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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 18, 2009 11:27:29 GMT -5
I just want to touch base with any Yamaha 663 owners on this forum who may be looking at moving up to the UMC-1. I've about got myself talked into getting the UMC-1 but I'd like to hear from people who have the same receiver as me who change to the UMC-1 when its available to hear their opinion of what improvements they find.
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Post by oneliterpeter on Mar 18, 2009 12:00:43 GMT -5
I'm using an RX-V663 currently and plan on upgrading to the UMC-1 when it arrives.
Of course there's no way of knowing what the improvements are going to be without an actual unit but I will make an educated guess at this point.
From reviews that I've read... Yamaha receivers tend to be thin in the mid range. So I expect that the UMC-1 will provide an improvement in the overall mid range effectively providing a fuller, richer sonic experience.
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Post by flamingeye on Mar 18, 2009 12:04:33 GMT -5
Yes that is true!! When I switched from a denon to the yamaha there was defiantly a reduction in the mid-range & the yamaha tend to be bright also
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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 18, 2009 12:24:37 GMT -5
Flamingeye I see you've got Klipsch and I think I've seen you over on that forum as well. I always wonder if my reciever is bright or if its just that my speakers are bright by nature. Sounds like the Denon wasn't as bright as your Yamaha?
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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 18, 2009 12:28:01 GMT -5
I'm using an RX-V663 currently and plan on upgrading to the UMC-1 when it arrives. Of course there's no way of knowing what the improvements are going to be without an actual unit but I will make an educated guess at this point. I'm not looking for for sure answers now, just want to get an idea of who has the Yamaha 663 or even other Yamaha owners and give them a place to share the improvements they find. Maybe I should have named this thread something different like "Yamaha receiver owners going to the UMC-1"
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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 18, 2009 12:31:12 GMT -5
title changed.
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Post by jlafrenz on Mar 18, 2009 12:58:58 GMT -5
Flamingeye I see you've got Klipsch and I think I've seen you over on that forum as well. I always wonder if my reciever is bright or if its just that my speakers are bright by nature. Sounds like the Denon wasn't as bright as your Yamaha? You setup being bright is probably a combo of both since they both have a reputation for being a bit bright. I read a lot where Klipsch users pair with HK and have good luck. The 663 is a great bang for the buck receiver since it does decode new codecs. The UMC-1 will be a far superior unit especially when you pair it with an Emo amp.
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Post by lwt-bo on Mar 18, 2009 13:37:52 GMT -5
This is an interesting thread for me right now. I don't own any Klipsch, Yamaha, or Emo gear for that matter right now, but I've been looking at putting together a new system this summer. I have an excel spreadsheet right now with about 25 different speaker/amp/reciever combinations on it. Right now, one of the combo's I'm looking at pretty hard is:
Klipsch RF-82s mains Klipsch RC-10 ctr Yamaha NS-333 rears Emo XPA-5 amp Yamaha RX-V863 reciever
It's not too far from what I'd ideally like, but at least this version stays in my budget and I gotta start somewhere. I knew about the Klipsch rep for being bright, but I didn't know Yamaha had the same rep.
I'm interested in hearing what others post about Klipsch and Yamaha paired up here...at least until the UMC starts getting user reviews then we can bring this thread back to your original UMC vs Yamaha question.
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Post by littlesaint on Mar 18, 2009 13:49:49 GMT -5
I'm using a v661 with an LPA-1 and will move the UMC-1 when it comes out. No complaints with the v661. I think it mates well with my Klipsch RFs, but I'd like to have a true pre/pro. I don't need the new codecs as my sources cover those, but the extra HDMI inputs would eliminate my HDMI switch. Plus, it looks like the UMC will have much better EQ and bass management functionality, and the Genesis scaler looks promising for SD SAT/TV.
