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Post by qdtjni on Sept 10, 2015 20:17:07 GMT -5
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Post by novisnick on Sept 10, 2015 20:31:16 GMT -5
Don't need it Don't need it No content Ordered Cheers Gary Gary, enjoy! Please report back about performance etc! My present ATV already does all that! we all have different priorities.  I didnt relize they were taking orders just yet, thanks for the update.  Edit; just came back from the Apple Store on the app, its listed as " Coming Soon " |
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Post by qdtjni on Sept 10, 2015 20:46:07 GMT -5
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 10, 2015 20:45:57 GMT -5
Product sucks. They need to work on bringing Steve Jobs back from the dead.
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Post by deewan on Sept 10, 2015 20:53:26 GMT -5
The problem with that thinking is that they miss out on all people having a 4K TV, where a 4K capable Apple TV would also work for people without a 4K TV. I pretty sure that normal people who are not that much into AV are much more interested in 4K than you think but they are not much interested in the ever increasing number of surround channel, Atmos, etc. The sales stats pretty much support that, where 4K sets are selling pretty well and so are soundbars, etc, where surround systems are selling less, at least here in Europe. As for bandwidth restrictions, that seems to be US problem, where we see the opposite in Europe, South Korea, Japan and many other places. Apple do not have any 4K services yet. Again a mistake, same like not providing CD quality in iTunes and their streaming service. They may miss out on the people with 4K TV's with 4K content and unlimited bandwidth. But it won't hurt their sales. The number of people that won't buy because it doesn't support 4K is much smaller than the people who simply wouldn't use 4K if it were available. I remember hearing all the people groan when Apple didn't include a Blu-Ray drive in the iMac. That didn't seem to hurt them any. Heck, now they don't even include a CD/DVD drive built into the iMac. Yet it sells at a premium price and sells very well mostly because of iTunes and streaming services. Streaming services that don't require broadband internet. Apple knows what they are doing. |
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Post by qdtjni on Sept 10, 2015 20:58:07 GMT -5
The problem with that thinking is that they miss out on all people having a 4K TV, where a 4K capable Apple TV would also work for people without a 4K TV. I pretty sure that normal people who are not that much into AV are much more interested in 4K than you think but they are not much interested in the ever increasing number of surround channel, Atmos, etc. The sales stats pretty much support that, where 4K sets are selling pretty well and so are soundbars, etc, where surround systems are selling less, at least here in Europe. As for bandwidth restrictions, that seems to be US problem, where we see the opposite in Europe, South Korea, Japan and many other places. Apple do not have any 4K services yet. Again a mistake, same like not providing CD quality in iTunes and their streaming service. They may miss out on the people with 4K TV's with 4K content and unlimited bandwidth. But it won't hurt their sales. The number of people that won't buy because it doesn't support 4K is much smaller than the people who simply wouldn't use 4K if it were available. I remember hearing all the people groan when Apple didn't include a Blu-Ray drive in the iMac. That didn't seem to hurt them any. Heck, now they don't even include a CD/DVD drive built into the iMac. Yet it sells at a premium price and sells very well mostly because of iTunes and streaming services. Streaming services that don't require broadband internet. Apple knows what they are doing. Of course it will sell but saying that it will not hurt their sales is just factually wrong. If less people buy it it does per definition hurt their sales. |
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Post by deewan on Sept 10, 2015 21:13:47 GMT -5
Ok. Not having 4K will impact sales. Does it make you feel better if I say that? It not being offered in a vibrate orange or lime green colors will impact sales. Lots of things will impact sales. But the lack of 4K will have a MUCH smaller impact than you think. Watch the sales numbers come December and then we will discuss again.
