Erwin.BE
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Aug 26, 2015 13:04:11 GMT -5
Post by Erwin.BE on Aug 26, 2015 13:04:11 GMT -5
....shame to see this tech wither.... Yes, especially when all I'm asking for is less tech than your example. I did contact KeithL via PM and he graciously replied saying that while “...most DSP sets, including the one we use, have some sort of functionality like that built in, .....it would still require some effort to implement it, and the demand in the audiophile market simply isn't there.” So it’s not really Emotiva’s fault for not putting in their processors, it’s the fault of all the audiophile snobs out there who hate the “fun” DSP modes, but MUST have the crazy tweak every nuance of everything else EQ DSP abilities that rarely get used either. A big WHATEVER. I hate you all! Note to all: Of course I was saying that last sentence with a lot of sarcasm and wrote it in an over the top manner to make it jokingly funny. Hopefully you got that. But in reality, there is truth inside it. Tweakers get to have the expensive hard to implement awesome hi-end processing to make your room sound how YOU THINK it sounds best, but we can’t have some cheap easy to implement processing that, while certainly far from perfect, at least helps live show recordings sound more ambient to their location and come to life in our rooms. Makes zero sense to me. I had a Yamaha RX-V2700 with all those venue modes ("Hall in Vienna", Vanguard, ...). I tried it when new, but didn't bother anymore afterwards. You know, sometimes I go to an indoor rock concert and after I returned home, I often think my home stereo system sounds simply better... I take it for granted because I hear it every day, but when we return from a holiday break, I am always baffled how good it sounds. Dirac Unison, now that will be awesome! Hoping to experience it sometime next year on my brand new XMR-1 in my 13.3 or 15.1 set-up. During running, I was imagining adding a 3rd sub and where to put it and how big and which driver....
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Aug 26, 2015 13:30:03 GMT -5
Post by Bonzo on Aug 26, 2015 13:30:03 GMT -5
I had a Yamaha RX-V2700 with all those venue modes ("Hall in Vienna", Vanguard, ...). I tried it when new, but didn't bother anymore afterwards. I understand. It's not something even I would use all the time for sure. Only with live recordings, and then not always either. Even with a "Stadium" effect turned on for a live recording (I would never use for a studio recording), I'd bet most people here have systems that sound much better than the actual show. I know what you mean. I always like it when I come home from an Imax movie think how much better my system sounds at home. So while audiophile snobs might consider the DSP effects a sign of low end gear, I personally think they are being backasswards about it. Back in the day (as they say) when you saw a concert it was much more rare to be able to get a good quality recording of that actual show. You might find one from the tour, but not usually the show you saw. But anymore it's much more common place with downloads and torrents etc to get the shows you went to. I was able to get 2 Grateful Dead shows on CD that I saw back in 1994!!! Many bands (like The String Cheese Incident) even sell the shows shortly after the show happened. How that night sounded was fresh in my mind when my CD's arrived. When I listed to the CD with no DSP, it just wasn't as exciting. Sounded good yes, but it lacked the emotion of being there. But when I turned on the "Stadium" effect, I got goose bumps and felt like I was at Red Rocks again. That sort of feeling just can't be dismissed. Keith and I discussed a possible work around using an old receiver or stand alone processor, and it would work, but it is a work around, and would require a lot more room in the rack. Also having an entire 120wpc receiver in the rack only for "Stadium" sound effects is a lot of overkill in my opinion.
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novisnick
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Aug 26, 2015 13:37:21 GMT -5
Post by novisnick on Aug 26, 2015 13:37:21 GMT -5
There is also the great soundscape of live sporting events!!,,,,,,I love when the guy Hawks peanuts from the third aisle behind me!!
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Aug 26, 2015 14:34:14 GMT -5
Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 26, 2015 14:34:14 GMT -5
The XMC-1 does include a whole slew of "direct access" commands.. (Many of these were always there, but they have been expanded.) To me, if we're using the XMC-1 as a base, there are much more important and basic features to get right. After living with the XMC-1 for a couple of months I'm very impressed with the sound quality, construction, and appearance. To me the Achilles' heel is the remote command set. I'm not talking about the physical remote and don't want to open that debate here, but rather the IR & IP commands that can be accepted, interpreted, and acted upon. From all I've experienced and gathered from others, neither IR nor IP can do anything that's not available on the physical remote. That means you can't directly select any input that you haven't assigned to one of the seven virtual inputs. If you have more than seven then good luck, you can try to get a Harmony or other universal to do the 'scroll' method, but it's problematic. I want a full featured IR/IP command set that can be queried for current state and that can access all of the processor's features directly. I can only hope this can be added to the XMC-1, but if the XMR-1 doesn't have it, I'm out (and I'm a buyer at the current price). KeithL, thank you for releasing this documentation and confirming that these capabilities exist (it saved an eMail to Dan on how Emo could have possibly missed this! ). I'd previously PM'd others who are familiar with the IR/IP capabilities and this is certainly good news to many. Does this mean that at some point (soon please!), Logitech/Harmony will get an updated command set for their database? Thanks again.
