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Post by keithg on Oct 31, 2016 11:23:42 GMT -5
I have been listening to music all morning using a Raspberry Pi 3 with an Allo Kali reclocker and Mamoberry LS and so far I am very impressed. The combo has played every file i sent flawlessly including 24bit/352.8 MHz files. There is an openness that I have not heard through any streaming setup I have used previously. Cymbals and acoustic guitars have been eye opening in their clarity. I am using Volumio 2.001 and powering everything from the Allo Kali using the Allo low noise power supply. |
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Post by KeithL on Oct 31, 2016 14:15:46 GMT -5
The simplest way: Connect the portable hard drive to the Raspberry Pi. Connect the Raspberry Pi to your network. Connect the USB output of the Raspberry Pi to the USB DAC input on the XMC-1. Burn Volumio onto a MicroSD card and plug it into the Pi (Volumio is FREE). Volumio is both the operating system for the Pi AND the music player. Plug the Pi into its wall wart. That's it. You're done!  Note that you will also need some sort of an interface to run it. You can do that from any device connected to your network that has a web browser (that could be a tablet, a computer, or even a phone). Or you could add a touch screen directly to the Raspberry Pi (they make cases that hold the Pi and the screen). You will also need to load the files on your hard drive using a separate computer. (There are ways to do that through the Pi, but they're all sort of a nuisance.) SInce your drive is already loaded with files you can skip this part  Explain to me (like I'm five) exactly how you would integrate this device into your main system. I have (through the unending generosity and expertise of EMO SOUTH and the MonoBlock Society) a 1TB portable hard drive chocked full of lossless files. I would like to be able to easily access these files through my XMC-1, I am shortly going to upgrade my main system adding the XMC-1 and an ERC-3 to the mix, maybe using a Raspberry Pi to facilitate that part of the upgrade. Thanks for supporting the "slow kid". |
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Post by Darksky on Nov 3, 2016 9:25:41 GMT -5
In case no one has said it lately. You earn your pay and then some. Thank you for your expertise and your patience.
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Post by hitmanray on Nov 3, 2016 12:47:27 GMT -5
Forgot about this thread. Having some issues with my Pi and this thread may help solve it.
Had a previous Pi 2B with Hifiberry Digi board running Volumio 1.x. Change bug hit me and I decided to have a go with the Chromecast Audio. Found the Chromecast to be temperamental so invested in a new Pi 3B (to gain wireless on board function) and downloaded Volumio 2. Intent was to use Hifiberry Digi again.
In all above cases source was being fed to a DC-1 using optical digital input. For some reason Hifiberry Digi is not working with Volumio 2. Completely forgot about the potential to use USB with DC-1. Want to see if this is a better option (even in the short term) than trying to solve the Digi compatibility issues.
Can anybody comment on the difference between Optical and USB digital inputs on DC-1 in terms of overall capabilities?
Also if anyone has specific experience of Pi 3 to DC-1 via USB I would appreciate the feedback.
For reference, my source material is either FLAC's ripped from CD and stored on a network drive, or Tidal streaming via Bubble uPnP to the Pi/Chromecast device.
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Post by KeithL on Nov 4, 2016 9:11:50 GMT -5
The Pi running Volumio has built in support for UAC2 - so you don't need to worry about USB drivers for the DC-1; it just works. The USB input on the DC-1 is asynchronous, which means that the DAC clocks the signal, so jitter is no longer an issue (even if you don't use the ASRC). Personally I would consider USB to be the preferred method - although I honestly don't hear any difference. I'm not aware of any specific benefits of optical, although, IF you had any ground noise issues, it is totally isolated - I did NOT have any ground noise issues on mine. (Note that you do want to keep your USB cable somewhat short - 6 feet will always work; and I've used the nine foot Amazon basics one; but I wouldn't go much longer.) However, Volumio 2 is quite new.... I would assume they'll sort out the compatibility issues pretty quickly since the HifiBerry stuff is pretty popular.... Forgot about this thread. Having some issues with my Pi and this thread may help solve it. Had a previous Pi 2B with Hifiberry Digi board running Volumio 1.x. Change bug hit me and I decided to have a go with the Chromecast Audio. Found the Chromecast to be temperamental so invested in a new Pi 3B (to gain wireless on board function) and downloaded Volumio 2. Intent was to use Hifiberry Digi again. In all above cases source was being fed to a DC-1 using optical digital input. For some reason Hifiberry Digi is not working with Volumio 2. Completely forgot about the potential to use USB with DC-1. Want to see if this is a better option (even in the short term) than trying to solve the Digi compatibility issues. Can anybody comment on the difference between Optical and USB digital inputs on DC-1 in terms of overall capabilities? Also if anyone has specific experience of Pi 3 to DC-1 via USB I would appreciate the feedback. For reference, my source material is either FLAC's ripped from CD and stored on a network drive, or Tidal streaming via Bubble uPnP to the Pi/Chromecast device. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Nov 4, 2016 9:39:36 GMT -5
Personally I would consider USB to be the preferred method - although I honestly don't hear any difference. Is HDMI also a decent option for audio on a Pi? Interested in using it with the UMC-200 without a USB DAC. |
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Nov 4, 2016 14:21:25 GMT -5
Personally I would consider USB to be the preferred method - although I honestly don't hear any difference. Is HDMI also a decent option for audio on a Pi? Interested in using it with the UMC-200 without a USB DAC. IMO, adding a HighFiBerry Digi+ to the RPI and connecting the UMC-200 via Toslink or Coax is a better option if you can't use USB. There is also a Digi+ Pro version coming that has better clocking circuits and can use a separate SPDIF power-supply. |
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Post by hitmanray on Nov 4, 2016 18:42:39 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the feedback.
