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Post by geebo on Oct 19, 2015 12:22:04 GMT -5
... If the equipment listed in their signature is correct, neither have a plasma TV. Actually, Nick has a larger version of yours... Ooh! Are you saying Nick's is bigger than geebo's??? But mine works...
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 19, 2015 12:26:36 GMT -5
Just spoke with Emotiva about the shutdown of my XMC-1 while FF my Tivo, A suggestion was made to block the reciever from the remote signal to see if that code was causing the unit to shut down. I dont have acces to my xmc at this time to test. I was informed that a new feature of 3.1 was to set the xmc into low power mode by pressing and holding the remote standby button till shutdown. I hadn't seen that one before. Stand by for more tests,,,,,or try yourself and report back here. Full shutdown via remote or front power button disables my OSD, only re-enabled by numerous reboots via back power switch or ac removal. May be the only one this happens to.
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 19, 2015 12:33:11 GMT -5
I am able to shut down via remote. Full shutdown. Comes back without an issue hitting the power button on the remote and then remains in Video Standby mode,
Works fine.
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Post by novisnick on Oct 19, 2015 12:38:58 GMT -5
Just spoke with Emotiva about the shutdown of my XMC-1 while FF my Tivo, A suggestion was made to block the reciever from the remote signal to see if that code was causing the unit to shut down. I dont have acces to my xmc at this time to test. I was informed that a new feature of 3.1 was to set the xmc into low power mode by pressing and holding the remote standby button till shutdown. I hadn't seen that one before. Stand by for more tests,,,,,or try yourself and report back here. Full shutdown via remote or front power button disables my OSD, only re-enabled by numerous reboots via back power switch or ac removal. May be the only one this happens to. On my unit and a couple of others I think, reboot happens by depressing the power button on the remote. a complete reboot takes place, as though it was in low power stand-by.
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Post by novisnick on Oct 19, 2015 12:40:51 GMT -5
I am able to shut down via remote. Full shutdown. Comes back without an issue hitting the power button on the remote and then remains in Video Standby mode, Works fine. I was informed that a full shut down ( lowpower standby ) is now capable with 3.1 by depressing the sandby button and holding it for a moment longer then normal operation.
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Post by badsarge on Oct 19, 2015 12:52:21 GMT -5
I'm curious to hear more from Emotiva also. I have not upgraded my FW yet because I have been camping, and my new sub arrives today so I wanted to make sure the XMC is working fine when it arrives. I'll just hold a few more days to see how the dust settles...mine is working great on 3.0 anyway.
Mark
klinemj, Which sub did you order??
Steve
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Post by wizardofoz on Oct 19, 2015 12:59:22 GMT -5
I've had mine lockup with nobody in the room, but haven't had a chance to see a repeat.
What I can confirm is my oppo go looked up when I turned on the tv and then all volume steps on the xmc generated clicks going up or Dow...and got louder clicks as the volume went up too. Had to power off the oppo (that was also in DSD at the time.
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Post by Lsc on Oct 19, 2015 14:44:25 GMT -5
When you say crash, do you mean that the XMC-1 powers off?
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Post by klinemj on Oct 19, 2015 15:24:26 GMT -5
badsarge I got the Rhythmik F25...now not arriving until Wednesday. (See Blurt It Out thread for my whining...) Mark
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Post by novisnick on Oct 19, 2015 16:07:12 GMT -5
When you say crash, do you mean that the XMC-1 powers off? Yes, lowpower shutdown.