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Aug 26, 2015 15:20:36 GMT -5
Post by KeithL on Aug 26, 2015 15:20:36 GMT -5
The XMC-1 does include a whole slew of "direct access" commands.. (Many of these were always there, but they have been expanded.) KeithL, thank you for releasing this documentation and confirming that these capabilities exist (it saved an eMail to Dan on how Emo could have possibly missed this! ). I'd previously PM'd others who are familiar with the IR/IP capabilities and this is certainly good news to many. Does this mean that at some point (soon please!), Logitech/Harmony will get an updated command set for their database? Thanks again. The versions that I posted here are available to anyone who asks... and they've never asked for a copy. I assume they add devices either when they notice them - or when their customers ask them to... (Feel free to send them a copy if you have a contact address...
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Aug 26, 2015 16:03:24 GMT -5
Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 26, 2015 16:03:24 GMT -5
KeithL, thank you for releasing this documentation and confirming that these capabilities exist (it saved an eMail to Dan on how Emo could have possibly missed this! ). I'd previously PM'd others who are familiar with the IR/IP capabilities and this is certainly good news to many. Does this mean that at some point (soon please!), Logitech/Harmony will get an updated command set for their database? Thanks again. The versions that I posted here are available to anyone who asks... and they've never asked for a copy. I assume they add devices either when they notice them - or when their customers ask them to... (Feel free to send them a copy if you have a contact address...
I've never sent codes to Logitech / Harmony before and assumed that manufactures like Emotiva submitted them directly. No? In any case I've distracted this thread and should probably move over to the IR thread where this has been discussed. Thanks
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Post by socketman on Aug 29, 2015 20:00:07 GMT -5
Here is something I would like to see in these modern electronic devices. Since they are for all intents and purposes a computer I think some functionality should be added for power consumption. I would like to be able to set it up to standby and or hibernate at a certain times, no need for any power when were all sleeping and then off to work. I have some many devices sucking power around the house the hydro bill just keeps getting higher and higher. There is no need for an amp ,pre/pro , TV etc to sit in any type of standby mode when not in use. Old TV's needed to warm up but today that should not be the case, only a small amount of power for the KAM memory should be required .
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Erwin.BE
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Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 4, 2015 13:53:48 GMT -5
I had scrapped the extra subs from my design, but hearing what Dirac Unison can do (use speakers/subs actively to counter problems caused by other speaker/subs in the setup), I implemented them again. Ra, ra, what will it be, 9.3.4 or 9.1.6? Only time will tell!
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Sept 4, 2015 13:59:35 GMT -5
Post by Bonzo on Sept 4, 2015 13:59:35 GMT -5
View AttachmentI had scrapped the extra subs from my design, but hearing what Dirac Unison can do (use speakers/subs actively to counter problems caused by other speaker/subs in the setup), I implemented them again. Ra, ra, what will it be, 9.3.4 or 9.1.6? Only time will tell! Wow! Awesome drawing! You are a man of my own heart. Can you turn off some of the layers so we can check it out a little easier? And you are a man on a mission! All that for THREE seats? ? That's a lot of planing and money for 3 seats. But impressive still. Keep up the good work.
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Erwin.BE
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Sept 4, 2015 18:00:35 GMT -5
Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 4, 2015 18:00:35 GMT -5
Front row could actually sit 7 with a bit of squeezing. Back row is a desk/eating table with 6 chairs. You can't see it because of the layer of the ceiling absorbers... It's a multifunctional space.
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Sept 4, 2015 18:36:59 GMT -5
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 4, 2015 18:36:59 GMT -5
Front row could actually sit 7 with a bit of squeezing. Back row is a desk/eating table with 6 chairs. You can't see it because of the layer of the ceiling absorbers... It's a multifunctional space. Ah okay. Cool. Like I said if you could turn off a few of the layers then repost that would be easier. I love the detail but for general viewing and basic room layout something more simple would be cool to see. I dont need to see your every calculation for ceiling absorbers for example. But please dont get me wrong. Your level of detail is awesome. I love it. What's your day job? An aeronautics engineer?
