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Post by lwt-bo on Mar 19, 2009 14:48:48 GMT -5
I have a Yamaha 661 being used as a preamp with an IPS-1, running the Klipsch RF-83's, RF-64, and corresponding surrounds. I think it sounds great, however the MMC-1 I had before sounded better IMO. However, I wanted the hi-res from Blu-Ray and HD DVD, so I sold the MMC-1 to wait for the UMC-1. Granted, if I had known the UMC-1 was going to be delayed a year, I might have hung onto the MMC-1 longer, but hopefully that'll change soon.... How are the RF-83's on bass? I ask for a couple of reasons. 1)You didn't mention a sub unless you grouped it into "corresponding surrounds" 2)I finally got a chance today to listen to some mains from another package I was looking at...the Canton Chrono 509DC's. I also got to hear some Canton Ergo's. The Chrono's use 7" woofers. I thought they seriously lacked bass. Even when I turned the bass all the way up on the Denon reciever that was driving them. I would definitely need a sub for any and all music being played. For this reason, they're no longer on my list. The Ergo's use 8" woofers. This bass on these was adequate starting around 3/4 full strength from the Denon. But I'd probably still want a sub. Maybe not always, depending on the music, but I'd want the option. I think a sub would be a must for movie watching. I'm beginning to wonder if I should be looking at mains with 10" woofers. I really thought that would be overkill for me. I didn't realize I liked that much base in my music. Or maybe it was just the Cantons. This store didn't carry Yamaha, otherwise I would have had them hook one up so that I could try and hear the difference between them and Denon.
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Post by rls on Mar 19, 2009 16:08:23 GMT -5
I picked up a Yammy 663 around June to hold me over until the UMC is complete. It turned out to be a good move. For $350.00 I figured I can move it to a different area or sell it for a small loss when I get the UMC. I haven't found it to be particularly bright. I'm running it with an XPA-5 and Onix Rockets. I am also hoping to hear a marked improvement when I replace it with the UMC. I'll be following this thread and comment when the long wait is over
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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 19, 2009 16:20:58 GMT -5
I picked up a Yammy 663 around June to hold me over until the UMC is complete. It turned out to be a good move. For $350.00 I figured I can move it to a different area or sell it for a small loss when I get the UMC. I haven't found it to be particularly bright. I'm running it with an XPA-5 and Onix Rockets. I am also hoping to hear a marked improvement when I replace it with the UMC. I'll be following this thread and comment when the long wait is over I was hoping to sell my 663 while it was still a current model a few months ago (new Yamaha lower line receivers are intro'd in March) but the UMC hold up ruined the timing on that plan. It sounds like the new line may in some ways not be as good as the current line so maybe that will help our resale value even if they are now the "old" ones.
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Post by jlafrenz on Mar 19, 2009 18:01:32 GMT -5
I have a Yamaha 661 being used as a preamp with an IPS-1, running the Klipsch RF-83's, RF-64, and corresponding surrounds. I think it sounds great, however the MMC-1 I had before sounded better IMO. However, I wanted the hi-res from Blu-Ray and HD DVD, so I sold the MMC-1 to wait for the UMC-1. Granted, if I had known the UMC-1 was going to be delayed a year, I might have hung onto the MMC-1 longer, but hopefully that'll change soon.... How are the RF-83's on bass? I ask for a couple of reasons. 1)You didn't mention a sub unless you grouped it into "corresponding surrounds" 2)I finally got a chance today to listen to some mains from another package I was looking at...the Canton Chrono 509DC's. I also got to hear some Canton Ergo's. The Chrono's use 7" woofers. I thought they seriously lacked bass. Even when I turned the bass all the way up on the Denon reciever that was driving them. I would definitely need a sub for any and all music being played. For this reason, they're no longer on my list. The Ergo's use 8" woofers. This bass on these was adequate starting around 3/4 full strength from the Denon. But I'd probably still want a sub. Maybe not always, depending on the music, but I'd want the option. I think a sub would be a must for movie watching. I'm beginning to wonder if I should be looking at mains with 10" woofers. I really thought that would be overkill for me. I didn't realize I liked that much base in my music. Or maybe it was just the Cantons. This store didn't carry Yamaha, otherwise I would have had them hook one up so that I could try and hear the difference between them and Denon. The 83's are pretty decent on bass. I have a buddy that had them and paired them with the matching Klipsch 10. The sub didn't really add much over what the towers produced. He really needed a sub upgrade.
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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 19, 2009 18:07:33 GMT -5
I have two Klipsch Sub 10s. They are not the greatest subs in the world but I fell into a deal I couldn't pass up on them. I've got less than $200 total in the pair of them so I figured what the hell I'd give them a try.
Down the road I'll probaby look for one good sub but for now the two 10s work.
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Post by oneliterpeter on Mar 19, 2009 18:16:48 GMT -5
I'm using an RX-V663 currently and plan on upgrading to the UMC-1 when it arrives. Of course there's no way of knowing what the improvements are going to be without an actual unit but I will make an educated guess at this point. I'm not looking for for sure answers now, just want to get an idea of who has the Yamaha 663 or even other Yamaha owners and give them a place to share the improvements they find. Maybe I should have named this thread something different like "Yamaha receiver owners going to the UMC-1" Agreed but... There's nothing wrong with speculating. ...or is there?
