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Post by Porscheguy on Feb 7, 2015 12:12:43 GMT -5
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Post by Poodleluvr on Feb 7, 2015 15:14:57 GMT -5
Courtesy of Audioholics: www.audioholics.com/av-preamp-processor-reviews/rotel-rsp-1582-av-processor"Rotel RSP-1582 AV Processor Preview" By Gene DellaSala — February 05, 2015 "Executive Overview Rotel just took things up a notch in their product line by introducing their RSP-1582, a new 7.1 channel, surround-sound preamplifier/processor home theater component that can serve as a master control for all audio and video components in an upscale home theater system. Although Rotel and Classe are part of the same B&W Family, the RSP-1582 does NOT share the same design platform as the new Classe Sigma SSP. The RSP-1582 has ALL of the latest hardware to support HD Audio and Video but is missing support for Dolby Atmos just like its Classe Sigma SSP brother. I asked Doug Henderson, president of The B&W Group why this was the case, and he responded accordingly: The vast majority of consumers are happy with 5.1 surround; relatively few (less than 20%, maybe much less) ever went to 7.1. The real challenge these days is to convince people that a proper surround system is preferable to a simple sound bar! It will take some time for the market to respond to the idea of these various 3D audio systems, and we will continue to evaluate the penetration they are having and make a considered move in this direction if the market demand develops. In the meantime, we will keep our focus on providing the best audio quality for the dollar in the system contexts that still define the majority of consumers' needs. Interestingly, good old fashioned 2-channel stereo is enjoying a big renaissance!" "Specifications Audio •Total Harmonic Distortion <0.008% •Intermodulation Distortion <0.008% (60Hz : 7kHz, 4:1) •Frequency Response 10Hz - 100kHz, ±1.5dB (Analog Bypass), 10Hz - 20kHz, ±0.3dB (Digital Input) •Signal to Noise Ratio 100dB (analog bypass) •(A-weighting) 92dB (Dolby Digital, DTS) 0dBFS •Input Sensitivity ◦Line Level: 250 mV/100k ohms ◦Balance Level: 250 mV/100k ohms •Output Level ◦Line Level (RCA): 1.0 V ◦Balance Level (XLR): 2.0 V •Channel Separation >75 dB (at 10kHz) •Digital Audio Dolby TrueHDl, Dolby Digital EX, DD+, DTS-HD, DTS-ES, DTS-ES 96/24, LPCM (up to 192kHz 24bits) Video •HDMI standard: Audio Return Channel, 3D, Deep Color, 2K, 4K Pass-Through •Input Resolutions: 480i, 576i, 480p/576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p 24Hz, 2K, 4K •Output Resolutions: 480i, 576i, 480p/576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p, 1080p 24Hz, 2K, 4K •Deep Color Support: 24bits Power •USA: 120 Volts, 60 Hz •EC: 230 Volts, 50 Hz •Power Consumption 45W •Standby Power Consumption <0.5W •BTU 140 BTU/h"
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Post by Jim on Feb 7, 2015 15:36:24 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the usual onslaught of "I can't belive it doesn't have Atmos posts!".....
MSRP: $3499
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Post by Jim on Feb 7, 2015 15:39:02 GMT -5
But it doesn't have DTS-X either I'm waiting for the usual onslaught of "I can't belive it doesn't have Atmos posts!"..... But does it have Arena or Rock Hall DSP settings??
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Post by KeithL on Feb 7, 2015 15:43:19 GMT -5
From their press release, it would appear that they're waiting to see if Atmos really catches on... not to mention if DTS-X, which will be available in a few more months, catches on... and which or both of them are worth supporting in the short and middle term. (I have little doubt that, in five years or so, every $150 AVR will have both... and most will still somehow manage to deliver totally substandard sounding audio anyway... ) I'm waiting for the usual onslaught of "I can't belive it doesn't have Atmos posts!"..... MSRP: $3499
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Post by Poodleluvr on Feb 7, 2015 16:00:22 GMT -5
I recently remember reading a former post where an Emotiva member espoused that XMC-1 didn't support Atmos; therefore, the XMC-1 was already outdated... If the Emotiva XMC-1 is claimed as "outdated", then the Rotel RSP-1582 must be outdated too.....
