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Post by plw on Jan 28, 2015 10:34:22 GMT -5
Just got the news today. Bummer as I was hoping it was delivering soon. I guess they're sitting in cargo crate somewhere held up in customs.
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Post by MusicHead on Jan 29, 2015 11:58:41 GMT -5
The just announced "Secret Warehouse Sale" ( ) includes Factory Renewed 8100s at $410 or $369 E-club price. It comes with 3-yr warranty, just like the new units. The 8100 is already a steal at its list price, at $369 they are basically giving it away . Sales are final, though.
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Post by broncsrule21 on Jan 29, 2015 13:02:55 GMT -5
The just announced "Secret Warehouse Sale" ( ) includes Factory Renewed 8100s at $410 or $369 E-club price. It comes with 3-yr warranty, just like the new units. The 8100 is already a steal at its list price, at $369 they are basically giving it away . Sales are final, though. Totally agree! Sales are final, but you won't lose to much if you move it on to another if you are unhappy with it. Plus the warranty still transfers. Not a lot to lose here.
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Post by plw on Jan 29, 2015 13:52:23 GMT -5
I saw that, but the "all sales final" makes me a little nervous. I want to see if a) it has enough juice (I'm used to a Sherbourn 5/1500 driving my monitors) and b) I want to make sure that there aren't any funky HDMI handshake issues. Great price, though.
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Post by teaman on Jan 29, 2015 13:54:49 GMT -5
I saw that, but the "all sales final" makes me a little nervous. I want to see if a) it has enough juice (I'm used to a Sherbourn 5/1500 driving my monitors) and b) I want to make sure that there aren't any funky HDMI handshake issues. Great price, though. How about adding the UMC-200 and keep your amp? That way you know the power is there and the UMC offers all of the processing that the Fusion does.
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Post by plw on Jan 29, 2015 14:08:45 GMT -5
I saw that, but the "all sales final" makes me a little nervous. I want to see if a) it has enough juice (I'm used to a Sherbourn 5/1500 driving my monitors) and b) I want to make sure that there aren't any funky HDMI handshake issues. Great price, though. How about adding the UMC-200 and keep your amp? That way you know the power is there and the UMC offers all of the processing that the Fusion does. I thought about that, or using the 8100 as a front-end (since it's less than the UMC-200), but my amp won't fit in a new a/v cabinet I bought that arrives on Saturday. When I bought it from Sherbourn way back when, they sent me the rack mount version by mistake. Rather than sending it back and waiting for a new one, I just accepted it. Unfortunately, I think it's going to be about 1/2 inch too wide. Maybe I'll just cut the rack mount ears down and be done with it. It's still a great amp.
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Post by MusicHead on Jan 29, 2015 16:56:17 GMT -5
I saw that, but the "all sales final" makes me a little nervous. I want to see if a) it has enough juice (I'm used to a Sherbourn 5/1500 driving my monitors) and b) I want to make sure that there aren't any funky HDMI handshake issues. Great price, though. If it can help: a) My front speakers have low sensitivity (85ish dB) and are full range (I have no sub) and my Surround L/R are full range too. Only the center is set as "small". The 8100 has no problem driving all five speakers in my setup to pretty loud levels. My room is approximately 17x13x8 and has to large opening to the kitchen and hallway on the left and right side of the two front speakers. F.Y.I., according to Emotiva (I asked), the 8100 is able to deliver 80W over five channels, all channels driven. b) I have a BD player, a Roku and a HDTV Tuner all connected via HDMI and have no handshake issues. I have CEC, ARC and all other "extra" HDMI features off, though. Most if not all of the 8100 HDMI issues I have seen reported on the forum are about very long HDMI cable runs. I have just several good quality, 6' cables.
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Post by fusioneer on Jan 29, 2015 17:47:13 GMT -5
b) I have a BD player, a Roku and a HDTV Tuner all connected via HDMI and have no handshake issues. I have CEC, ARC and all other "extra" HDMI features off, though. Most if not all of the 8100 HDMI issues I have seen reported on the forum are about very long HDMI cable runs. I have just several good quality, 6' cables. I'd also add that I used to have handshake issues with my Chromecast but firmware v54 (on all new shipments now) has fixed all of them and now the switching is very fast. I use ARC and CEC and they make no difference (and disabling them didn't when I was having issues), but I don't use CEC auto-switching which is troublesome on any receiver I've tried, mainly because players make the wrong guesses about what I want to switch to and it's annoying. I concur about the Fusion being much more powerful than it seems entitled to by either size or heat, or most of all price. It's a great little device.
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Post by broncsrule21 on Jan 29, 2015 17:58:08 GMT -5
Although it is extremely heavy for its size. Probably due to the robust amp section. Out weighs my Denon 2808 that is "rated" at higher power....I don't believe that though.
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Post by plw on Jan 29, 2015 19:01:58 GMT -5
Good two-channel sound?