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Post by lwt-bo on Mar 19, 2009 18:17:45 GMT -5
I have the Emo 112 on preorder right now. Having said that, I don't think the price has been finalized on the Emo subs yet, so we'll see.
carbonsummit and flamingeye, You are both running Klipsch larger woofers. Would you ever listen to them with out the sub. I'm talking for music only...for movies you gotta have a sub to get the full effect. I may try to pick up some used Klipsch RF-7s. If I can get them for a decent price. Meaning something a little less then the new RF-83s.
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Post by subgenius on Mar 20, 2009 19:52:03 GMT -5
I have a yamaha 663 to hold me over until the XMC-1 is avail. I will note that those who are having problems with mid-range check the cross over settings. I noticed that the default even for the LARGE speaker setting is 120 Hz. I turned that down to 80 Hz and it sounds much better.
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Post by flamingeye on Mar 21, 2009 14:16:05 GMT -5
I have the Emo 112 on preorder right now. Having said that, I don't think the price has been finalized on the Emo subs yet, so we'll see. carbonsummit and flamingeye, You are both running Klipsch larger woofers. Would you ever listen to them with out the sub. I'm talking for music only...for movies you gotta have a sub to get the full effect. I may try to pick up some used Klipsch RF-7s. If I can get them for a decent price. Meaning something a little less then the new RF-83s. Yes I have 4= klipsch kg 5.5`s so I have 8= 10" woofers + 2 sub`s , I do have all the kg 5.5`s set to large they are quite capable of playing music with out a sub even movies but they do strain a bit on movies with out the sub`s that said I`m a bass *bleep* so I still use my sub`s with music but set at -3 & on movies it`s set at -4 or -5 on the receiver depending on the movie & yes I have bass over kill but that`s the way I roll , I should also say I never play just 2 channel though it`s always 7 channel or multichannel sacd, dvd-a but I imagine they are quit capable in 2 channel with out a sub , 10" woofers make a big difference if you ask me I was never quit satisfied till I got my first pair of dual 10" klipsch`s after that I had to get 2 more now I`m in heaven , I also should add I was always braking my wife`s nicknack`s too when playing music so now I have to remove all the nicknack`s before any cereus music playing
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Post by akbungle on Mar 21, 2009 14:33:49 GMT -5
......, but I've been looking at putting together a new system this summer.... Klipsch RF-82s mains Klipsch RC-10 ctr Yamaha NS-333 rears Emo XPA-5 amp Yamaha RX-V863 reciever If you are not doing this until summer why wouldn't you just get the UMC-1? I have the v1800 and know the UMC-1 will sound way better. The LMC-1 I had sounded better than the v1800 but I'm a lossless audio and HDMI *bleep*/PS3 owner so I'm dealing with the Yamaha until the UMC-1 comes out. Oh and I would strongly recommend really listening to the Yamaha NS-333 rears before buying, I have not heard them before but I also have never heard a Yamaha speaker that I liked. Sorry for the delay in response. I feel the dedicated pre-amp was just more substantial sounding as if going from a nice boombox to a nice mini system if that makes any sense. Just more to it, all the audio reviewer words like richer, fuller,cleaner, more life like, "like a veil was lifted" stuff like that.
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Post by lwt-bo on Mar 21, 2009 17:29:11 GMT -5
I have the Emo 112 on preorder right now. Having said that, I don't think the price has been finalized on the Emo subs yet, so we'll see. carbonsummit and flamingeye, You are both running Klipsch larger woofers. Would you ever listen to them with out the sub. I'm talking for music only...for movies you gotta have a sub to get the full effect. I may try to pick up some used Klipsch RF-7s. If I can get them for a decent price. Meaning something a little less then the new RF-83s. Yes I have 4= klipsch kg 5.5`s so I have 8= 10" woofers + 2 sub`s , I do have all the kg 5.5`s set to large they are quite capable of playing music with out a sub even movies but they do strain a bit on movies with out the sub`s that said I`m a bass *bleep* so I still use my sub`s with music but set at -3 & on movies it`s set at -4 or -5 on the receiver depending on the movie & yes I have bass over kill but that`s the way I roll , I should also say I never play just 2 channel though it`s always 7 channel or multichannel sacd, dvd-a but I imagine they are quit capable in 2 channel with out a sub , 10" woofers make a big difference if you ask me I was never quit satisfied till I got my first pair of dual 10" klipsch`s after that I had to get 2 more now I`m in heaven , I also should add I was always braking my wife`s nicknack`s too when playing music so now I have to remove all the nicknack`s before any cereus music playing That's 8x10s" a 12" and a 15" in the same room and for the most part all running at the same time. I suddenly feel so inadequete shooting for just 4x10"s in the RF-7's. I guess I better keep that other 12" with the Emo 112 on preorder.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 18:09:30 GMT -5
I've owned the DSP-A1 for a decade now and I have found it far from bright. It's not a receiver, per se, (no tuner) but from all practical purposes, it is. Technically I guess its an integrated amp / processor but now that I have the XPA 5, it only functions as a pre/pro now until the UMC is released.
