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Feb 10, 2016 13:27:47 GMT -5
Post by Axis on Feb 10, 2016 13:27:47 GMT -5
I have 5.1 and when I watch a movie that has a lot of surround effects and the sound is going side to side or forward and back I get tickled. It is fun having the sound do crazy stuff while your watching a movie.
My eyes are glued to the TV and engrossed on what I see. I have never paused a movie and gone back to check the direction that the bullet went on my speakers. My 5.1 when there are a lot sound effects going on in a movie is way busy. My mind couldn't handle trying figure out my 5.1 if I wanted too. I let the people that make the movie decide which way things are going on the TV and speakers. I just enjoy the show.
10 years from now if all these extra surround channels are still around and I am able to add more channels to my room I will probably do it. Even then I will not worry about what the people that make the movie do with the sounds. I will still be engrossed in the movie and having fun. If sounds do some crazy stuff I will get tickled. I get tickle now with my 5.1 and do not feel like I am missing anything.
I watched 007 Spectre last night and never once thought about the sound. Did he quit his job ? I like Daniel Craig as Bond. I hope he sticks around.
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Feb 10, 2016 14:02:22 GMT -5
Post by mgbpuff on Feb 10, 2016 14:02:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure what is being argued here, but I get the impression that once again the need for immersive sound to be provided in pre-pros and A/V receivers is being questioned. It's pretty simple to me; I want ALL the formats available and all channels possible so that I can choose what to use and what not to use. Even if I only had a 5.1 system, I would not buy a new processor that limits expanding to 7.1 or 5.1.2 or 5.1.4 or 7.1.4 or whatever. How Atmos or DT-X decodes 5.1 or 7.1 is a moot discussion because it was not designed to be used as such and the correct decode algorithm is not going to disappear from processors due to the installed base. I do know that DSU performs wonderfully in converting 5.1 and 7.1 material to include height information for ceiling and height speakers once one goes to the length to install the extra speakers or to get Dolby enabled speakers. So the question is WHEN is EMOTIVA going to become a serious player in this technology?
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Feb 10, 2016 14:05:30 GMT -5
Post by Talley on Feb 10, 2016 14:05:30 GMT -5
If you already have the card of course but otherwise you are paying for a card on top of that price. Still not bad but more than currant used prices. It just depends on priorities. Precisely this. I feel like the card pricing right now is in anticipation of the XMR. With the XMC being my "ultimate processor" for years to come, the card at it's current prices would only save me about $100 over the recent sale price. I wish the fabled XMR would come out. I envision a rash of "obsolete" XMC's hitting the market at that time! Cheers, Michael Everything is obsolete when you buy it anyway in the world of processors. HDMI specs update yearly.... new encoding... etc. I don't see my XMC leaving my theater for at least a decade. Still makes one hell of a pre-amp. I'm sure things will come around like external atmos decoding OR the new 4K OPPO will include decoding all together in one and provide analog outputs and/or a way to increase the life of the XMC. I suspect this will happen just due to it's ability to decode everthing now. You can literally go OPPO > AMP and not even use a pre-amp. |
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Post by klinemj on Feb 10, 2016 14:09:48 GMT -5
I saw the XMC-1 early released options w/ the 40% sell for under 1400 which is lower than what I see them sell for now used a year later. If you have the 40% off... buy on day one. I got my XMC-1 new for $1199 with my 40% off card. The original list price was $1999. And, I have "Upgrade for Life", so I still get 25% off any future processor. I just might use it on the XMR-1 some day. We will see! That said, I've been seeing the 40% off cards still going for $350-$400. That is a deal considering that saves you $1000 off an XMC-1 or $2000 off an XMR-1 if the pricing holds. I have been tempted to buy a 40% off card at the current prices...just in case. I figure it's value will go up once the XMR comes out. Mark |
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Feb 10, 2016 14:18:58 GMT -5
Post by Talley on Feb 10, 2016 14:18:58 GMT -5
I don't care what you got it for, don't even care what I paid for mine (1750 used). I wanted it, I bought it. The new price at that time was 2k and mine came in mint and works great so I saved a lil of the retail.