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Post by fusioneer on Jan 29, 2015 19:13:50 GMT -5
Although it is extremely heavy for its size. Probably due to the robust amp section. Out weighs my demonstrated 2808 that is "rated" at higher power....I don't believe that though. Please don't say this I would hate for companies like Emotiva to find ways to reduce the weight of their product but shy away from doing it because it would send the wrong signal. In my mind, weight reduction should be a goal too for a good engineer if (and only if) it can be done without a reduction in quality. My back agrees Also: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX0MB7pJtKsExcellent. The full 110W per channel is available then.
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Post by frisco on Jan 30, 2015 1:36:45 GMT -5
While waiting for the fusion I noticed that the xpa 200 2d gen is out, and had some novice questions.
1. I see the advantages of using the xpa 200 to power l and r for 5.1 purposes, but will it noticeably improve 2 channel sq without adding a stereo pre amp ( with ht bypass). 2. I am interested in getting consistent volume between my center and l and r in ht mode, will I need to adjust settings for the center speaker volume . Is there a resource that can explain the ins and outs of adding amps to an avr?
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Post by knucklehead on Jan 30, 2015 2:17:05 GMT -5
While waiting for the fusion I noticed that the xpa 200 2d gen is out, and had some novice questions. 1. I see the advantages of using the xpa 200 to power l and r for 5.1 purposes, but will it noticeably improve 2 channel sq without adding a stereo pre amp ( with ht bypass). 2. I am interested in getting consistent volume between my center and l and r in ht mode, will I need to adjust settings for the center speaker volume . Is there a resource that can explain the ins and outs of adding amps to an avr? To your questions: 1) - It depends - on how loud you like to listen - how much space you have to project the sound into - what surfaces are in that space - etc etc. It isn't an easy question to answer and you'll have to decide for yourself in the end. As long as you aren't clipping the Fusion amps sound quality will be the same. Amps are designed to amplify a signal within a set of parameters - most all amps these days are very close in sound. If you can hear the differences between amps this guy will give you $10,000! And these guys did a listening test to see if they could hear any differences between a cheap setup and a very expensive one. They couldn't. 2) - You can either run EmoQ to set the speaker levels or you can do it by ear. Either way there is enough adjustment built into the Fusion to accommodate more powerful amps. As for the 'ins and outs' its pretty basic stuff. As long as the AVR has preamp out jacks you can add one or more amps. And the Fusion does have those. I think the question should be: Do I really need all that power? The short answer is - it depends. Reading this might help you decide if an external amp is needed. The unofficial motto around here is "You can never have too much power" - of course you'll need lots of money to follow that logic.
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Post by aerodynamics on Jan 31, 2015 12:17:06 GMT -5
Tried getting in on the secret sale yesterday but they are sold out of Fusions. At $500, I am on the fence but $410 is a no brainer. How often do these sales happen?
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Post by brubacca on Jan 31, 2015 12:22:22 GMT -5
Once or twice a year by my recollection.
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Post by plw on Feb 7, 2015 10:36:02 GMT -5
Has anyone moved to the Fusion from a Marantz SR6008/6009? A4L has them very competitively priced and I'm getting tired of waiting. I've been without anything in my family room for a couple of weeks at this point waiting for the Fusion.
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Post by MusicHead on Feb 7, 2015 15:28:29 GMT -5
I just tried on the Emotiva web site and it seems it is possible to purchase one. I went as far as to put one in the shopping cart and go to checkout, but I suppose if there was none available it would not be possible even to get that far. Have you tried to actually order one?
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Post by plw on Feb 7, 2015 16:11:10 GMT -5
I have one on order, but the shipment date has slipped from end of January to end of February as they're stick in customs. Being without a system for 6 weeks doesn't really appeal to me.
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Post by rossonero3 on Feb 7, 2015 18:28:04 GMT -5
Has anyone moved to the Fusion from a Marantz SR6008/6009? A4L has them very competitively priced and I'm getting tired of waiting. I've been without anything in my family room for a couple of weeks at this point waiting for the Fusion. I'm very curious about this as well, been keeping an eye on A4L for a while and there are very tempting deals there, but i keep coming back to thinking the sound quality of the Fusion will outshine those feature laden Denons, Yammies and Marantz units.
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Post by MusicHead on Feb 7, 2015 21:21:40 GMT -5
I have never owned one of the SR series from Marantz, however before deciding to purchase the 8100 last December, I was considering the SR5009 or the older 7007 or 6008, which Crutchfield is selling all at the same price, $899. Can't comment on how they sound, however in term of power capability, they seem respectable. See measurements on the SR5009 and ST7007: www.soundandvision.com/content/marantz-sr5009-av-receiver-review-test-benchwww.soundandvision.com/content/marantz-sr7007-av-receiver-ht-labs-measuresIn comparison, the 8100 can deliver 110W in stereo, 80W over 5-ch and 65W over 7-ch at half the distortion (0.05%) Too bad Marantz goes with the mainstream and tends to advertise their product only based on the power in stereo. They usually do a decent job in sizing the power supply to sustain adequate power on multichannel or in stereo on difficult loads.
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