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Post by Spike on Feb 10, 2015 23:39:14 GMT -5
Man, I really appreciate all of you. I am learning a lot, and have a lot to learn. And so, .. let me now ask this. In your opinions, how does the Emotiv 6 do matched up with a medium sized Sub in a small 10'x13' room. I know nothing, absolutely nothing about Emotiva's speakers, at all-ZIP!
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Post by mauriceminor on Feb 10, 2015 23:43:51 GMT -5
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Post by whovous on Feb 11, 2015 0:09:10 GMT -5
Size doesn't matter. Small rooms don't like speakers.
Wear headphones and avoid the problem.
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Post by jlafrenz on Feb 11, 2015 0:12:17 GMT -5
Man, I really appreciate all of you. I am learning a lot, and have a lot to learn. And so, .. let me now ask this. In your opinions, how does the Emotiv 6 do matched up with a medium sized Sub in a small 10'x13' room. I know nothing, absolutely nothing about Emotiva's speakers, at all-ZIP! It's been a while since I have heard this combo so hopefully those who have this setup can chime in with their experiences. The Airmotiv or Stealth speakers were designed as pro or studio monitors which is commonly a nearfield listening environment. This means that they should work well in a room your size. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 11, 2015 7:16:40 GMT -5
Large speakers can work in small rooms, but the challenges are greater. Towers typically have their drivers spread out in a vertical array. If you're close enough to the speaker, you can hear the bass from near the floor, the midrange from the middle, and the highs from the top of the towers. This failure to integrate destroys the illusion of a single source. Towers do have more radiating area, and do produce lower bass notes. In a small room, particularly if no room treatments are used, the bass can become boomy sounding. This isn't a problem unique to small rooms, but it is more noticeable there, usually. garbulky, for example, uses towers in a small room, but he has to be obsessive about placement to avoid the problems mentioned above. It can be done, but it isn't easy. Cheers - Boom |
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Post by hemster on Feb 11, 2015 8:43:42 GMT -5
Large speakers can work in small rooms, but the challenges are greater. Towers typically have their drivers spread out in a vertical array. If you're close enough to the speaker, you can hear the bass from near the floor, the midrange from the middle, and the highs from the top of the towers. This failure to integrate destroys the illusion of a single source. Towers do have more radiating area, and do produce lower bass notes. In a small room, particularly if no room treatments are used, the bass can become boomy sounding. This isn't a problem unique to small rooms, but it is more noticeable there, usually. garbulky, for example, uses towers in a small room, but he has to be obsessive about placement to avoid the problems mentioned above. It can be done, but it isn't easy. Cheers - Boom ^While this is generally true of conventional large towers, line array speakers do not exhibit this behavior. For example Bob Carver's line array which I've auditioned sounded great. The problem with these however (for me at least) is that they have a large footprint and a low WAF.  |
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Post by jmasterj on Feb 11, 2015 9:27:49 GMT -5
I believe in matching the speaker size to the room. I have three different pairs of speakers. Baby Maggies MMG's, baby Tektons M-Lore, and JBL ES30 bookshelf. The bookshelf fit the space the best to me. You can really tell the difference in the height, and depth of the soundstage when I switch to the small towers, or the planers. I would recommend some small towers or bookshelf speakers for your room size. My room is 13'X 23' open on one end to the kitchen/dinning area with 9' ceilings. All my speakers fit well in this space. I found this brief video on the subject maybe it can be helpful. Good Luck j. www.acousticfields.com/speaker-size-vs-room-size/ |
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Post by seppo on Feb 11, 2015 10:00:59 GMT -5
I have relatively big towers (100 lbs / 45 kg each, 48 inches / 122 cm tall), Infinity RS-II's in a mid-sized living room. And the combo works very well IMO, certainly not perfect, but very good still. I love the sound of the massive towers at volume, even in the space that is considered a bit too small for them. With Emo SA-250 driving them you can just fill the space with this overwhelming, effortless sound at volume. Usually I have them in the corner for casual listening (see my avatar). Even in this position the speakers sound surprisingly good, perhaps thanks to being full dipole in the mid and tweeter range (reflections from the back wall create sense of space and "airiness"), and the bass not being ported. At low and moderate volume levels the bass is very tight and not muddy at all. For serious listening I move them to the middle of the room (see below), which substantially improves the imaging and soundstage. Particularly for mids and highs. The bass also improves compared to the corner, but at higher volume levels I start to notice issues with room acoustics (to be dealt with some day  ). Infinity's recommendation for a starting point for the room setup is that big towers should be 7-10 feet apart, not toed in, and then the listening position should be at the tip of the triangle, some 10-12 feet from each speaker (i.e. not from the plane formed by the speakers). Also, each speaker should be at least 2-3 feet from both the back and side walls. I can achieve the latter in my "serious listening" position, but the room size does not allow properly sized triangle.  |
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Post by pop on Feb 11, 2015 10:02:31 GMT -5
I owned Pendragon Towers and still preferred the lower load handled by a subwoofer. Granted, they were in a larger room and most likely would have been quite sufficient in a smaller room. I personally don't believe that any speaker is too big for any room, unless physically it's just not possible. The factor to consider is what has been mentioned here already.... Localization issues. proper integration is key, and a subwoofer allows multiple placement options to find the sweet spot.
