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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 23:46:12 GMT -5
The NEW 7 channel 200 watt fan cooled amplifier by KRELL
Krell Chorus 7200 Amplifier
Cost = $9500.00
Take a look at this amplifier that appears to be POWER RATED more like an AV and cost $9500.00
"Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 133.9 watts"
"Ethernet, You or your dealer can even monitor the heat sink temperature via Internet" Specs and reveiws are online.
The reveiw I viewed online was from Sound And Vision
The EMOTIVA XPA-7 only cost $1599.00 for non existing members and produces 200 watts per channel...
Has KRELL reinvented the "wheel" for 7 channel, 200 watts per channel amplifiers?
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 7, 2015 13:58:35 GMT -5
I saw this review in Sound & Vision and the first thing I thought was these are the kinds of numbers that are the norm for receivers. The specs, which are eye-opening, were never discussed in the main body of the review and I would think a professional reviewer would have compared these to other power amplifiers in the Krell's so-called class. Only in the "Test Bench" area are you left to determine for yourself that the Chorus 7200 was lacking in power for the $9,500 msrp. Sound & Visions test bench below show a real 133.9 watts x 7. Below is what Sound & Vision has shown in their "Test Bench" for the Krell Chorus 7200. Krell Chorus 7200 Amplifier Test Bench Test Bench Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 192.4 watts 1% distortion at 215.7 watts Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 134.4 watts 1% distortion at 163.0 watts Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 133.9 watts 1% distortion at 162.4 watts  |
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Post by brubacca on Mar 7, 2015 14:04:21 GMT -5
Is it redundant to say that Krell is overpriced junk?
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Post by deltadube on Mar 7, 2015 14:07:14 GMT -5
some companies will do anything for a buck!
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 7, 2015 14:13:38 GMT -5
It seems to me that for something like an amp (well for any sort of electronic gear), the laws of physics would apply. If you're trying to have a straight wire with gain then why does it cost a company like Krell so much to do so when other companies like Emotiva can do it for far less?
Among the answers would be (1) you pay for the Krell label, or (2) somehow they are able to alter physics, same as how some cable manufacturers have unlocked that secret, too.
Some folks are gonna appreciate your good taste when they see a Krell component in your rack and other folks will appreciate your good taste when they see an Emotiva component in your rack. All other things being equal, if I were hiring someone I'd hire the latter.
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Post by brubacca on Mar 7, 2015 14:14:23 GMT -5
For almost $10'000 the damn amp should output it's rated power with all channels driven...
This stinks almost as bad as the Lexicon/Oppo DVD player fiasco...
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 7, 2015 14:19:53 GMT -5
For almost $10'000 the damn amp should output it's rated power with all channels driven... This stinks almost as bad as the Lexicon/Oppo DVD player fiasco... Did someone open it up to check to see if there wasn't an Emo UPA-7 inside? Oh never mind, then it would have measured better than it did.  |
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Post by bootman on Mar 7, 2015 15:00:37 GMT -5
Is it redundant to say that Krell is overpriced junk? I would not go as far as condemning the entire line, but this particular model should not be advertised as a 200x7 amp. |
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Post by novisnick on Mar 7, 2015 15:11:32 GMT -5
Is it redundant to say that Krell is overpriced junk? I would not go as far as condemning the entire line, but this particular model should not be advertised as a 200x7 amp. Must be that new math!!! |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 7, 2015 15:16:15 GMT -5
I thought to myself, "I wonder if people can discuss Krell without the typical meaningless price bashing?" Nope.
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Post by brubacca on Mar 7, 2015 15:22:41 GMT -5
I thought to myself, "I wonder if people can discuss Krell without the typical meaningless price bashing?" Nope. I honestly wouldn't bash the price if the amp actually put out it's rating, but it doesn't. The way I was raised it's called lying... |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 7, 2015 16:04:43 GMT -5
I would not go as far as condemning the entire line, but this particular model should not be advertised as a 200x7 amp. Must be that new math!!! Yes, that's Common Core math.. the answer is wrong (doesn't meet spec) but it is still fine if you can explain your reasoning (want to sell amps and having more power is a good selling point). |
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Post by vneal on Mar 7, 2015 16:36:18 GMT -5
Me I would take the Krell over my McIntosh amp or the Emotiva. Would I buy it? No! You are buying a nameplate.
