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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 15, 2015 21:53:18 GMT -5
I notice there is a Marantz AV8802A on eBay new in box for $2500 right now. There was 2 but one sold already. Anyone still think price point is an excuse worth using to not compare it to the XMC-1?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 5:27:23 GMT -5
I notice there is a Marantz AV8802A on eBay new in box for $2500 right now. There was 2 but one sold already. Anyone still think price point is an excuse worth using to not compare it to the XMC-1? Imho you would still need Dirac. So consider it 3500$ |
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Post by KeithL on Sept 16, 2015 8:41:16 GMT -5
It's pretty simple. If you HAVE a 40% discount card, which you would have gotten when you bought a UMC-1 (or if you bought a card itself on eBay), you can still use it - and I haven't heard of any plans to change that. We are no longer offering 40% discount cards, although you can still occasionally find them for sale here or on eBay. HOWEVER, remember that: 1) The 40% card is like cash - it can be bought, sold, and transferred (and you need the physical card to use it). 2) You don't have to be an original owner, or even an owner at all, to use the card. 3) But the card can only be used once - just like cash - you use it and it's gone. 4) Some International customers didn't get a physical 40% card, but they still have a "virtual card" in our system, which they can use, buy, or sell - once. If you are " IN" the 25% discount for life program, which you got into by buying a qualifying product WHILE IT WAS BEING OFFERED, you can use THAT for the rest of your life: We are no longer offering NEW memberships in the 25% discount for life program either. 1) The 25% discount for life remains with the original purchaser; you can't buy, sell, or gift it, and you don't get in by buying a used product (the membership remains with the original owner). 2) As with the card, we are no longer offering membership in the discount for life program with a purchase... (since it can't be bought, sold, or transferred, that means you can't get it if you don't already have it). they gave you wrong info the upgrade for life program ended on may 1st. so unless you were already part of it (prior to may 1)...you do not get added to it. so you would not get a 25% discount...nor would you on any future processor purchases Well I'm going to have to fight them on that one. Or maybe replay there tapes. Cause that's what she told me and I wouldn't know that unless someone told me. |
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Post by unsound on Sept 16, 2015 8:56:30 GMT -5
I notice there is a Marantz AV8802A on eBay new in box for $2500 right now. There was 2 but one sold already. Anyone still think price point is an excuse worth using to not compare it to the XMC-1? Is it BNIB from an authorized dealer? The reason I ask is that, AFAIK, Denon and Marantz warranties are not transferable. |
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 16, 2015 10:19:26 GMT -5
I notice there is a Marantz AV8802A on eBay new in box for $2500 right now. There was 2 but one sold already. Anyone still think price point is an excuse worth using to not compare it to the XMC-1? Imho you would still need Dirac. So consider it 3500$ I think the need to buy Dirac separate is a comparison point. I am not stating that one is better than the other in all cases just that they are a valid comparison. |
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 16, 2015 10:41:11 GMT -5
I notice there is a Marantz AV8802A on eBay new in box for $2500 right now. There was 2 but one sold already. Anyone still think price point is an excuse worth using to not compare it to the XMC-1? Is it BNIB from an authorized dealer? The reason I ask is that, AFAIK, Denon and Marantz warranties are not transferable. I'm not sure if the eBay ones at $2500 where from an authorized dealer or not but many discounted ones are such as the $2799 one on audiogon and the $3000 or best offer ones often on eBay are. The transferable warranty of Emotiva compared to having to provide a receipt (if you buy used have them provide the receipt from when they bought it) is a point of comparison. Another possible point of comparison is reliability and need to use the warranty. |
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Post by creimes on Sept 16, 2015 10:52:19 GMT -5
I guess if cost is no issue then it would be up to the buyer on what features or qualities they would want, heck there is a local brick and mortar store in town here that sells the Anthem gear and the one processor is a measly $10,500 hahaha
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 16, 2015 10:53:52 GMT -5
I guess if cost is no issue then it would be up to the buyer on what features or qualities they would want, heck there is a local brick and mortar store in town here that sells the Anthem gear and the one processor is a measly $10,500 hahaha Yeah but does it support Dirac?  |
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Post by creimes on Sept 16, 2015 11:00:09 GMT -5
