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Post by novisnick on Jul 14, 2015 15:33:04 GMT -5
And yes oh are the troll imho and other opinion since you are so stubborn and wrong at the same time Excuse me sir, but does the fact that You don´t agree with my experiences make me att troll!? In what way am I stubborn? Is it because I don´t change my mind just because You say I´m wrong? I just don´t get it. You have a PM
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 15:45:11 GMT -5
And yes oh are the troll imho and other opinion since you are so stubborn and wrong at the same time Excuse me sir, but does the fact that You don´t agree with my experiences make me att troll!? In what way am I stubborn? Is it because I don´t change my mind just because You say I´m wrong? I just don´t get it. Woah I never called you a troll. I was agreeing with your friends who said they think you are the one being referred to. As the troll. Only because what you are stating as fact is so far from every white paper on proper multichannel movie setup in the home. And you swear it's a hidden discovery and that all professional companies and installers have to be wrong To some that seems like. Troll. That's all. IMHO you are the one being referred to as the troll. (Notice I never called you a troll and still haven't)
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Post by brutiarti on Jul 14, 2015 15:50:03 GMT -5
I think that Having a phantom center channel instead of a dedicated center speaker is a compromise. If you enjoy the phantom center good for you but you cannot say that is the same or better. IMHO
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Post by novisnick on Jul 14, 2015 15:59:09 GMT -5
michaelg523,
Do you know how to access a Private Message?
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Post by michaelg523 on Jul 14, 2015 16:14:01 GMT -5
michaelg523, Do you know how to access a Private Message? Yes! (And You´ve got an answer...)
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Post by bolle on Jul 14, 2015 16:19:29 GMT -5
They also claim that it was me who was regarded as the troll! And I should have been suspicous when I didn´t meet any arguments or facts of any kind, just statements that I was wrong. Michael, you don´t bring any arguments yourself, you just Keep repeating that you and only you know the holy grail / secret Sauce / whatever. Sorry but - NO! I had Stereo Setups for home Cinema. I had and have 5.x Setups with always 5 identical Speakers. I develop my own Speakers and I have quite some experience as a certified Senior Sound judge in high end car hifi SQ competitions. I really prefer a Setup with a real center. I also mentioned the design of a Speakers and its crossover regarding to toe in or not to toe in. Also I mentioned the room, which regarding its acoustical Qualities (reflections etc.) and Speaker Placement is quite important imho. You ignored both statements. Sorry, but I also had the "troll" in the back of my head already. You just Keep repeating the same record and don´t have any arguments, measurements or whatever. Again, sorry but - NO! Best regards Fabian
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Post by pedrocols on Jul 14, 2015 16:24:38 GMT -5
This is sooooo confusing...Can we just sit down and WATCH a movie?
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Post by novisnick on Jul 14, 2015 16:26:24 GMT -5
This is sooooo confusing...Can we just sit down and WATCH a movie? I refuse to watch in only two channel ,,,,,,,,plus two,,,,,,,
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Post by bolle on Jul 14, 2015 16:37:45 GMT -5
Actually we bought a house in April and I am still in the Progress of Setting up my home Cinema. But I am seeing light, Basic acoustics done, SBA done, Speakers Standing, cable Routing done... Only Need a Weekend free time to measure and dial in my active crossovers - and staple the centerstage UF to the Frame.
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Post by michaelg523 on Jul 14, 2015 16:38:44 GMT -5
Only because what you are stating as fact is so far from every white paper on proper multichannel movie setup in the home. And you swear it's a hidden discovery and that all professional companies and installers have to be wrong To some that seems like. Troll. That's all. IMHO you are the one being referred to as the troll. (Notice I never called you a troll and still haven't) Well I have to correct You. I have read some "white paper" how to set up the speakers when you don´t want a center. It´s not entirely benefiting the sound with a center speaker. And it is defenetly not a hidden discovery. It´s a well known fact by many audiophiles. Although many, it´s still a small part of the entire multichannel society. And it´s absolutely no abracadabra in it. Just plain old physics. But maybe a little out of the box. All professional companies and installers are not wrong. In fact it was a professionel loudspeaker maker that tought me this some years ago. His name i Ingvar Oeman, and he is among other things responsible for the speaker "Guru" which I beleive is sold in the United States. Most of all I´m surprised that the facts I was telling were so controversiell; You can manage the center signal between the front and center speakers in some receivers and that influenses the need of power. And by toein-in your speakers a lot, You get a very large sweet field. These are no opinions or not about right or wrong. These are plain facts. But You can have an opinion about whether this completely will take away the need of a center speaker, or not. You can also have an opinion about whether the toing-in affects the sound stage negatively in any way or not. And about this we can debate!