Keith
Really appreciated the input here. I tried a USB connection last night to the DC-1 and it sounded great to my ear. As you mentioned no real noticeable difference (although I couldn't do a full A/B as the optical wasn't working). My concern was around bandwidth and jitter and your feedback was great in reassuring me on both counts. As you mentioned the drivers were all in place so just hooked the cable up, changed the output on the Pi and the input on the DC-1 and away it went.
As you mention, Volumio 2 is very new and I am sure they will get the bugs worked out. Overall the interface is really slick and gives me all the functionality I need at a really great value.
Chuck
Great feedback about the Digi+ Pro. I wasn't aware of this. Have been really pleased with the Hifiberry to date (up until the recent compatibility issues) so will definitely keep an eye out for that one.
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Post by cburbs on Nov 15, 2016 1:27:56 GMT -5
I want to try an onboard dac since I have always used a usb dac with my PI setups. HiFiBerry DAC+ Pro - Dedicated 192kHz/24bit high-quality Burr-Brown DAC for best sound quality MAMBOBERRY LS DAC+ - SABRE DAC (Sabre9023p dac chip) Durio Sound PRO - IQAudio Pi-DAC+ - TI Burr Brown 32-bit/384kHz DAC (TI PCM5122) PIANO Hi-Fi DAC - 384 kHz/32bit high-quality DAC PCM5122 Any others to add to the list before I give one a whirl? Here is some good info - rataks.com/blog/a-list-of-raspberry-pi-compatible-dacs.html |
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Post by jamco on Dec 2, 2016 15:11:07 GMT -5
Is HDMI also a decent option for audio on a Pi? Interested in using it with the UMC-200 without a USB DAC. IMO, adding a HighFiBerry Digi+ to the RPI and connecting the UMC-200 via Toslink or Coax is a better option if you can't use USB. There is also a Digi+ Pro version coming that has better clocking circuits and can use a separate SPDIF power-supply. Chuck,
I just received an email notification that the new Digi+ Pro board is now available directly from HiFiBerry. From my search it at least appears that this new board is NOT available in the U.S. yet.
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Dec 2, 2016 15:14:20 GMT -5
IMO, adding a HighFiBerry Digi+ to the RPI and connecting the UMC-200 via Toslink or Coax is a better option if you can't use USB. There is also a Digi+ Pro version coming that has better clocking circuits and can use a separate SPDIF power-supply. Chuck,
I just received an email notification that the new Digi+ Pro board is now available directly from HiFiBerry. From my search it at least appears that this new board is NOT available in the U.S. yet.
I've always ordered direct from them. |
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Post by itphoenix on Dec 10, 2016 20:45:27 GMT -5
Anybody using RuneAudio with the PI 3?
The only thing I use it for is playing music through USB on my XMC-1. I am doing everything over wireless with a USB drive plugged in directly that contains my FLAC files. I would love to be able to connect the Ethernet port of the PI to the XMC so that I could use my tablet as a remote as well.
It takes 2 seconds to create a bridge on a Windows computer to do this. I have tried doing the same with ArchLinux, but to no avail. There are apparently several ways to setup ArchLinux to use the ethernet port as a wireless AP, but I can't figure it out so that it works with RuneAudio.
There is a thread on RuneAudio that addresses this, but it is way too long to slog through.
I would be open to using other software if anyone uses the XMC-1 remote app and does everything wireless-ly. Anybody else do something similar and care to share?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 16:43:08 GMT -5
itphoenix- Kodi Pi should work.
Hemster reminded me about Vortexbox as a headless server and it works great with almost anything- Roku Soundbridge too, any browser for control. Rips & tags CDs to FLAC automatically and much faster than EAC.
Vortexbox pc hdmi / digital out to XMC.