Lets talk the reality of things. Emotiva killed their XPR amplifiers... their XMC has sold great... whats for them to change? They are not going to release an XMR anytime soon especially not even having amps to match it to.
A new model for the XMC will be issued is about the best bet you can ask for and that is not until they have milked all the XMC sales they can.
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Feb 10, 2016 14:23:49 GMT -5
Post by Bonzo on Feb 10, 2016 14:23:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure what is being argued here, Nothing, we are not arguing, just discussing.  Okay for you, but others don't necessarily feel that way. To each their own. I agree totally. A big reason why buying an XMC-1 is a "no dice" for some. So if you were to buy one now I guess you would have to buy one of the $20,000+ Trinnov options? Must be nice to be richer than rich.  Not necessarily true. DTS:X was designed to work and improve surround no mater how may speakers you have and no matter where you put them. That's good, because with TV broadcasts and Netflix etc. being so behind in the sound arena, it's likely to be years before Atmos or DTS:X get broadcast that way, especially for it to be the norm. |
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XMR-1
Feb 10, 2016 14:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by hemster on Feb 10, 2016 14:46:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure what is being argued here, Nothing, we are not arguing, just discussing. Oh yes we jolly well are!  |
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 10, 2016 14:56:37 GMT -5
I just might use it on the XMR-1 some day.....or $2000 off an XMR-1 if the pricing holds. I have been tempted to buy a 40% off card at the current prices...just in case. I figure it's value will go up once the XMR comes out. Well while I mostly agree with you here, you are assuming one thing "as for sure certain" that I am not. I'm not 100% certain the XMR-1 will ever come out. If it does, I think it's going to be a while (2017 at the soonest, if not 2018), and I think it's going to cost more than $5000 (which is already a lot of coin to drop on an always behind the 8 ball processor, which I doubt I will ever do). By that time it may already be behind (The XMC-1 is a great product but it is behind). Emotiva tried breaking into the uber class with the XMR amps and had to shut that operation down, most likely due to a lack of profitability (just me guessing). I just don't see a $5000+ processor being something that would be super profitable for the Emotiva brand. It's too expensive for the people who want one, and it's too "low class" for the people who like to brag about having Krell and the like. Don't get me wrong, I really hope a full blown XMR-1 with 16 fully balanced channels sees the light of day. For those who need it or can afford it or just want it for bragging rights, I'd love to see it happen. I'm just not counting on it. I'm really starting to think that a future XMC-2 that just has 4 more height channels and the proper decoders will be more likely, and more successful. Heck, this could even be achieved by using the Zone 1 & 2 outs that are already there as the height channels. (This would make sense since the Zone outs are typically more a novelty niche than a necessary feature. A more challenging thing to do might be to turn the unbalanced outputs into different channels, but I see this being much more of a long shot). I'm not sure if making the Zone outputs would require a new board, or just new wiring, or just some firmware updating or what. Could it really require an entire reworking of the unit? Perhaps Dirac causes the big hurdle? But if the price could stay even, or go up very little, this would make the XMC line a viable purchase for many for a long long time (much more than it is now). I will never need 16 unbalanced channels, so an XMC-2 with 7.2.4 Atmos & DTS:X capability would be on my very short list. It would make all this jibber-jabber discussion go away. The one and only thing I get from Emotiva "as for sure certain" is they change their minds like the wind. While I'm tempted to buy an upgrade card too, I really doubt I ever will because of this reason. It's a gamble to me, not a sure thing. That's unfortunate, but it is what it is. |
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 10, 2016 14:59:21 GMT -5
Nothing, we are not arguing, just discussing. Oh yes we jolly well are! Someone contact the FEDS!!!! We have a monkey moderator chain smoking and causing a ruckus in the lounge!!!!!  |
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Post by Axis on Feb 10, 2016 15:06:30 GMT -5
Hey you guys got a crystal ball in here and can predict the future !