Do I think it sounds better? Probablly not. It is all about snob appeal
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Post by novisnick on Mar 7, 2015 16:43:51 GMT -5
Yes, that's Common Core math.. the answer is wrong (doesn't meet spec) but it is still fine if you can explain your reasoning (want to sell amps and having more power is a good selling point). AH! And you " Feel " good about it,,,,,,,right? |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 7, 2015 17:00:22 GMT -5
Yes, that's Common Core math.. the answer is wrong (doesn't meet spec) but it is still fine if you can explain your reasoning (want to sell amps and having more power is a good selling point). AH! And you " Feel " good about it,,,,,,,right? My self esteem is through the roof!  |
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 7, 2015 19:37:25 GMT -5
Is it redundant to say that Krell is overpriced junk? I would not go as far as condemning the entire line, but this particular model should not be advertised as a 200x7 amp. I'd suspect the 5 channel version, Krell Chorus 5200, probably doesn't live up to the manufacturers claims of 200 watts x 5 as well. I've not seen any other claims on their other amplifier lines(past/current) so I would be inclined to believe their specs. I also wouldn't ever call Krell power amplifiers junk, as I've demoed past Krell products and the build is quite tank-like, and sounded as good as any other boutique product I've compared them to. I will say that Emotiva's(Dan and Lonnie's) disclosure of the 4 & 8 ohm AP bench tests of their power amplifiers are a good practice and other manufacturers would do well to follow suit. Just to add from another article I just read on "The Poor Audiophile", the Chorus 5200 & 7200 have gone up $1,000 in price since Jan 1, 2015, so they are now $8,500 & $10,500 respectively. www.pooraudiophile.com/2014/12/krell-set-to-increase-pricing-on-chorus.html |
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Post by Lsc on Mar 7, 2015 20:01:00 GMT -5
It's interesting how times have changed. I believe they used to underrate their amps. Krell was the holy grail of solid state amps back in the 90's. I'm not going to childishly bash Krell (as tempting as it is  ), but I wonder how my XMC-1 compares to the Krell Foundation? We need a comparo so people like me can stop comparing the XMC-1 to Marantz and compare it to the likes of Krell and Theta. Yes, I'm even more juvenile than the lot of ya  |
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 7, 2015 20:25:16 GMT -5
Personally I think the Krell Foundation and Emotiva XMC-1 would be directly comparable, both being 7.1/7.2 processors. The Krell, I think is a Cirrus based platform and I'm going to guess that ARES(room correction software)is a variant of the Cirrus based room correction, beefed up if you will, but again that is a guess. Krell back in October offered an upgrade board of HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 and DSD decoding for early adopters at an introductory offer of $1,000, which has since gone up to $2500. The pre HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2, 4K version went for $6,500 and now the current 4K version is offered at $7,500. A nice feature of the new HDMI board is the two independent HDMI outputs which can display two different 4K sources. Just my opinion but $2,500 is pretty steep for such an upgrade for early adopters. I've not had the pleasure of demoing the Krell Foundation but I too would be quite interested to hear from anyone that has compared the Foundation and XMC-1 head to head, and what there personal thoughts were.
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Post by Lsc on Mar 7, 2015 21:31:51 GMT -5
Cirrus? That's right! I'm sure their analog section is much better than the UMC-200.
It does look like they did a nice job of offering the 4K for the early adopters so they aren't paying more than the late comers. But I just read up on their forum on avs...what a train wreck with the suppliers. They are doing their best to make it right though.
Too bad Krell or Theta won't be at Axpona. Maybe another vendor will use it but with diff rooms, it's not really a valid comparison. Emotiva looks like booked a ballroom.
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Post by Lsc on Mar 8, 2015 10:52:08 GMT -5
Personally I think the Krell Foundation and Emotiva XMC-1 would be directly comparable, both being 7.1/7.2 processors. I've not had the pleasure of demoing the Krell Foundation but I too would be quite interested to hear from anyone that has compared the Foundation and XMC-1 head to head, and what there personal thoughts were. This is the only one I found. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/39551/xmc-1-krell-foundation |
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), but I wonder how my XMC-1 compares to the Krell Foundation? We need a comparo so people like me can stop comparing the XMC-1 to Marantz and compare it to the likes of Krell and Theta. Yes, I'm even more juvenile than the lot of ya 
