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Post by mauriceproductions on May 13, 2015 13:25:59 GMT -5
Ill more then likely buy brand new. I don't have a problem dropping the cash but won't pass up a good deal if i find one. I do see RF-7 ll in my future maybe paired with some XPR 2 & 5. (now i am just getting ahead of myself)
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Post by vneal on May 13, 2015 16:04:02 GMT -5
No question get the Klipsch center channel. All speakers have a character sound and you want to maintain this similar sound
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Post by The History Kid on May 13, 2015 23:20:49 GMT -5
Should tell you a bit there...
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Post by selkec on May 15, 2015 13:41:58 GMT -5
Not to mention the rc64 is or looks like real wood. Not some ugly veneer fake looking stuff.
If looks matter you will want the rc64
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Post by mauriceproductions on Jun 4, 2015 12:16:23 GMT -5
Figured id update this and let you Guys know the wife and I had a Big conversation, Drum roll please ................................................ at the end of the month I will be upgrading my front sound stage with 2 RF-7 II and a RC-64 ll. Figured why not go big or go home. I did however try to pull out the CC and talk her into The Palladium Series but with a 1500 SQ Condo she was not having it unless we were moving plus that would involve upgrading my rears . Klipsch has some amazing deals till July the 4. Looks like I have an early Birthday gift coming my way. Oh yea.
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Post by novisnick on Jun 6, 2015 0:02:16 GMT -5
Great choice... Happy Early Birthday and Enjoy! Just another note concerning the Klipsch RF-7ii they will perform the best with 520 + watts. I personally read several reviews online that stated they performed the best with 1000 watt mono blocks. I was in disbelief prior to my setup. I started with 200 watts per channel. I then moved to XPA-2 gen2, but was unpleasant and and fatiguing (up in you face sound) I then moved up to the XPA-7 and while listing to two channel the NEW sound was soothing and upmost pleasant. I Also have the XPA-1 gen2 and the sound reproduction is very close. I realize these speakers are very efficient but power does matter. You may speak to Klipsch directly for futher advice, but do not speak to SALES pertaining this performance advice. You will be lead into many confusion directions. Speak to tech for futher advice. Experience says much with these speakers. If I remember correctly there's other members with similar advice. My advice is the XPA-7 which will perform up to 7 channels, but when it comes to two channel listing the XPA-7 SHINES with the Klipsch RF-7ii... Cheers and don't be discourage to experiment with your power supply! I will testify to the fact that Klipsch towers love all the power they can get! Fact drawn from experience not hear-say. they become more then they are with 1000 wpc @ 8 ohms. Enjoy the Power!
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Post by mauriceproductions on Jun 6, 2015 20:00:52 GMT -5
While I appreciate the knowledge and information Gentleman I think I am going to stick it out with my XPA-2 Gen 2 for now. For one I just purchased my emo gear this pass christmas. Two I probably won't be listing at references levels for a while until i get into a single family home. Maybe next upgrades will include an XPR 2 and 5. Plus my cabinet has no room for 3 amps and my Pre/Prp with out proper ventilation. I am just happy to be going with the RF-7 ii and RC-64 ii setup. I do appreciate the help but will run on the XPA 2 for a while and let you know what I think.
Respectfully
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Post by teaman on Jun 6, 2015 20:19:56 GMT -5
Congrats on your incoming additions. If you are at all entertaining a thought of upgraditis in the coming year to an XPR-2 or something now might be a good time. If you are in the E-Club you can knock off 20% from the list price. Plus you can quickly sell that Gen 2 XPA-2 right here....or trade it in for a good price!
Also, I am certainly not knocking you keeping the XPA-2, I love that amp as you can see in my signature!
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Post by mauriceproductions on Jun 7, 2015 17:43:29 GMT -5
So what advantage am i really going to have upgrading right away? My XPA-2 is 300 RMS per channel. The RF-7 ii are only 250 RMS. Are you saying I won't gain to much from the Extra 50 RMS that I may not even use at references levels ? Just Trying to get an idea of what the Hype is going with mono blocks , XPA-7, or XPR when powering the RF-7 ii (edit)
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 7, 2015 19:36:29 GMT -5
Oh well - As usual, I'm the odd man out... If you really want a Klipsch center, go for it. Will it be "better" in any way then your existing ML? I doubt it seriously. Merely being from the same manufacturer does NOT a coherent system make. Further, even the center speaker that the manufacturer intends to be the "match" for your sides probably isn't any better than random chance.
The ONLY way to have the center as close as possible to the right/left fronts is to use EXACTLY the same make/model speaker and have it oriented the same way (horizontal/vertical) as the other two. With any other option, you get different dispersion, different frequency response, and different room effects. Even with three identical speakers, It won't sound identical. Why not? Your room acoustics are different for each of the three speaker locations.