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Sept 4, 2015 18:42:46 GMT -5
Post by altloff on Sept 4, 2015 18:42:46 GMT -5
I had scrapped the extra subs from my design, but hearing what Dirac Unison can do (use speakers/subs actively to counter problems caused by other speaker/subs in the setup), I implemented them again. Ra, ra, what will it be, 9.3.4 or 9.1.6? Only time will tell! Makes my cheesy little android app drawing look like a refrigerator drawing from a 5 yr old. Attachments:
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Erwin.BE
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Sept 5, 2015 12:32:34 GMT -5
Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 5, 2015 12:32:34 GMT -5
Front row could actually sit 7 with a bit of squeezing. Back row is a desk/eating table with 6 chairs. You can't see it because of the layer of the ceiling absorbers... It's a multifunctional space. Ah okay. Cool. Like I said if you could turn off a few of the layers then repost that would be easier. I love the detail but for general viewing and basic room layout something more simple would be cool to see. I dont need to see your every calculation for ceiling absorbers for example. But please dont get me wrong. Your level of detail is awesome. I love it. What's your day job? An aeronautics engineer? In general, I am a building construction manager... in practice, I mostly do calculation for a general construction builder. Oh, and I am a trained Interior designer! The CAD is Vectorworks an I can assure you some people are 100 x better in it than I am. We didn't even use CAD yet when I was in school, decades ago.
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Post by novisnick on Sept 5, 2015 22:56:23 GMT -5
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Sept 15, 2015 11:49:59 GMT -5
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Post by frankie2075 on Sept 15, 2015 11:49:59 GMT -5
Should I buy the xmc-1 or wait for the XMR. Just got off the phone and said prob another year or 2 before they release a processor. Anyone have info as to when it's coming? Or price est? So I can start saving.
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Sept 15, 2015 12:17:56 GMT -5
Post by novisnick on Sept 15, 2015 12:17:56 GMT -5
Should I buy the xmc-1 or wait for the XMR. Just got off the phone and said prob another year or 2 before they release a processor. Anyone have info as to when it's coming? Or price est? So I can start saving. Start saving! 5-6 large range,,,,Im guessing (educated guess) last we heard it was 2016 at the latest,,,,,,but we all know how that works out,,,,,
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Sept 15, 2015 12:20:39 GMT -5
Post by Jim on Sept 15, 2015 12:20:39 GMT -5
Should I buy the xmc-1 or wait for the XMR. Just got off the phone and said prob another year or 2 before they release a processor. Anyone have info as to when it's coming? Or price est? So I can start saving. This thread is nothing official, but might have something helpful for you: emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/41536/xmr-1-spec-updatesMSRP of around $5k. Unless you're OK with waiting a "couple" years (could be more than 2), you might want to just jump on the XMC-1.
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Sept 15, 2015 12:35:48 GMT -5
Post by Bonzo on Sept 15, 2015 12:35:48 GMT -5
I had scrapped the extra subs from my design, but hearing what Dirac Unison can do (use speakers/subs actively to counter problems caused by other speaker/subs in the setup), I implemented them again. Ra, ra, what will it be, 9.3.4 or 9.1.6? Only time will tell! Makes my cheesy little android app drawing look like a refrigerator drawing from a 5 yr old. Yeah, but it looks like you have one hell of a room! Here's my even crappier drawing of my multi-purpose TV/Theater/Music/Bar room. MEDIA ROOM.pdf (49.43 KB)
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Erwin.BE
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Sept 15, 2015 15:56:26 GMT -5
Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 15, 2015 15:56:26 GMT -5
Makes my cheesy little android app drawing look like a refrigerator drawing from a 5 yr old. Yeah, but it looks like you have one hell of a room! Here's my even crappier drawing of my multi-purpose TV/Theater/Music/Bar room. View AttachmentYou need the VOG ceiling fan! Attachments:
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Sept 15, 2015 16:16:03 GMT -5
Post by Bonzo on Sept 15, 2015 16:16:03 GMT -5
You need the VOG ceiling fan! I actually LOVE the one I have now. It's a Lowe's exclusive. I coveted it for about 1-1/2 years and finally pulled the trigger last fall. 72" and 9 blades of brushed nickle & black pure mechanical helicopter looking goodness. In our room with the 92" ceilings it's almost like having one of those Bigassfans. You ever seen those? Loweswww.lowes.com/pd_198689-88854-LP8146LBN_0__?productId=3576602Here is a picture of it before I did the remodeling of the room and new custom cabinets. Here is a picture during the remodel where you can see it okay. Bigassfanswww.bigassfans.com/
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