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Post by raydyo on Oct 19, 2015 16:23:49 GMT -5
Dolby Loudness is a special feature which is available on SOME Dolby Digital audio content. The basic idea is that, for late night viewing, or if you just happen to be listening quietly, the dynamic range of the audio is compressed so you don't miss quiet dialogue. (So, at night, you can turn things down, and the loud parts aren't too loud, but you can still hear the quiet parts.) This is a version of what some folks call "midnight mode" or "loudness levelling" or even "low level dialog enhancement". Whoever produced and mastered the disc gets to decide exactly what happens when you invoke Dolby Loudness for that particular disc (and some don't enable it at all). From an audiophile point of view, it's messing with the dynamic range of your content, so it's evil.... but you might find it helps late at night or on some discs where the dialog is hard to hear. Off means Off, On seems to mean that it's always On (presumably only on discs that support it), and Auto means that it's only on for some content. (The standard itself seems to be somewhat vague about the details there - so you're on your own with that one. ) This answer has not cleared up his question fully, 3.1 version notes say Dolby loudness will have 3 settings, but when you press the loudness button only on and off are available. When you go into the main menu you have a box to check for loudness which is the same as pressing the loudness button on the remote, on and off. Then you have a setting that says loudness management with settings like DRC on, DRC off etc... how are most people to understand what all this means without some clear documentation. I thick a fair amount of people will press the loudness button expecting to see different levels of loudness available, or at least to be able to go into the menu find something called Dolby loudness with 3 level settings. It is not very intuitive to use and without clear documentation almost impossible to understand for most. I am not debating the value of its use, I am asking for clarity in its implementation and documentation. Unfortunately there are two features here which have similar names. The loudness button does something that approximates this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher%E2%80%93Munson_curveswe feel that this is a very nice feature for low level listening and worth dedicating a direct remote button to it. It has just on/off modes. The other is "Dolby Loudness Management" which is 100% unrelated to the above. We used to call this "midnight mode" but Dolby recently informed us that we should be using their terminology. Hence the overlapping names. Dolby Loudness Management attempts to compress the dynamic range so that quiet stuff is louder and loud stuff is quieter. The intent is for listening to stuff while other are sleeping. If you were to simply turn down the volume so that the loudest content was not disturbing others, then quiet passages might not be audible at all. Dolby Loudness management attempts to solve this issue by bringing down the loud and bringing up the soft. The problem is that it only works for Dolby content and then only if the producer has enabled it. If you have PCM coming in it does nothing. DTS used to have a similar function but I have not been able to locate any recent source material that has it enabled. So the intent is good, but since it only works for certain source material it is very confusing. We are required by Dolby to have this minimum functionality with three settings. It is intentionally buried in the menus to reduce confusion for those that usually just operate with the direct remote control buttons. Sorry for the confusion but "Loudness Compensation" is the industry standard term for Fletcher-Munson frequency compensation. Dolby unfortunately chose to use"Loudness" in the name for their unrelated dynamic range compression scheme. Not much I can do about it.
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Post by raydyo on Oct 19, 2015 16:47:26 GMT -5
It appears that there are some issues with other remotes interfering with new 3.1 feature where you can force low power standby by holding the standby button for several seconds. My apologies for this but y'all need to understand that it is impossible for Emotiva (or anyone else) to test with every remote on the market. There's just too many. We get a good variety from beta testers but problems can still happen. We will do our best to fix this problem quickly or remove the new feature. But in order to do that I need accurate detailed information on what is causing the problem. There is no reason to think that this has anything to do with any other system setting so lets stop speculating on that for now.
It seems fairly clear that FF in TiVo is one of the culprits. But I use a TV Roamio every day and have not seen this. Is it some other TiVo model? Or is it because I'm using a URC remote instead of the factory remote?
Then there are some reports about one or more TVs with volume changes. Or was it the cable box changing volume? Not 100% clear. Is it volume up or volume down? The more accurate the details, the sooner we can come up with a fix..