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Post by qdtjni on Sept 10, 2015 21:32:59 GMT -5
Ok. Not having 4K will impact sales. Does it make you feel better if I say that? It not being offered in a vibrate orange or lime green colors will impact sales. Lots of things will impact sales. But the lack of 4K will have a MUCH smaller impact than you think. Watch the sales numbers come December and then we will discuss again. The sales figure will only reveal how much they sell and will say nothing about the people who didn't buy. How could you possibly know how many people who don't buy because missing 4K capability? You seem to think it was a good decision to exclude 4K capability. Why is that? |
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Post by qdtjni on Sept 10, 2015 21:40:39 GMT -5
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Post by deewan on Sept 10, 2015 21:48:06 GMT -5
Ok. Not having 4K will impact sales. Does it make you feel better if I say that? It not being offered in a vibrate orange or lime green colors will impact sales. Lots of things will impact sales. But the lack of 4K will have a MUCH smaller impact than you think. Watch the sales numbers come December and then we will discuss again. The sales figure will only reveal how much they sell and will say nothing about the people who didn't buy. How could you possibly know how many people who don't buy because missing 4K capability? You seem to think it was a good decision to exclude 4K capability. Why is that? You are right again. We won't know how many units were not sold because 4K was not included. But this thing will sell like crazy and will likely sell more units that previous generations of AppleTV. Which in my book shows it's a great success and 4K is not a deal breaker for the general public. I think it is a great decision to exclude 4K in this generation of AppleTV. Apple currently doesn't offer 4K content on iTunes. You want Apple to include 4K hardware in their product so people with a 4K TV, with broadband internet can purchase content purchased from companies other than Apple? Remember, Apple doesn't offer 4K yet. My question to you is, why should Apple build a product that they can't provide content for and who the majority of the general population doesn't care about yet? Once 4K content becomes available on iTunes and becomes mainstream, guess what, Apple can release another AppleTV and sell more units. This shouldn't come as a surprise to you. It's how successful technology companies operate. |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 10, 2015 21:49:36 GMT -5
They fail to think! Like most of the rest of the world!! Sad  |
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Post by deewan on Sept 10, 2015 21:52:14 GMT -5
Using this logic, you should also be asking why the iPhone can capture 4K video but it can't display 4K content on the iPhone screen? I'm guessing that will impact iPhone sales. Again, you are assuming everyone already has a 4K display. They don't. A LOT of people don't. |
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Sept 10, 2015 21:54:26 GMT -5
Maybe we should combine the 4K argument with the Atmos argument? It's so much fun being on the "bleeding edge"! Just ask someone who was early in on the HD-DVD format! Bottom line: I've owned 3 Apple TVs and I will get one of these. Combined with iTunes on my PC, I find it a very useful device for playing downloaded movies and playing home videos. I'm just glad to see 7.1 as a new audio format. |
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Post by qdtjni on Sept 10, 2015 21:56:11 GMT -5
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Post by qdtjni on Sept 10, 2015 22:01:49 GMT -5
Using this logic, you should also be asking why the iPhone can capture 4K video but it can't display 4K content on the iPhone screen? I'm guessing that will impact iPhone sales. Again, you are assuming everyone already has a 4K display. They don't. A LOT of people don't. 4K on such a small screen makes no sense so. But it would make sense to watch it from iCloud on your big 4K TV via your brand new Apple TV it it only had been possible. I'm not assuming anything, there are already many millions of 4K owners, typically early adaptors, many of whom most likely were the early adaptors of iPhone and other Apple products. I suggest you read the article from Forbes, you may wake and smell the coffee. |
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Post by Priapulus on Sept 10, 2015 22:05:18 GMT -5
Are the 4k and digital-rights encryption chips available; were they available early enough in the development cycle? I wasn't going to buy anything that wasn't 4k, but the ATV is cheap enough to be considered disposable/replaceable in a year.
If they are/have been available, where's the EMO XMC-1 upgrade 4k board?
/b
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Post by qdtjni on Sept 10, 2015 22:06:23 GMT -5
Maybe we should combine the 4K argument with the Atmos argument? There are plenty of 4K content to available to many millions of people who don't have ISDN like bandwidth and many who already have a 4K TV. How many Atmos movies are there? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 10, 2015 22:11:43 GMT -5
One might wonder how the 4K movies made with the new IPhones are supposed to be watched in 4K ... Mac Pro to 4K monitor or TV, I think it will drive 2 or 3 of them. |
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Post by qdtjni on Sept 10, 2015 22:20:45 GMT -5
One might wonder how the 4K movies made with the new IPhones are supposed to be watched in 4K ... Mac Pro to 4K monitor or TV, I think it will drive 2 or 3 of them. So bring your family to your office to watch movies or just buy another Mac Pro for your living room.. Why would anyone want 4K on the Apple TV when can buy a Mac Pro instead.  I have one, It can drive 3 4K streams, currently its resting only driving 2 though. |
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Post by deewan on Sept 10, 2015 22:21:32 GMT -5
Using this logic, you should also be asking why the iPhone can capture 4K video but it can't display 4K content on the iPhone screen? I'm guessing that will impact iPhone sales. Again, you are assuming everyone already has a 4K display. They don't. A LOT of people don't. 4K on such a small screen makes no sense so. So what's your point? I'm not assuming anything, there are already many millions of 4K owners, typically early adaptors, many of whom most likely were the early adaptors of iPhone and other Apple products. I suggest you read the article from Forbes, you may wake and smell the coffee. I have woken up. You have asked for my reasoning, I've provided it all. Where is your logic and facts? So far all you have is an online article stating that the camera on the iPhone makes the AppleTV out of date. Again, this assumes the person has a 4K TV hooked to the AppleTV. So you argue millions of 4K TV's sold. There are still millions of 1080p plasma TV's in use. a few million 4K TV is NOTHING in the world market. Please look at facts and wake up yourself. AppleTV is missing 4K. It won't impact sales. I'll make a large wager if you wish. Post here for all to see. Let's compare Sales of this AppleTV to the previous generation. If it surpasses, then we agree no 4K hardware was not a deal-breaker. Sales are slow, we agree no 4K was a deal breaker? Deal? BTW, I assume you went crazy when the Wii came out a few years ago and it was only 480p instead of 1080p? And when do we get to argue about this AppleTV not supporting the Atmos or DTS:X codecs. COME ON APPLE. Maybe this thing is out dated. *eye roll* |
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