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Post by pedrocols on Jul 14, 2015 16:40:07 GMT -5
This is sooooo confusing...Can we just sit down and WATCH a movie? I refuse to watch in only two channel ,,,,,,,,plus two,,,,,,, I am still confuse!! How many eyes do you have? This should potentially suffice for a 7.2 system as lower frequencies are not directional....
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Post by michaelg523 on Jul 14, 2015 16:40:30 GMT -5
Garbulky - my friend!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 16:44:38 GMT -5
Only because what you are stating as fact is so far from every white paper on proper multichannel movie setup in the home. And you swear it's a hidden discovery and that all professional companies and installers have to be wrong To some that seems like. Troll. That's all. IMHO you are the one being referred to as the troll. (Notice I never called you a troll and still haven't) Well I have to correct You. I have read some "white paper" how to set up the speakers when you don´t want a center. It´s not entirely benefiting the sound with a center speaker. And it is defenetly not a hidden discovery. It´s a well known fact by many audiophiles. Although many, it´s still a small part of the entire multichannel society. And it´s absolutely no abracadabra in it. Just plain old physics. But maybe a little out of the box. All professional companies and installers are not wrong. In fact it was a professionel loudspeaker maker that tought me this some years ago. His name i Ingvar Oeman, and he is among other things responsible for the speaker "Guru" which I beleive is sold in the United States. Most of all I´m surprised that the facts I was telling were so controversiell; You can manage the center signal between the front and center speakers in some receivers and that influenses the need of power. And by toein-in your speakers a lot, You get a very large sweet field. These are no opinions or not about right or wrong. These are plain facts. But You can have an opinion about whether this completely will take away the need of a center speaker, or not. You can also have an opinion about whether the toing-in affects the sound stage negatively in any way or not. And about this we can debate! Lmao. Plain FACTS?! Ok im officially done. And i feel bad for you. troll on my man
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Post by michaelg523 on Jul 14, 2015 16:45:21 GMT -5
Michael, you don´t bring any arguments yourself, you just Keep repeating that you and only you know the holy grail / secret Sauce / whatever. Sorry but - NO! No holy grail here. Just good old physics. It´s about how the different frequences reach your ear. If you don´t beleive it, than just enjoy what You have. If You are curious - try it. It wouldn´t cost You anything but some time.
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Post by novisnick on Jul 14, 2015 16:49:39 GMT -5
I refuse to watch in only two channel ,,,,,,,,plus two,,,,,,, I am still confuse!! How many eyes do you have? This should potentially suffice for a 7.2 system as lower frequencies are not directional.... But one of my systems is a 11.2 speaker setup!!! How ow many toes do you have??
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Post by michaelg523 on Jul 14, 2015 16:50:04 GMT -5
Lmao. Plain FACTS?! Ok im officially done. And i feel bad for you. troll on my man Ok, obviously we misunderstand each other. Exactly what isn´t a fact? Is it that some receivers can manage the center channel between the center ant front speakers? Or is it that this effect the power need? Or is it that most speakers give a considerably larger sweet field when toeing-in the way I suggest? Or is it something else? I just don´t understand what upsets You. And I really don´t mean to!
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Post by novisnick on Jul 14, 2015 16:53:08 GMT -5
Wait a sec b!!!!!!! How many movies do you own that are recorded for 5.1 speakers? 7.2 speakers? ? Neo6 Dolby Atmos? ? dSx? ? What the hell are you doing with more then 2 speakers?? Gezzzz some guys?!?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 16:55:28 GMT -5
Ok last post cause i feel bad. There is no such thing as a sweet field. Its documneted that using a phantom center while effective causes sweetspotting. Meaning slightly off axis results in poor imaging of dialog. This is why it is ideal to use a center channel. And even more ideal to use an exact soeaker as your mains for this center speaker. This results in zero compromise and the best possible sound for hime theater.
Yes avrs can process center channel info to the mains Yes it will effect power needed
But a big NO IT DOES NOT provide a "sweet field" so please stop saying it does. There is no such thing. And too much toe in is a terrible idea.
Out.
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Post by novisnick on Jul 14, 2015 16:57:35 GMT -5
I just I just can't help myself,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,,
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Post by pedrocols on Jul 14, 2015 17:06:38 GMT -5
I am still confuse!! How many eyes do you have? This should potentially suffice for a 7.2 system as lower frequencies are not directional.... But one of my systems is a 11.2 speaker setup!!! How ow many toes do you have?? I am way too lazy to count my toes...
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