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Post by jlafrenz on Mar 18, 2009 14:01:40 GMT -5
This is an interesting thread for me right now. I don't own any Klipsch, Yamaha, or Emo gear for that matter right now, but I've been looking at putting together a new system this summer. I have an excel spreadsheet right now with about 25 different speaker/amp/reciever combinations on it. Right now, one of the combo's I'm looking at pretty hard is: Klipsch RF-82s mains Klipsch RC-10 ctr Yamaha NS-333 rears Emo XPA-5 amp Yamaha RX-V863 reciever It's not too far from what I'd ideally like, but at least this version stays in my budget and I gotta start somewhere. I knew about the Klipsch rep for being bright, but I didn't know Yamaha had the same rep. I'm interested in hearing what others post about Klipsch and Yamaha paired up here...at least until the UMC starts getting user reviews then we can bring this thread back to your original UMC vs Yamaha question. If you are planning on using the Yamaha AVR then I would stick to the 663. You won't really gain anything by going with the 863, especially if you are pairing with an amp. Take the money that you will save on the Yamaha and spend it on something like the Emo CD player.
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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 18, 2009 14:05:55 GMT -5
This is an interesting thread for me right now. I don't own any Klipsch, Yamaha, or Emo gear for that matter right now, but I've been looking at putting together a new system this summer. I have an excel spreadsheet right now with about 25 different speaker/amp/reciever combinations on it. Right now, one of the combo's I'm looking at pretty hard is: Klipsch RF-82s mains Klipsch RC-10 ctr Yamaha NS-333 rears Emo XPA-5 amp Yamaha RX-V863 reciever It's not too far from what I'd ideally like, but at least this version stays in my budget and I gotta start somewhere. I knew about the Klipsch rep for being bright, but I didn't know Yamaha had the same rep. I'm interested in hearing what others post about Klipsch and Yamaha paired up here...at least until the UMC starts getting user reviews then we can bring this thread back to your original UMC vs Yamaha question. If you are planning on using the Yamaha AVR then I would stick to the 663. You won't really gain anything by going with the 863, especially if you are pairing with an amp. Take the money that you will save on the Yamaha and spend it on something like the Emo CD player. Agree totally. The 863 has one more HDMI and scales the video for $400 more. I've heard the scaler doesn't do that great of a job and you can buy a HDMI switcher if you need more HDMI inputs.
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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 18, 2009 14:08:51 GMT -5
This is an interesting thread for me right now. I don't own any Klipsch, Yamaha, or Emo gear for that matter right now, but I've been looking at putting together a new system this summer. I have an excel spreadsheet right now with about 25 different speaker/amp/reciever combinations on it. Right now, one of the combo's I'm looking at pretty hard is: Klipsch RF-82s mains Klipsch RC-10 ctr Yamaha NS-333 rears Emo XPA-5 amp Yamaha RX-V863 reciever It's not too far from what I'd ideally like, but at least this version stays in my budget and I gotta start somewhere. I knew about the Klipsch rep for being bright, but I didn't know Yamaha had the same rep. I'm interested in hearing what others post about Klipsch and Yamaha paired up here...at least until the UMC starts getting user reviews then we can bring this thread back to your original UMC vs Yamaha question. Check out the Klipsch forum: forums.klipsch.com/A lot of good info there for your speaker questions. I was looking at getting a larger Rotel amp but Emo was so highly thought of on the Klipsch forum that I tried the XPA-5 and am very happy with it for a lot less cash than a Rotel with the same power would have cost.
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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 18, 2009 14:13:42 GMT -5
and the Genesis scaler looks promising for SD SAT/TV. I'm out of contract with Dish Network and have been holding off committing again until Dish or Direct has a offer I can't refuse. I've got a DVR625 that has S video as the best output for video. I too am curious how much the Genesis scaler will help the picture for me. But when you're starting with 480i a guy can't expect too much!!! But since I got my Sony 52" TV (52W4100) I notice how crappy my picture looks now!!! I'll probably pull the trigger on a Dish 722 pretty soon and have a true HD source but if the Genesis scaler can work some magic on the 480i signal I'm not opposed to avoiding paying DN more money every month for HD!!!