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Post by Jim on Feb 7, 2015 18:32:59 GMT -5
I recently remember reading a former post where an Emotiva member espoused that XMC-1 didn't support Atmos; therefore, the XMC-1 was already outdated... If the Emotiva XMC-1 is claimed as "outdated", then the Rotel RSP-1582 must be outdated too..... Wait, there was only one post ranting about that??? :-)
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Post by pedrocols on Feb 7, 2015 22:06:37 GMT -5
Two Channel Rules Baby!!
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Post by vcautokid on Feb 7, 2015 23:53:40 GMT -5
Would be interesting to see a Comparison of the XMC-1 and the RSP-1582. Kind of a head to head. I am putting my money on the XMC-1. But I will say in the past Rotel did some fine work. I sold their products for years. Well before the pricing of their products were up there. Inflation is a reality we all face I guess.
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Post by djoel on Feb 8, 2015 0:58:46 GMT -5
Nothing about room correction either, right?
I read this a few days ago and thought well it doesn't have the latest bells and whistle but they kept the price as if! Geesh..
Djoel
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Post by rogersch on Feb 8, 2015 1:24:08 GMT -5
One real advantage the Rotel has above the XMC-1 is that the Rotel has an HDMI input in the front. That is something the XMC-1 is lacking. And it has a bigger screen. But to pay around $1500 extra and missing out on DIRAC. I think I'll stick to the XMC-1.
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Post by Jim on Feb 8, 2015 5:32:51 GMT -5
Would be interesting to see a Comparison of the XMC-1 and the RSP-1582. Kind of a head to head. I am putting my money on the XMC-1. But I will say in the past Rotel did some fine work. I sold their products for years. Well before the pricing of their products were up there. Inflation is a reality we all face I guess. I think it would be interesting too. I'd like to compare just the specs too - just to see what's different. A channel separation of 75 db sounds low. 8 band PEQ? And 2 shelving filters? That makes the EQ on a $100 MiniDSP sound impressive by comparison. (That's not a criticism of Minidsp - I'm a fan)
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Post by cgolf on Feb 8, 2015 8:16:45 GMT -5
Just shows you how everyone sees the world differently. To me, the oxymoron is "affordable high end audio" = $3500. For me, $3500 for a processor is not affordable.
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Post by Porscheguy on Feb 8, 2015 8:43:07 GMT -5
Just shows you how everyone sees the world differently. To me, the oxymoron is "affordable high end audio" = $3500. For me, $3500 for a processor is not affordable. You can buy a decent complete home theater for $3500.00....
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Post by Loop 7 on Feb 8, 2015 11:50:40 GMT -5
I find Rotel's industrial design and overall aesthetics extremely appealing but haven't enjoyed the demos I've heard.
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Post by KeithL on Feb 8, 2015 19:50:28 GMT -5
I'm not defending the Rotel (I haven't heard it), and I'm pretty sure the XMC-1 will beat it soundly all around, but everfyone needs to lighten up a bit on the numbers comparisons. A reasonable phono cartridge would be happy to turn in a channel separation of 35 dB (for real - from 20 to 20k); I've even heard it claimed that many of the test records used to measure cartridges usually can't even deliver more than that; the number you're bemoaning here is 100 TIMES better than that. So, if you're saying that "in a premium product I would expect them to do better", then I might agree with you, but there's no way you're going to hear anything wrong with a channel separation of 75 dB. It's the same with things like how many bands of PEQ you have. Back when all that existed were fixed-band "graphic" equalizers, the most popular type was the "ten band octave equalizer" - with one band per octave. (Little ones had three or five bands, and there were some with thirty "third octave" bands). When parametric EQs were first introduced, it was understood that a single band which can be configured in detail provided much more control than a lot more bands that couldn't be customized; back then, a PEQ with TWO bands was considered adequate for almost any real-world room correction needs, and ones with five bands were considered a luxury (and often ended up with only one or two bands being used and the rest being left set to null). I'm sorry, but talking about whether 8 bands of PEQ are enough is a little bit like wondering if a LASER level that's accurate to "only 1/10 of an inch" is "good enough" to use when mowing your lawn, or if you "really need one that's good to 1/100 inch". When using EQ, the object is to use AS FEW BANDS AS POSSIBLE TO GET THE JOB DONE. (And "the job" is to correct significant problems, while