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Post by novisnick on May 19, 2019 14:18:24 GMT -5
Geez !!! Just do like the old days and tape a quarter to the tone arm head. Tracking and anti skating will be solved at one time. And it will leave a deeper groove for tracking on future plays. LOL As long as you’re willing to start that “Go-Fund Me” account, me and you are good! LOL
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Post by dsonyay on May 19, 2019 14:53:39 GMT -5
Geez !!! Just do like the old days and tape a quarter to the tone arm head. Tracking and anti skating will be solved at one time. And it will leave a deeper groove for tracking on future plays. LOL That last sentence made me laugh. Once the groove gets deep enough you won't need the coin
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Post by dsonyay on May 19, 2019 14:56:38 GMT -5
Such a minuscule anti skate adjustment can make such a huge difference in the stereo image that is presented! ❤️🥰🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🤯 oh yeah.. if you look close enough you can see the headshell pulling outwards causing stylus to look like it's bending... Add a litte antiskate and it all evens out.
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Post by novisnick on May 22, 2019 20:55:18 GMT -5
Thinking hard about upgrading my vinyl system a piece or two at a time. Most likely start with a low mass cartridge and matching phono preamp. I should take my time and $$ o go slow. No need to change TT yet. Withdrew the idea of changing just the tonearm, going that route wouldn’t maximize what improvements would come with a new TT.
The P8 is a really good buy at it’s price range, 3K with new Neo upgraded speed control and the RP 880 tonearm. If I go with cartridge and preamp only I’ll have a 6 months to a year to save for a newer TT, OR should I find a buyer here for my RP6 with or without the Exact II . Decisions, decisions! 🤔
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Post by lehighvalleyjeff on May 22, 2019 21:08:29 GMT -5
Thinking hard about upgrading my vinyl system a piece or two at a time. Most likely start with a low mass cartridge and matching phono preamp. I should take my time and $$ o go slow. No need to change TT yet. Withdrew the idea of changing just the tonearm, going that route wouldn’t maximize what improvements would come with a new TT. The P8 is a really good buy at it’s price range, 3K with new Neo upgraded speed control and the RP 880 tonearm. If I go with cartridge and preamp only I’ll have a 6 months to a year to save for a newer TT, OR should I find a buyer here for my RP6 with or without the Exact II . Decisions, decisions! 🤔Hey Nick I was at the Hifi shop the other day and heard the RP8 and Acoustic Signature Wow XL both through Sutherland Duo preamp. My impressions were pretty subjective but I thought the Rega was ok. Could have been influence of the cartridge bc Acoustic Signature had Cadenza Red on and no clue what cartridge the Rega comes with. The difference was immediately noticeable and again it could have been the cartridge synergy with the preamp or whatever. Instead of doing it all at once I bought my table and tonearm. Then saved for killer cartridge and then finally upgraded the preamp after upgrading the tonearm cable. Absolutely no regrets and I think my vinyl system is complete. If I upgrade it’s not going to be out of any necessity. I’ve literallly never experienced the musical enjoyment from vinyl in my life the way I am now. Whatever you decide I’m sure you will be happy and it will go to good use! 😎
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Post by novisnick on May 22, 2019 21:13:16 GMT -5
Thinking hard about upgrading my vinyl system a piece or two at a time. Most likely start with a low mass cartridge and matching phono preamp. I should take my time and $$ o go slow. No need to change TT yet. Withdrew the idea of changing just the tonearm, going that route wouldn’t maximize what improvements would come with a new TT. The P8 is a really good buy at it’s price range, 3K with new Neo upgraded speed control and the RP 880 tonearm. If I go with cartridge and preamp only I’ll have a 6 months to a year to save for a newer TT, OR should I find a buyer here for my RP6 with or without the Exact II . Decisions, decisions! 🤔Hey Nick I was at the Hifi shop the other day and heard the RP8 and Acoustic Signature Wow XL both through Sutherland Duo preamp. My impressions were pretty subjective but I thought the Rega was ok. Could have been influence of the cartridge bc Acoustic Signature had Cadenza Red on and no clue what cartridge the Rega comes with. The difference was immediately noticeable and again it could have been the cartridge synergy with the preamp or whatever. Instead of doing it all at once I bought my table and tonearm. Then saved for killer cartridge and then finally upgraded the preamp after upgrading the tonearm cable. Absolutely no regrets and I think my vinyl system is complete. If I upgrade it’s not going to be out of any necessity. I’ve literallly never experienced the musical enjoyment from vinyl in my life the way I am now. Whatever you decide I’m sure you will be happy and it will go to good use! 😎 Thanks so much for your input! I sure wish I had somewhere to demo gear, four hour round trip minimum for me, I’m not so good in a car for long rides anymore but if I could make a day of it! 👍 As a side note the Rega TT do not come with a cartridge though they do hav3 a couple of recommendations that they make. Cheers
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Post by brubacca on May 23, 2019 7:44:38 GMT -5
Nick,
Its a shame you don't live near lehighvalleyjeff. That shop he goes to is awesome. Plus it is literally attached to a record shop.