I guess if cost is no issue then it would be up to the buyer on what features or qualities they would want, heck there is a local brick and mortar store in town here that sells the Anthem gear and the one processor is a measly $10,500 hahaha Yeah but does it support Dirac? It will for another $1000 haha, assuming ARC doesn't do what you want it to, I still stick to my XMC-1 choice, I paid $1800 CAD for it about a month ago which is a fantastic price considering our dollar right now, heck the used ones sell for more than that in the US right now and and US dollars haha |
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 16, 2015 11:16:56 GMT -5
Yeah but does it support Dirac? It will for another $1000 haha, assuming ARC doesn't do what you want it to, I still stick to my XMC-1 choice, I paid $1800 CAD for it about a month ago which is a fantastic price considering our dollar right now, heck the used ones sell for more than that in the US right now and and US dollars haha Under $1400 USD is a really good deal. |
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Post by creimes on Sept 16, 2015 11:24:09 GMT -5
It will for another $1000 haha, assuming ARC doesn't do what you want it to, I still stick to my XMC-1 choice, I paid $1800 CAD for it about a month ago which is a fantastic price considering our dollar right now, heck the used ones sell for more than that in the US right now and and US dollars haha Under $1400 USD is a really good deal. Yeah it was from a fellow Canadian here on the lounge, that's why I jumped haha |
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Post by unsound on Sept 16, 2015 12:00:12 GMT -5
Is it BNIB from an authorized dealer? The reason I ask is that, AFAIK, Denon and Marantz warranties are not transferable. I'm not sure if the eBay ones at $2500 where from an authorized dealer or not but many discounted ones are such as the $2799 one on audiogon and the $3000 or best offer ones often on eBay are. The transferable warranty of Emotiva compared to having to provide a receipt (if you buy used have them provide the receipt from when they bought it) is a point of comparison. Another possible point of comparison is reliability and need to use the warranty. I quickly glanced at the Audiogon listing and, personally, I wouldn't have a lot of trust in the warranty claim. Audiogon doesn't show the seller as an authorized dealer and there's a grand total of 6 reviews. But, that's up to whomever is buying it. I'm sure you can get lucky and get the 8802A at $2500 with full warranty from an authorized dealer, but I wouldn't say that's the norm. But, you can get similarly lucky and get the 40% discount card for $300 and buy the XMC for $1800. I'd rather stick with median purchase price than outliers. Frankly, I haven't read most of this thread and I'm not even sure why you're trying to equate the price of these 2. If someone wants Dirac, the 8802A is not an option. If someone wants Atmos, the XMC is not an option. If someone wants neither, there's a host of other options. I don't have enough data to see which brand has better reliability. I see plenty of refurbished items being sold by both brands. |
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 16, 2015 12:12:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure if the eBay ones at $2500 where from an authorized dealer or not but many discounted ones are such as the $2799 one on audiogon and the $3000 or best offer ones often on eBay are. The transferable warranty of Emotiva compared to having to provide a receipt (if you buy used have them provide the receipt from when they bought it) is a point of comparison. Another possible point of comparison is reliability and need to use the warranty. I quickly glanced at the Audiogon listing and, personally, I wouldn't have a lot of trust in the warranty claim. Audiogon doesn't show the seller as an authorized dealer and there's a grand total of 6 reviews. But, that's up to whomever is buying it. I'm sure you can get lucky and get the 8802A at $2500 with full warranty from an authorized dealer, but I wouldn't say that's the norm. But, you can get similarly lucky and get the 40% discount card for $300 and buy the XMC for $1800. I'd rather stick with median purchase price than outliers. Frankly, I haven't read most of this thread and I'm not even sure why you're trying to equate the price of these 2. If someone wants Dirac, the 8802A is not an option. If someone wants Atmos, the XMC is not an option. If someone wants neither, there's a host of other options. I don't have enough data to see which brand has better reliability. I see plenty of refurbished items being sold by both brands. I think my case is simple. I am not saying what is better or for who just that price is not a good reason to not compare the units. They are close enough in price and the price of the Marantz is negotiable so I think comparisons are fair to make. Yes I know that Atmos, and Dirac are things that people may want, those are both points to compare and reasons to pick one over the other. |
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Post by unsound on Sept 16, 2015 12:31:51 GMT -5