not wasting time on insignificant ones.) Just imagine trying to get your lawn "perfectly flat"; take off a little here; then a little there; then a little more here to even it up; soon your whole weekend is gone, your nose-hair scissors are ruined, the lawn is half an inch high, and it really doesn't look any better than the guy who measured his with a plain old ruler (or just set the wheel guide on his mower and said "good enough".) I can't honestly imagine a room so bad that it couldn't be fixed very well with 8 PEQ bands and two shelving filters, or five PEQ bands, or probably even three. (But, yes, FIXED BAND EQs frequently fall short, because it is often impossible to fix what you need to without messing up something else in the process, no matter how many fixed bands you have.) And, yeah, in terms of what it can do (when operated by someone who knows what he or she is doing), especially when considered in light of the price tag, the EQ in the miniDSP IS pretty impressive. (Back in the 1970's, my top of the line Technics analog parametric EQ, the two band stereo one, cost over $500 .) Would be interesting to see a Comparison of the XMC-1 and the RSP-1582. Kind of a head to head. I am putting my money on the XMC-1. But I will say in the past Rotel did some fine work. I sold their products for years. Well before the pricing of their products were up there. Inflation is a reality we all face I guess. I think it would be interesting too. I'd like to compare just the specs too - just to see what's different. A channel separation of 75 db sounds low. 8 band PEQ? And 2 shelving filters? That makes the EQ on a $100 MiniDSP sound impressive by comparison. (That's not a criticism of Minidsp - I'm a fan)
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Post by Jim on Feb 8, 2015 20:12:03 GMT -5
My criticism wasn't whether it needs 8 bands or 100 of PEQ.
It was that there is no onboard RC system and only having 2 shelving filters and a PEQ seems relatively primitive given the competition.
I have no doubt you can get excellent results with just a PEQ - and I'm a firm believer of less is more when it comes to filters....
But for $3500 do you then spend $3-10k for an outboard RC system? Or skip it entirely?
Frankly, only including a PEQ sounds like what installers like to see - because the calibration and installation is easily billable - and it's not as easy as clicking next on a software screen (user friendly).
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Post by Dark Ranger on Feb 9, 2015 16:27:59 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but talking about whether 8 bands of PEQ are enough is a little bit like wondering if a LASER level that's accurate to "only 1/10 of an inch" is "good enough" to use when mowing your lawn, or if you "really need one that's good to 1/100 inch". I had to read that three times because the first two skipped right over the word level. Apparently I've been mowing my lawn incorrectly my whole life and really need a LASER. I suddenly feel enlightened. Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. On topic: I think Emotiva really spoils us when it comes to how much we pay for the performance we get. It's good to get a reality check every so often.
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Post by Jim on Feb 9, 2015 17:55:29 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but talking about whether 8 bands of PEQ are enough is a little bit like wondering if a LASER level that's accurate to "only 1/10 of an inch" is "good enough" to use when mowing your lawn, or if you "really need one that's good to 1/100 inch". I had to read that three times because the first two skipped right over the word level. Apparently I've been mowing my lawn incorrectly my whole life and really need a LASER. I suddenly feel enlightened. Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. On topic: I think Emotiva really spoils us when it comes to how much we pay for the performance we get. It's good to get a reality check every so often. You know that somebody, somewhere has already invented a laser lawnmower. It's probably not practical (cooling, maintenance, power requirements, safety), but I bet it's pretty awesome!
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Post by richardrc on Feb 16, 2015 21:40:04 GMT -5
I love the smell of burning grass in the morning! I had to read that three times because the first two skipped right over the word level. Apparently I've been mowing my lawn incorrectly my whole life and really need a LASER. I suddenly feel enlightened. Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. On topic: I think Emotiva really spoils us when it comes to how much we pay for the performance we get. It's good to get a reality check every so often. You know that somebody, somewhere has already invented a laser lawnmower. It's probably not practical (cooling, maintenance, power requirements, safety), but I bet it's pretty awesome!
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