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Post by novisnick on May 23, 2019 9:21:01 GMT -5
Nick, Its a shame you don't live near lehighvalleyjeff. That shop he goes to is awesome. Plus it is literally attached to a record shop. AH! That sounds like a trip I need to make! LOL I may be Philly bound next year. I’ll have some rounds to make.
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Post by lehighvalleyjeff on May 23, 2019 13:54:03 GMT -5
Nick, Its a shame you don't live near lehighvalleyjeff. That shop he goes to is awesome. Plus it is literally attached to a record shop. AH! That sounds like a trip I need to make! LOL I may be Philly bound next year. I’ll have some rounds to make. I’m less than an hour from Philly. You come up and we will show you around. Scott is 10 minutes from me too.
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Post by KeithL on May 23, 2019 15:28:10 GMT -5
When it comes to vinyl playback, the cartridge is the single component that will have the biggest effect on what you hear. Like speakers, cartridges are both electrical and mechanical devices. Because of this, none of them is especially neutral, and they tend to sound very different from each other in a variety of ways.
The next biggest difference is going to be the phono preamp. A phono preamp includes a rather extreme equalization curve (RIAA playback curve). Because this curve introduces a lot of boost and cut at various frequencies, and is often implemented in the analog domain, there is often significant variation between different phono preamps. Even beyond that, there is a lot of interaction between the cartridge and the phono preamp, which is why many combinations do or don't sound good together. (The exact load presented by the preamp and cable actually have a major effect on the frequency response of the cartridge - which is then added to the differences in the individual components.)
In contrast, the tonearm is a relatively simple device, so there is a lot less opportunity for it to introduce major differences in sound. (You're not likely to hear major differences in how two tonearms sound unless one of them has serious design problems or hasn't been set up properly.) This is even more true for the actual turntable itself. The turntable is supposed to turn the record at a nice consistent speed - and do nothing else whatsoever. So, as long as two turntables get reasonably close to that goal, they're unlikely to sound very different.
Thinking hard about upgrading my vinyl system a piece or two at a time. Most likely start with a low mass cartridge and matching phono preamp. I should take my time and $$ o go slow. No need to change TT yet. Withdrew the idea of changing just the tonearm, going that route wouldn’t maximize what improvements would come with a new TT. The P8 is a really good buy at it’s price range, 3K with new Neo upgraded speed control and the RP 880 tonearm. If I go with cartridge and preamp only I’ll have a 6 months to a year to save for a newer TT, OR should I find a buyer here for my RP6 with or without the Exact II . Decisions, decisions! 🤔Hey Nick I was at the Hifi shop the other day and heard the RP8 and Acoustic Signature Wow XL both through Sutherland Duo preamp. My impressions were pretty subjective but I thought the Rega was ok. Could have been influence of the cartridge bc Acoustic Signature had Cadenza Red on and no clue what cartridge the Rega comes with. The difference was immediately noticeable and again it could have been the cartridge synergy with the preamp or whatever. Instead of doing it all at once I bought my table and tonearm. Then saved for killer cartridge and then finally upgraded the preamp after upgrading the tonearm cable. Absolutely no regrets and I think my vinyl system is complete. If I upgrade it’s not going to be out of any necessity. I’ve literallly never experienced the musical enjoyment from vinyl in my life the way I am now. Whatever you decide I’m sure you will be happy and it will go to good use! 😎
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Post by brubacca on May 23, 2019 15:42:02 GMT -5
See Nick even KeithL thinks you should get that new cartridge first!