Now the foolishly optimistic among us would tell you that electronic digital signal processing (REW-DSP-MOUSE) will bring salvation to your disparately singing speakers. Not to be too factual about it, but I've not found it so. Both Emo-Q and Yamaha YPAO failed to do any better than random to my ears and in my room.
So to summarize, I think you're wasting money on a different center channel, but I could be wrong. If you go that route, let us know what you think.
Boomzilla
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Post by mauriceproductions on Jun 8, 2015 12:06:17 GMT -5
Good review, First will see if I can get a good trade in or sell them for a good price. Not to sure I want to budge and redo my setup again. Plus putting in 2 20 amp outlets just seems like a lot of work for 3 amps or 2 XPR. Then upgrading power conditioner to handle 20 amp is going to be some money spent. Decisions Decisions what have I done. May have to do some testing myself. (edit) 20 % off does not sound bad either.
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Post by novisnick on Jun 8, 2015 12:35:20 GMT -5
Good review, First will see if I can get a good trade in or sell them for a good price. Not to sure I want to budge and redo my setup again. Plus putting in 2 20 amp outlets just seems like a lot of work for 3 amps or 2 XPR. Then upgrading power conditioner to handle 20 amp is going to be some money spent. Decisions Decisions what have I done. May have to do some testing myself. (edit) 20 % off does not sound bad either. What are you going to power? You sure don't need all of that for a pair of XPR-1s, I know that for a fact! I run my XPR-1s and a TV and my whole bedroom on one 15 amp breaker and everything else and then some on another breaker. Never have I had a problem or come up short on power. Get cha some Big Dogs!!
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Post by mauriceproductions on Jun 8, 2015 13:24:34 GMT -5
Ok well thats good news. So please correct me if I am wrong. You are running dual XPR's on one 15amp breaker. No issues what so ever ? Just trying to get my ducks in a row before telling the wife I want to spend some more cash if you know what i mean. I also want to get the most out of my mains for what its worth. What do you think about getting another XPA 2 and running them in mono block mode ? would that sound good or would i get too much ground noise ? Thanks for the help and knowledge again fellas.
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Post by mauriceproductions on Jul 6, 2015 20:12:02 GMT -5
Just placed the order this passed Friday for the Klipsch RF-7ii Front stage, I have been traveling a lot for work lately. Also didn't want to spend anymore money on amps or reconfigure my setup again. I think my XPA 2 and 5 will do just fine for now. Will Keep you post once i receive them and hook them up.
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Post by novisnick on Jul 6, 2015 20:20:02 GMT -5
Just placed the order this passed Friday for the Klipsch RF-7ii Front stage, I have been traveling a lot for work lately. Also didn't want to spend anymore money on amps or reconfigure my setup again. I think my XPA 2 and 5 will do just fine for now. Will Keep you post once i receive them and hook them up. I had you Klipsch 28s and was going that way or the Paradigms, you have taken the other road that I have not traveled, please let me know how you like/love them. I was so torn,,,,,,,great choice, now you may need a larger room.
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Post by scrappydue on Jul 6, 2015 22:05:32 GMT -5
Just placed the order this passed Friday for the Klipsch RF-7ii Front stage, I have been traveling a lot for work lately. Also didn't want to spend anymore money on amps or reconfigure my setup again. I think my XPA 2 and 5 will do just fine for now. Will Keep you post once i receive them and hook them up. too bad i didn't see this sooner. i have a palladium setup for sale for a screaming deal. and also don't listen to what everyone is saying about the amps. that xpa-2 will drive you out of the room with rf-7ii's. the reason these guys can run all those amps on a single circuit is because with a extremely efficient speaker you won't use even close to the amount of power those amps are capable of.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jul 7, 2015 5:42:07 GMT -5
...The RF-7ii's are power hungry... I must politely disagree thatcher - Klipsch specifies these speakers as having a sensitivity of 101 dB at one watt at one meter. They also specify a nominal 8 ohm impedance. This is, by any definition, an "easy to drive" pair of speakers. A cell phone could drive them to deafening levels. If you mean that they can tolerate high powers without damage, you are correct. Klipsch specifies them as having 250 watt RMS and 1,000 watt peak capabilities. But just because they CAN tolerate this wattage does NOT mean that they are "power hungry." Quite the opposite, in this case. I believe that the amplifiers that the purchaser is considering (XPA-2 and/or XPA-5) are more than sufficient with these speakers. Is there any more to be had by going to higher power amplifiers? I'd say no. Last time I ran an amplifier shootout, we couldn't tell the XPA-2 from a Mini-X - and this with speakers far less sensitive