What is oil going to do before Feb 18 ? Should I wait on Dividends to be issued ?
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Feb 10, 2016 15:11:36 GMT -5
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Post by iqsy59 on Feb 10, 2016 15:11:36 GMT -5
Precisely this. I feel like the card pricing right now is in anticipation of the XMR. With the XMC being my "ultimate processor" for years to come, the card at it's current prices would only save me about $100 over the recent sale price. I wish the fabled XMR would come out. I envision a rash of "obsolete" XMC's hitting the market at that time! Cheers, Michael Everything is obsolete when you buy it anyway in the world of processors. HDMI specs update yearly.... new encoding... etc. I don't see my XMC leaving my theater for at least a decade. Still makes one hell of a pre-amp. I'm sure things will come around like external atmos decoding OR the new 4K OPPO will include decoding all together in one and provide analog outputs and/or a way to increase the life of the XMC. I suspect this will happen just due to it's ability to decode everthing now. You can literally go OPPO > AMP and not even use a pre-amp. Yeah...I think we are saying exactly the same thing. I would not need more than an XMC for many years to come. That's why I want one. If I could find one for $1600 or less...$1700 new including purchase price of an upgrade card...I would pounce on it! Unfortunately those opportunities are rare to non-existent these days, so I will likely be relegated to settling for a lesser processor. Cheers, Michael |
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 10, 2016 15:16:25 GMT -5
Hey you guys got a crystal ball in here and can predict the future ! What is oil going to do before Feb 18 ? Should I wait on Dividends to be issued ? No crystal ball, it's the awesome weed hemster is smokin' that's got us all having contact high's. |
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Feb 10, 2016 15:45:53 GMT -5
Post by Axis on Feb 10, 2016 15:45:53 GMT -5
Hey you guys got a crystal ball in here and can predict the future ! What is oil going to do before Feb 18 ? Should I wait on Dividends to be issued ? No crystal ball, it's the awesome weed hemster is smokin' that's got us all having contact high's. is Cool ! |
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Feb 10, 2016 15:51:10 GMT -5
Post by Talley on Feb 10, 2016 15:51:10 GMT -5
I just might use it on the XMR-1 some day.....or $2000 off an XMR-1 if the pricing holds. I have been tempted to buy a 40% off card at the current prices...just in case. I figure it's value will go up once the XMR comes out. Well while I mostly agree with you here, you are assuming one thing "as for sure certain" that I am not. I'm not 100% certain the XMR-1 will ever come out. If it does, I think it's going to be a while (2017 at the soonest, if not 2018), and I think it's going to cost more than $5000 (which is already a lot of coin to drop on an always behind the 8 ball processor, which I doubt I will ever do). By that time it may already be behind (The XMC-1 is a great product but it is behind). Emotiva tried breaking into the uber class with the XMR amps and had to shut that operation down, most likely due to a lack of profitability (just me guessing). I just don't see a $5000+ processor being something that would be super profitable for the Emotiva brand. It's too expensive for the people who want one, and it's too "low class" for the people who like to brag about having Krell and the like. Don't get me wrong, I really hope a full blown XMR-1 with 16 fully balanced channels sees the light of day. For those who need it or can afford it or just want it for bragging rights, I'd love to see it happen. I'm just not counting on it. I'm really starting to think that a future XMC-2 that just has 4 more height channels and the proper decoders will be more likely, and more successful. Heck, this could even be achieved by using the Zone 1 & 2 outs that are already there as the height channels. (This would make sense since the Zone outs are typically more a novelty niche than a necessary feature. A more challenging thing to do might be to turn the unbalanced outputs into different channels, but I see this being much more of a long shot). I'm not sure if making the Zone outputs would require a new board, or just new wiring, or just some firmware updating or what. Could it really require an entire reworking of the unit? Perhaps Dirac causes the big hurdle? But if the price could stay even, or go up very little, this would make the XMC line a viable purchase for many for a long long time (much more than it is now). I will never need 16 unbalanced channels, so an XMC-2 