I'll start looking at TiVo right away. Anyone want to volunteer to collect an accurate list of verified problems with volume? Be sure what the actual volume control is (TV, cable box, etc), factory remote or other, up or down, etc.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Oct 19, 2015 16:49:04 GMT -5
raydo said: I am not debating the value of its use, I am asking for clarity in its implementation and documentation. KeithL said: (The standard itself seems to be somewhat vague about the details there - so you're on your own with that one. )
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Post by raydyo on Oct 19, 2015 16:51:55 GMT -5
I've had mine lockup with nobody in the room, but haven't had a chance to see a repeat. What I can confirm is my oppo go looked up when I turned on the tv and then all volume steps on the xmc generated clicks going up or Dow...and got louder clicks as the volume went up too. Had to power off the oppo (that was also in DSD at the time. Oppos lock up all the time. This is not an Emotiva problem. XMC made ticks with volume steps because the Oppo is putting out DC when locked up..
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Post by audiosyndrome on Oct 19, 2015 16:56:27 GMT -5
Yes. TV remote. And I've determined that I do not have a problem if I do not change volume. Watched most of the Jet game with no problem at one volume. Change the volume, the unit MAY go off but not always. But problem never occurs without a volume change. Checked. Both XMC and TV CEC functions are disabled. Russ CEC at this time is not the top candidate for this problem, since both fast forward and volume changes make the unit crash we have large suspicion that the code sent by remote to the TV/Tivo whatever is intercepted and crashes the XMC-1 Well, instead of using any of my iDevices, I just used the (physical) volume up and down controls on the TV. Ran the volume up and down until the cows came home. The XMC NEVER turned off. Went back to the TV remote and the XMC turned off on the second volume up action. Looks like Novisnick (above) is correct. The IR signal from the remote is somehow corrupting the XMC. Russ
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Post by audiosyndrome on Oct 19, 2015 17:05:05 GMT -5
Just to clarify, my problem only exists in HDMI pass through mode while watching TV via the cable box, not in normal operation with the XMC powered on.
Russ
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Post by trevordj on Oct 19, 2015 17:21:03 GMT -5
Just to clarify, my problem only exists in HDMI pass through mode while watching TV via the cable box, not in normal operation with the XMC powered on. Russ Yep, this is what is happening for me along with the fast forward issue. I have a 60" panasonic VT60 plasma TV. When I am watching the Tivo (Roamio) in video standby if I hit the fastforward button a few times it causes the XMC-1 to shut down. I use a Harmony Ultimate Home remote. Same task, watching TV through Tivo, video standby, if I use the Harmony Ultimate Home to increase the volume on my TV it can reproduce the problem. Thing is, it is very intermittent whether this causes an issue or not. I haven't tried covering the screen on the XMC-1 yet (as recommended by Damon during my phone call today).
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Post by audiosyndrome on Oct 19, 2015 17:51:39 GMT -5
I just covered the IR receiver on the XMC. It makes the problem go away!! Russ
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Oct 19, 2015 17:51:50 GMT -5
I’ve been a proponent of the “midnight mode” type feature.
As stated above, the change in this feature has make it rather ambiguous/nebulous.
Dolby Loudness Management 1. DRC Off 2. DRC On 3. DRC Auto 4. All Off
Without an updated manual it is impossible to understand the function. As an example, what’s all off. Could Emotiva please clarify?
I can see that Onkyo also uses the "Dolby Loudness Management" term. Poor choice by Dolby. Dolby Dynamic Range Control would have been so much better.
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Post by edrummereasye on Oct 19, 2015 19:47:53 GMT -5
I’ve been a proponent of the “midnight mode” type feature. As stated above, the change in this feature has make it rather ambiguous/nebulous. Dolby Loudness Management 1. DRC Off 2. DRC On 3. DRC Auto 4. All Off Without an updated manual it is impossible to understand the function. As an example, what’s all off. Could Emotiva please clarify?I can see that Onkyo also uses the "Dolby Loudness Management" term. Poor choice by Dolby. Dolby Dynamic Range Control would have been so much better. Keith gave a good explanation of it in one of the 3.1 threads; Dolby's own definitions are a bit nebulous, though...and I don't know if he actually mentioned "All Off" or not...
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