. On the back of the amplifier, it is written: "Designed in the USA by Outlaw Audio and manufactured in the PRC" (apparently not ATI) PRC: People's Republic of China Outlaw didn't fool me. I've never seen the acronym "PRC" on a product before. I try to be a savvy consumer so I do my homework. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!
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Post by AudioHTIT on Mar 27, 2015 9:08:11 GMT -5
As a comparison, I like Apple's 'Designed in California' campaign. To me it says that most of the heavy lifting - design, engineering, specifications - were done here in the US. The advantages I see are: high tech US jobs, US design sensibilities, a larger percentage of the profits staying in the US, etc. I don't think Apple is being deceptive that the products aren't made in China; there is too much in the news about their manufacturing facilities, lawsuits, and Assembled in China is documented on the device. In Outlaw's case I do think PRC is slightly deceptive, and if as Dan Laufman has said, they are pretending to be better than Emotiva or other manufacturers because of that statement then time to call BS; but the statement 'Designed in the USA' seems genuine and welcome (to me). I wouldn't mind seeing 'Made in USA' on the XMC-1, or Designed in USA on other products (when appropriate).
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