Prior to that, however, the DSP-A1 was a true head unit driving the 5.1 system and doing double duty as the processor. I got to know this unit's sound quite well (even for the village idiot) and I would not categorize this as bright sounding.
Despite all this, I can't wait to replace the DSP. Once I stripped away its driver duties by the addition of the XPA 5, the old Polks became alive and sparkled with new energy. So, when the UMC finally retires the Yamaha for good, I will be glad to report back any findings between the two units. My guess is the sonic differences between the DSP processor and the UMC will most likely be less of a gap than what I experienced by adding the XPA 5 to the system. However, I admit I do not have a lot of experience in these matters.
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Post by steviet1000 on Mar 22, 2009 22:46:58 GMT -5
I'm relatively new to Emotiva but bought a upa-2 as a dry run for $269 recently. I currently have a yamaha 663 and have been happy with it. At the moment they power 5.1 orbs. I'm considering upgrading and going with the umc-1 and probably the upa-7 (so I have some options if I move to 7.1). I also do a fair bit of listening using sonos. The 663 does sound bright and a little harsh and if I plug in the upa-2 and run the 663 as a pre for the left and right I do notice some improvement difference. But I think given my speakers I'm not seeing a major difference.... is that a fair comment? Has anyone any experience with orbs, emotiva amps and 663 stories??
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Post by carbonsummit on Feb 13, 2010 2:22:21 GMT -5
Now that the UMC-1 has been out a little bit and the firmware is corrected I'll bump this thread. I got my email tonight so I've got to make a choice soon.
Any Yamaha owners get the UMC-1 and have any thoughts on the difference?
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Post by red5ive on Feb 13, 2010 3:04:56 GMT -5
I currently have the UMC in my second setup which replaced a Yamaha RX-Z1 (2004 flagship) that was connected to an LPA-1 and Emotiva ERM-1 monitors. It's not even close. UMC wins the AQ category by a longshot, and it is exactly like was posted previously - my midrange came alive once I added the LPA-1, and even more so with the XPA/886 and UMC in the mix. The highs were also tamed significantly. I've also owned 2 other Yamaha flagships (RX-V1 and DSP-A2070) and 2 mid-end units (RX-V2095 and RX-V1800). Between the UMC/LPA/ERM combo and 886/XPA-2/XPA-5/Rocket combo in my main room, I can honestly say I've completely forgotten about Yamaha.
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Post by Stevens on Feb 13, 2010 6:38:13 GMT -5
Here's another one to join the club: I have the Yamaha RX-V663 and, although I'm perfectly happy with it, I look forward to replacing it with the UMC-1. My UPA-7 stays though.
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Post by alabamaboy on Feb 13, 2010 8:12:54 GMT -5
I received my UMC email a few days ago, and I'll certainlly be comparing my Yamaha RX-V1800 to the UMC. I'm extremely happy with my Yammy. I'm not convinced I'm going to get that "I heard sounds I've never heard before" fanboy stuff, but I could be wrong. Either way, I'll certainly provide a detailed comparison. Even though the UMC represents an excellent value at $699, it does have some serious concerns for me, painful firmware update, suspect EmoQ, lack of HDMI 1.4, crappy remote, no IPod dock, network connection, etc. Go ahead and flame away, but seems to me, the XMC may be well worth the wait. $699 isn't exactly disposable money for me
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Post by tjb4141 on Feb 13, 2010 9:13:59 GMT -5
Upstairs I have an Older Denon 3300 with Klipsch RF-3's all around no sub as I moved that down to the Man cave. I love the Horn Tweeters of Klipsch as they make the cymbals and the high tones very crisp. I would say the Klipsch are some what bright or crisper which appears bright I guess. Hard to explain. However the Denon 3300 makes music and other stuff played on the RF-3 Sing.
In the basement I have RF-7's all around, 2 SVS subs and a Yammy RV-2500 hooked up to an Outlaw 5 Channel amp. Regardless hooked up to the Amp or not, the sound is lacking. The bass sounds great, just there is something lacking from the speakers. They just don't sing like the RF-3's. Could be acoustics, could be better dac's in the Denon. I feel its the DAC's. I want to replace my Yammy with the UMC-1, and see if I can get better SQ. Just my 2 cents
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Feb 13, 2010 9:27:05 GMT -5
Yes that is true!! When I switched from a denon to the yamaha there was defiantly a reduction in the mid-range & the yamaha tend to be bright also I find if you run YPAO in natural mode instead of flat this is much less of an issue.
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Post by alabamaboy on Feb 13, 2010 9:36:38 GMT -5
I want to replace my Yammy with the UMC-1, and see if I can get better SQ. Just my 2 cents UMC would certainly be an upgrade in your case, lossless is the way to go. I'm sure others have the same question I have, is going from a relatively new mid-level AVR (with lossless codecs) to the UMC going to be that much of an upgade sound wise. Anyone care to comment?
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