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Post by akbungle on Mar 18, 2009 14:29:27 GMT -5
......, but I've been looking at putting together a new system this summer.... Klipsch RF-82s mains Klipsch RC-10 ctr Yamaha NS-333 rears Emo XPA-5 amp Yamaha RX-V863 reciever If you are not doing this until summer why wouldn't you just get the UMC-1? I have the v1800 and know the UMC-1 will sound way better. The LMC-1 I had sounded better than the v1800 but I'm a lossless audio and HDMI *bleep*/PS3 owner so I'm dealing with the Yamaha until the UMC-1 comes out. Oh and I would strongly recommend really listening to the Yamaha NS-333 rears before buying, I have not heard them before but I also have never heard a Yamaha speaker that I liked.
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Post by SeaNile on Mar 18, 2009 14:36:55 GMT -5
I'll be getting the UMC-1 to replace my Yammy rx-v2500.
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Post by lwt-bo on Mar 18, 2009 14:39:31 GMT -5
I may still go with the UMC, but if I do that...try not to laugh...I'll have to run the rear Yamaha's off the XPA-5. I was planning on bi-wiring my front mains with the XPA-5 and running the rears off the reciever. I may scratch that idea too and save a few more bucks with and XPA-3...but I really want the 5. More versatile down the road.
Please don't start a bi-wiring/bi-amping conversation here.
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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 18, 2009 14:59:20 GMT -5
[/quote] If you are not doing this until summer why wouldn't you just get the UMC-1? I have the v1800 and know the UMC-1 will sound way better. The LMC-1 I had sounded better than the v1800 but I'm a lossless audio and HDMI *bleep*/PS3 owner so I'm dealing with the Yamaha until the UMC-1 comes out. Oh and I would strongly recommend really listening to the Yamaha NS-333 rears before buying, I have not heard them before but I also have never heard a Yamaha speaker that I liked. [/quote] I suspect your results between the LCM-1 and the Yamaha V1800 will be similar to what we'll find going from Yamaha's to the UMC-1. Just guessing. So while we have time to kill until the UMC-1 gives us a chance to do a real comparison can you tell me what you found to be the differences between the two?
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Post by keeper on Mar 18, 2009 19:02:39 GMT -5
I think Yamaha has a reputation for being "bright" but that's an old reputation that hasn't died. When I was in the market for a new receiver 7yrs ago I ended up buying the YamahRXV1300. I initially shied away from Yamaha because the "bright" reputation and I can't stand that, but in direct comparisons between Denon, Sony ES and another brand the Yamaha just sounded the best to me in the stores. THe Yamaha paired very well with my Energy's I had at the time and even better with my current KEFs. I found the sound to be much better than the Denon receiver it replaced.
Now, I have a UPA7 hooked up to the Yamaha and the soundstage has improved even more. :-)
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Post by gocolts on Mar 18, 2009 19:43:59 GMT -5
I have a Yamaha 661 being used as a preamp with an IPS-1, running the Klipsch RF-83's, RF-64, and corresponding surrounds. I think it sounds great, however the MMC-1 I had before sounded better IMO. However, I wanted the hi-res from Blu-Ray and HD DVD, so I sold the MMC-1 to wait for the UMC-1. Granted, if I had known the UMC-1 was going to be delayed a year, I might have hung onto the MMC-1 longer, but hopefully that'll change soon....
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Post by crashx on Mar 18, 2009 23:09:25 GMT -5
I think Yamaha has a reputation for being "bright" but that's an old reputation that hasn't died. When I was in the market for a new receiver 7yrs ago I ended up buying the YamahRXV1300. I initially shied away from Yamaha because the "bright" reputation and I can't stand that, but in direct comparisons between Denon, Sony ES and another brand the Yamaha just sounded the best to me in the stores. THe Yamaha paired very well with my Energy's I had at the time and even better with my current KEFs. I found the sound to be much better than the Denon receiver it replaced. Now, I have a UPA7 hooked up to the Yamaha and the soundstage has improved even more. :-) Agreed. I have had multiple Yamahas over the years, and I don't find them bright at all. I tend to hear lately that Onkyos are bright and most say Yamahas are laid back. I would have to agree. I currently have an RX-Z11 flag ship and love it. But it's so freaking huge and heavy. I am seriously considering selling it and getting the UMC and another Emo amp with the money I make from the sale.
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