My Vortexbox pc (old Optiplex 1.3Ghz dual core) doesn't have either digital or HDMI out, so I use Zotac pc w Kodi (which I don't like- pain in the *bleep*) to feed my UMC. I can use android browser as the Head or Kore android app to run Kodi.
Ya, it's redundant, but haven't gotten a board for the optiplex. (2 HDDs are better than one)
I have too many analogue units to go all digital- the 8" x 8" Zotac with a $30 Behringer DAC is portable to each.
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Post by jamco on Dec 14, 2016 17:05:52 GMT -5
Is HDMI also a decent option for audio on a Pi? Interested in using it with the UMC-200 without a USB DAC. IMO, adding a HighFiBerry Digi+ to the RPI and connecting the UMC-200 via Toslink or Coax is a better option if you can't use USB. There is also a Digi+ Pro version coming that has better clocking circuits and can use a separate SPDIF power-supply. Chuck – Thank you for your post on the new HiFiBerry Digi+ Pro SPDIF output board. This morning I received notification that my board shipped and should be here in a couple of weeks barring delays in customs. Everything else for my Raspberry Pi 3 build shows up on Friday. HiFiBerry states that “The Digi+ Pro card needs a new driver that isn't integrated in older Linux kernel that are still used by most distributions.” Several support websites indicated the same last weekend. A few folks said that piCorePlayer supports this new board. I'll likely start with piCorePlayer and eventually compare it to my Sonos Connect (SPDIF) using Tidal and Synology NAS. Time permitting, I'll update the kernel on Volumio 2. On a related note, by chance does anyone know which HiFiBerry Digi+ board (Transformer or Pro) Bryston selected for their BDP-Pi Digital Player ( link)? |
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Post by itphoenix on Dec 14, 2016 23:25:47 GMT -5
itphoenix- Kodi Pi should work. Hemster reminded me about Vortexbox as a headless server and it works great with almost anything- Roku Soundbridge too, any browser for control. Rips & tags CDs to FLAC automatically and much faster than EAC. Vortexbox pc hdmi / digital out to XMC. My Vortexbox pc (old Optiplex 1.3Ghz dual core) doesn't have either digital or HDMI out, so I use Zotac pc w Kodi (which I don't like- pain in the *bleep*) to feed my UMC. I can use android browser as the Head or Kore android app to run Kodi. Ya, it's redundant, but haven't gotten a board for the optiplex. (2 HDDs are better than one) I have too many analogue units to go all digital- the 8" x 8" Zotac with a $30 Behringer DAC is portable to each. Thanks for the reply. I installed Kodi yesterday. I am having a problem with getting it to bit-stream. I looked on line and saw others with the same problem. I have turned on the Audio Bypass, which from what I understand is supposed to not do anything to the output. However, I must select XMC Analog or SPD/IF as the output device. It doesn't sound right in Analog and sounds like garbage in SPD/IF. I don't use HDMI, which is all it seems to care about. Any ideas? Thanks. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Dec 15, 2016 0:50:23 GMT -5
Has anyone experimented with using a Raspberry Pi with Roon Endpoint software, getting Digital Audio files over wired Ethernet from a remote Roon Server and pumping the bits out the USB connected to the XMC-1? It's beginning to look like this is how I'm going to have to work with the RMC-1 when it comes out and I'm curious about others' experiences.
Casey
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 17:19:51 GMT -5
itphoenix
I have not used Rasp. Pi but should be like x86 version. I had a simular problem but forgot what setting needed to be changed.
Forget about analogue, use SPD/IF as the output device.
In the Settings make sure you have "expert" selected (bottom left corner) so you can go to audio & make the settings compatible with the Pre-amp. Also, you may need to turn on SPD/IF because Kodi may think the audio is outputted through HDMI.
Sorry I can't remember what the problem was, but was very easy to fix by changing a setting.
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Post by kauai82 on Dec 16, 2016 14:00:09 GMT -5
After reading this thread I have decided to get into Raspberry Pi3 game. I will use the basic version to start out with and add a separate DAC board to it later. I plan on using my XDA-2 to start out in my family room system. Will the Raspberry see the XDA-2 or do I need to configure something ? Thanks for the info. Matt |
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Post by Soup on Dec 16, 2016 17:06:14 GMT -5
Count me in. Mine has shipped.
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Post by pedrocols on Dec 16, 2016 19:12:41 GMT -5
After reading this thread I have decided to get into Raspberry Pi3 game. I will use the basic version to start out with and add a separate DAC board to it later. I plan on using my XDA-2 to start out in my family room system. Will the Raspberry see the XDA-2 or do I need to configure something ? Thanks for the info. Matt I would suspect the xda-2 will have to be physically connected to the raspberry via usb. |
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