The Table does spin the record, but since it is mostly a mechanical device it also needs to be as inert as possible. Any mechanical vibration would affect the cartridge and conversion of the groove to electrical signal.
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Post by lehighvalleyjeff on May 23, 2019 19:44:48 GMT -5
See Nick even KeithL thinks you should get that new cartridge first! The Table does spin the record, but since it is mostly a mechanical device it also needs to be as inert as possible. Any mechanical vibration would affect the cartridge and conversion of the groove to electrical signal. Nick I put my big money in cartridge n phono preamp. What I’m hearing makes me very happy. For what it’s worth that’s my free advice. Lol
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Post by novisnick on May 23, 2019 20:37:56 GMT -5
See Nick even KeithL thinks you should get that new cartridge first! The Table does spin the record, but since it is mostly a mechanical device it also needs to be as inert as possible. Any mechanical vibration would affect the cartridge and conversion of the groove to electrical signal. Nick I put my big money in cartridge n phono preamp. What I’m hearing makes me very happy. For what it’s worth that’s my free advice. Lol Txs, Yep, that’s where I came down on the topic. I was hoping I conveyed that. Now, to find a low mass MC to match a mid priced phono preamP.
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Post by DavidR on May 23, 2019 21:46:44 GMT -5
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Post by novisnick on May 23, 2019 22:54:16 GMT -5
Nick I put my big money in cartridge n phono preamp. What I’m hearing makes me very happy. For what it’s worth that’s my free advice. Lol Txs, Yep, that’s where I came down on the topic. I was hoping I conveyed that. Now, to find a low mass MC to match a mid priced phono preamP. Ive been investigating and I’m now leaning towards a Fixed Coil Moving Iron cartridge. Lets just see how steep they get! $🤔
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Post by novisnick on May 23, 2019 23:12:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the post! 🎶 Old stock prices seem to continue to clime, $60:cartridge in 2015. Mixed reviews.
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Post by brubacca on May 24, 2019 5:14:38 GMT -5
Nick,
Cartridge/Tonearm combinations have a natural or resonant frequency. Vinylengine has a calculator. You need to know the mass of the tonearm (my rb220 is 11g), the mass of the cartridge (and fasteners) and the compliance of the cartridge. These items will spit out a frequency. This calculation needs to result in a value of 8hz - 12hz for a combination, or it will not sound good.
Also with the Rega you'll need to know the height fron end of the tip to top of the cart. Rega carts are 14mm. Most others are larger and will require schims to be put under the tonearm for proper setup.
All this information is not always readily available. As I have been looking for a cartridge for my P2 I have just found all this out.
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Post by brubacca on May 24, 2019 6:34:09 GMT -5
You could "hit the easy button" and get the Rega Apheta MC cartridge and Ania phono stage.
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Post by DavidR on May 24, 2019 8:26:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the post! 🎶 Old stock prices seem to continue to clime, $60:cartridge in 2015. Mixed reviews. I've never seen one for $60; not new/unused - maybe $360. I run one most of the time and love it. Great bass, treble/detail almost as good as my Sonus Blue. It won't jump a track with very low frequencies like some many do.
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Post by novisnick on May 24, 2019 9:31:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the post! 🎶 Old stock prices seem to continue to clime, $60:cartridge in 2015. Mixed reviews. I've never seen one for $60; not new/unused - maybe $360. I run one most of the time and love it. Great bass, treble/detail almost as good as my Sonus Blue. It won't jump a track with very low frequencies like some many do. I had found this on the interweb. 😋 audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/acutex-412-str-cartridge.663657/Overall it still seems like a very good cartridge
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