than the RF-7 models that the poster has. More amplifier power is NOT always better power. How much is "enough" varies inversely with speaker sensitivity. The Klipsch speakers are some of the most sensitive on the market, and "enough" power is significantly less than it might be for other speakers. You may hear bigger amplifiers as "better," but I question whether the "better" you're hearing is from the higher power. Perhaps you just prefer the sound of one amp over another, and the amp you prefer just happens to be the higher power one? I don't think that you can extrapolate the experience to say "higher power amps always sound better." Otherwise, a 2,000 watt "pro" amplifier in class D operation would be "better" than anything that Emotiva offers. Since we can (probably) agree that this isn't so, I contend that what you're hearing as "better" is not simply higher power. Cordially - Boomzilla
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Post by KeithL on Jul 7, 2015 10:22:42 GMT -5
You also need to understand how S/N Ratio works with very efficient speakers. The S/N RATIO is just that - a ratio between the full power of an amplifier and its noise floor. This means that, if you have a 20 watt amplifier, and a 200 watt amplifier, both with a rated S/N of 100 dB (referenced to full power), then the 200 watt amp will be ten times as powerful, but it will also make ten times as much background noise. (If the ratio is the same, when you increase the maximum power by 10x, you also increase the noise by 10x. It's just simple math. However, with very efficient speakers, that 10x might be the difference between inaudible hiss and annoying hiss.) Even with relatively quiet amps like ours, you can sometimes hear a little hiss on a very efficient speaker like a Klipsch (it depends a lot on things like how live the room is and how quiet your source is). However, my point is that you should be very careful if you're considering connecting very powerful pro equipment to a speaker that efficient, and make sure it has a very high S/N ratio, or you may hear a lot of hiss. ...The RF-7ii's are power hungry... I must politely disagree thatcher - Klipsch specifies these speakers as having a sensitivity of 101 dB at one watt at one meter. They also specify a nominal 8 ohm impedance. This is, by any definition, an "easy to drive" pair of speakers. A cell phone could drive them to deafening levels. If you mean that they can tolerate high powers without damage, you are correct. Klipsch specifies them as having 250 watt RMS and 1,000 watt peak capabilities. But just because they CAN tolerate this wattage does NOT mean that they are "power hungry." Quite the opposite, in this case. I believe that the amplifiers that the purchaser is considering (XPA-2 and/or XPA-5) are more than sufficient with these speakers. Is there any more to be had by going to higher power amplifiers? I'd say no. Last time I ran an amplifier shootout, we couldn't tell the XPA-2 from a Mini-X - and this with speakers far less sensitive than the RF-7 models that the poster has. More amplifier power is NOT always better power. How much is "enough" varies inversely with speaker sensitivity. The Klipsch speakers are some of the most sensitive on the market, and "enough" power is significantly less than it might be for other speakers. You may hear bigger amplifiers as "better," but I question whether the "better" you're hearing is from the higher power. Perhaps you just prefer the sound of one amp over another, and the amp you prefer just happens to be the higher power one? I don't think that you can extrapolate the experience to say "higher power amps always sound better." Otherwise, a 2,000 watt "pro" amplifier in class D operation would be "better" than anything that Emotiva offers. Since we can (probably) agree that this isn't so, I contend that what you're hearing as "better" is not simply higher power. Cordially - Boomzilla
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Post by novisnick on Jul 7, 2015 11:45:56 GMT -5
Hey!!,,,,,,Booooommmmm!!
Let me share,,,,again. I've owned the exact speakers that the OP has/had, and I can/will attest that the amp makes a difference, in my case a huge difference. Going from an XPA-5 to a XPA-1Ls to XPR-1 makes a bigger and bigger improvement IMHO! Dynamics, depth, clarity and sound stage all improved with each step up.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jul 7, 2015 16:55:29 GMT -5
Hey!!,,,,,,Booooommmmm!! Let me share,,,,again. I've owned the exact speakers that the OP has/had, and I can/will attest that the amp makes a difference, in my case a huge difference. Going from an XPA-5 to a XPA-1Ls to XPR-1 makes a bigger and bigger improvement IMHO! Dynamics, depth, clarity and sound stage all improved with each step up. I absolutely believe you, Nick. All I'm saying is that the improvements may NOT be just from the power increases. In fact, were available power the one simple factor that provided audio "improvement," then a 3,000 watt industrial auditorium amp would sound better than anything else on the market. It doesn't (voice of experience, here). Therefore the improvements you hear as you move up the Emotiva food-chain are from something else in addition to just "more power." Capeesh? Boom
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