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Post by monkumonku on Feb 11, 2015 10:08:07 GMT -5
Size doesn't matter. Small rooms don't like speakers. Wear headphones and avoid the problem. Big headphones or small headphones/ear buds? |
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Post by creimes on Feb 11, 2015 10:30:00 GMT -5
Size doesn't matter. Small rooms don't like speakers. Wear headphones and avoid the problem. Big headphones or small headphones/ear buds? Over ears and maybe something like at least a 15" or 18" sub to still feel the bass   |
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Post by monkumonku on Feb 11, 2015 10:36:13 GMT -5
Big headphones or small headphones/ear buds? Over ears and maybe something like at least a 15" or 18" sub to still feel the bass What about room ear treatments? |
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Post by creimes on Feb 11, 2015 11:43:40 GMT -5
Over ears and maybe something like at least a 15" or 18" sub to still feel the bass What about room ear treatments? Well as long as you have a sufficient amount of wax buildup you sould be fine, to confirm this a visit to the Doctor would be in order  |
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Post by garbulky on Feb 11, 2015 12:30:22 GMT -5
Large speakers can work in small rooms, but the challenges are greater. Towers typically have their drivers spread out in a vertical array. If you're close enough to the speaker, you can hear the bass from near the floor, the midrange from the middle, and the highs from the top of the towers. This failure to integrate destroys the illusion of a single source. Towers do have more radiating area, and do produce lower bass notes. In a small room, particularly if no room treatments are used, the bass can become boomy sounding. This isn't a problem unique to small rooms, but it is more noticeable there, usually. garbulky, for example, uses towers in a small room, but he has to be obsessive about placement to avoid the problems mentioned above. It can be done, but it isn't easy. Cheers - Boom For my speakers - I actually don't have problems with the whole integration thing of the mids highs and bass at all. They integrate great for me and I listen pretty close to my speakers. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think it may relate more to speaker design there. The placement thing is really about getting the soundstage and bass impact just right. And he's right about that. My speakers are picky! Large towers in small rooms can work pretty well. However certain types of speakers may require a certain distance from the backwall. Also you may get issues with bass reinforcement depending on how much bass the speaker is meant to do. You may get too little or way too much mid-range bump. I think it really depends on the speaker and the room but size isn't necessarily the reason. |
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Post by lionear on Feb 11, 2015 23:03:05 GMT -5
You can get some info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_acousticsThe frequencies in the "first zone" are experienced as changes in air pressure, not "sound". This zone is dependent on the room dimensions - the bigger the room, the lower the frequency for the "first zone". This is why you'll hear yourself differently in an auditorium, and in your shower. That's why the "bass" in a car audio system is really "lower midband". And why, even if you got a Genesis 1 speaker, the bass from an orchestra will not sound as "real" as if you heard it live in an auditorium. Most speakers need a certain distance before the sound from the different drivers will "gel". Big speakers will tend to have a tweeter, a midrange, and a woofer and there'll be an appreciable distance between the tweeter and the woofer. Even with electrostatic speakers, where there's just one driver, the wave of sound that's launched backwards will need to bounce off the front wall and radiate back into the room. There's a "right" distance at which the reflected sound helps (or doesn't hurt) the primary sound. So one still needs to listen a certain distance away from the speakers. Bookshelf speakers are smaller and the drivers are closer to each other. In most cases, they're two-way. So the distance needed for the sound to "gel" is less. In addition, they will roll off the bass and this avoids the "first zone". It's true that, once you put a bookshelf speaker on a stand, it'll take up quite a bit of space. But the sound they produce will be more like a point source and so better for a small room. |
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