I think my case is simple. I am not saying what is better or for who just that price is not a good reason to not compare the units. They are close enough in price and the price of the Marantz is negotiable so I think comparisons are fair to make. Yes I know that Atmos, and Dirac are things that people may want, those are both points to compare and reasons to pick one over the other. Well, it would have to be a combination of price, features, and performance. But, sure, people should consider any and all units available on the market that meet their needs for features and performance in their price-range. |
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Post by KeithL on Sept 16, 2015 13:51:49 GMT -5
There is also a significant difference in how the Emotiva/XMC-1 version of Dirac Live and the separate version work.... The correction filters used by Dirac Live on the XMC-1 are implemented in the XMC-1's processors - which means that, on the XMC-1, you can apply Dirac correction to any of the XMC-1's inputs, including content you're listening to via HDMI, or via the analog inputs. (With the XMC-1, only the calibration module for Dirac Live is run on your separate computer.) With the separate (software) version of Dirac Live, both the configuration process AND the filters themselves are run as software on your computer. This means that you can ONLY use the separate version of Dirac Live with digital audio content you're playing from or through your computer. (So, specifically, you could use it to correct movies you're playing on your HTPC, or with audio you're playing with an audio player, but you would NOT be able to use it with any of the other audio inputs on a pre/pro or AVR like the Marantz - until and unless they offer the option of running Dirac ON the unit itself. Basically it's a computer software-only version and so is only capable of correcting audio content that you're actually playing through the computer it's running on.) Imho you would still need Dirac. So consider it 3500$ I think the need to buy Dirac separate is a comparison point. I am not stating that one is better than the other in all cases just that they are a valid comparison. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 14:03:13 GMT -5
There is also a significant difference in how the Emotiva/XMC-1 version of Dirac Live and the separate version work.... The correction filters used by Dirac Live on the XMC-1 are implemented in the XMC-1's processors - which means that, on the XMC-1, you can apply Dirac correction to any of the XMC-1's inputs, including content you're listening to via HDMI, or via the analog inputs. (With the XMC-1, only the calibration module for Dirac Live is run on your separate computer.) With the separate (software) version of Dirac Live, both the configuration process AND the filters themselves are run as software on your computer. This means that you can ONLY use the separate version of Dirac Live with digital audio content you're playing from or through your computer. (So, specifically, you could use it to correct movies you're playing on your HTPC, or with audio you're playing with an audio player, but you would NOT be able to use it with any of the other audio inputs on a pre/pro or AVR like the Marantz - until and unless they offer the option of running Dirac ON the unit itself. Basically it's a computer software-only version and so is only capable of correcting audio content that you're actually playing through the computer it's running on.) I think the need to buy Dirac separate is a comparison point. I am not stating that one is better than the other in all cases just that they are a valid comparison. What?! Keith do you know what we are talking about? I'm talking about the minidsp 88a which in fact uses ANY input the avr throws at it since it is used from the avr 7.1 ANALOG outs. It does NOT run through the computer. Maybe your talking about the 2 channel Dirac? Not sure. And if you are that explains a lot. And you didn't read all the loss in this thread. Again. The 88a takes the info (it doesn't care if it's from a movie 2 channel dish network etc) from the analog outputs of the avr or pre pro. Take that info then adds Dirac to it. Plus it allows to save 4 different configurations. So imho it's much better than the xmc-1 implementation |
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 16, 2015 14:24:26 GMT -5
I think Keith's confusion is that there is a more popular version of Dirac that is PC software run on a computer. For people not buying the XMC-1 (and I think it is a great option for some people) I think the way @bmoney did it with the minidisp 88a is the most practical solution I have seen yet.
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 16, 2015 14:31:08 GMT -5
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 16, 2015 14:47:38 GMT -5
I still like the minidsp 88a much better than this but for 7.1 users with something like the UMC-200 this is not a bad option. www.minidsp.com/products/ht-series/nanoavr-dlSorry for going so far off topic though. If there is not one already maybe we need a what method of Dirac do you prefer thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 14:55:28 GMT -5
Yeah. that's what k think Keith is talking about too. But it's not what we have been talking about for the last two pages
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