with 7.2.4 Atmos & DTS:X capability would be on my very short list. It would make all this jibber-jabber discussion go away. The one and only thing I get from Emotiva "as for sure certain" is they change their minds like the wind. While I'm tempted to buy an upgrade card too, I really doubt I ever will because of this reason. It's a gamble to me, not a sure thing. That's unfortunate, but it is what it is. Exactly. Emotiva is for Sub $2,000 people... hence their XPR amps are no longer. They are really pushing their XMC at 2,500 but only they know how well it sells at that price. Pushing $5k people would rather spring for a Krell... a long term proven high end company. Emotiva is no where near remotely at that level. Sorry guys... my magic 8 ball says XMR-1 is about as real as unicorns.... even in design/planning stage. They talked about an XMR back when they had XPR amps... get the point. |
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 10, 2016 16:29:05 GMT -5
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Feb 10, 2016 16:33:06 GMT -5
Post by Axis on Feb 10, 2016 16:33:06 GMT -5
I was just imagining what 16 channels of fully balanced would look like. I would guess that it would be some combination of these 3 guys, but even more so. Yikes, but awesome. How about this.  |
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Post by klinemj on Feb 10, 2016 16:40:37 GMT -5
Exactly. Emotiva is for Sub $2,000 people... hence their XPR amps are no longer. They are really pushing their XMC at 2,500 but only they know how well it sells at that price. Pushing $5k people would rather spring for a Krell... a long term proven high end company. Emotiva is no where near remotely at that level. I disagree. Emotiva is for people who want strong value, independent of price. As for the XPR amps and why they are no longer, I suspect it was because they had a limited market due to needing to be shipped on a pallet and all the cost and hassle that comes with. Very few people really need/want as much power as they had, so I suspect independent of price...it would always be a low volume item. I would pay $5000 for the right piece of Emo gear if it gave me value over what I could buy elsewhere. Mark |
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Post by Axis on Feb 10, 2016 16:46:34 GMT -5
Exactly. Emotiva is for Sub $2,000 people... hence their XPR amps are no longer. They are really pushing their XMC at 2,500 but only they know how well it sells at that price. Pushing $5k people would rather spring for a Krell... a long term proven high end company. Emotiva is no where near remotely at that level. I disagree. Emotiva is for people who want strong value, independent of price. As for the XPR amps and why they are no longer, I suspect it was because they had a limited market due to needing to be shipped on a pallet and all the cost and hassle that comes with. Very few people really need/want as much power as they had, so I suspect independent of price...it would always be a low volume item. I would pay $5000 for the right piece of Emo gear if it gave me value over what I could buy elsewhere. Mark Mark I am so glad that Emotiva is not on the same level as Krell. Emotiva's level is awesome. Thank you Emotiva for being at your level.  |
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Feb 10, 2016 17:11:05 GMT -5
Post by rtg97229 on Feb 10, 2016 17:11:05 GMT -5
Precisely this. I feel like the card pricing right now is in anticipation of the XMR. With the XMC being my "ultimate processor" for years to come, the card at it's current prices would only save me about $100 over the recent sale price. I wish the fabled XMR would come out. I envision a rash of "obsolete" XMC's hitting the market at that time! Cheers, Michael Yep mine would be for sale quickly. I want the XMR1 like right now. I have my card, and my money. I call that a win-win for everybody |
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Feb 10, 2016 17:16:39 GMT -5
Post by rtg97229 on Feb 10, 2016 17:16:39 GMT -5
Exactly. Emotiva is for Sub $2,000 people... hence their XPR amps are no longer. They are really pushing their XMC at 2,500 but only they know how well it sells at that price. Pushing $5k people would rather spring for a Krell... a long term proven high end company. Emotiva is no where near remotely at that level. Sorry guys... my magic 8 ball says XMR-1 is about as real as unicorns.... even in design/planning stage. They talked about an XMR back when they had XPR amps... get the point. You could be right but I suspect the investment already made by Emotiva is enough that they will release something resembling an XMR. |
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