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Post by splash51 on Dec 2, 2015 14:56:55 GMT -5
Hi Keith, I am hearing a lot of talk about after market power cords that improve sound performance. The claims are the power cable with this O2 free copper allow power supply generated noise to leave the unit on the outer surface of the copper. Preventing it from entering the system. It also claims to prevent "filter" Hi frequency noise from entering the system. So my question to Emotiva is do your amps have built in filters on the power supply to handle these stuff?? I am very skeptical about the claims being made by the manufacturers and the folks who swear they hear a significant difference.
FYI my system:
GoldenEar Technologies Triton ones driven by XPA-2 Gen2 in mono mode. (Beautiful full sound!!!!)
GoldenEar SCXXL center driven by XPA-1L
Rears and SS Golden Ear Super Sat 3s Driven by internal amps in a Yamaha RX-A1040 which also handles all preamp duties for above.
Oppo 103 CD/BR/SACD
All plug into a Panamax 5300PM
Thanks for any insight you can provide,
Splash51
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 2, 2015 17:05:44 GMT -5
Congratulations!
You HAVE answered your own question.
Don't let yourself get sucker punched. (I've made my living doing electrical work)
Plug it in....and FORGET IT!
Bill
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Post by repeetavx on Dec 2, 2015 17:26:09 GMT -5
Yes, Emotiva amps have built in filters. Though I like oversized power cables, especially the Pangia ones, I suspect that I wouldn't be able to pick one out in a blind test.
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Post by deltadube on Dec 2, 2015 17:46:33 GMT -5
Hi Keith, I am hearing a lot of talk about after market power cords that improve sound performance. The claims are the power cable with this O2 free copper allow power supply generated noise to leave the unit on the outer surface of the copper. Preventing it from entering the system. It also claims to prevent "filter" Hi frequency noise from entering the system. So my question to Emotiva is do your amps have built in filters on the power supply to handle these stuff?? I am very skeptical about the claims being made by the manufacturers and the folks who swear they hear a significant difference. FYI my system: GoldenEar Technologies Triton ones driven by XPA-2 Gen2 in mono mode. (Beautiful full sound!!!!) GoldenEar SCXXL center driven by XPA-1L Rears and SS Golden Ear Super Sat 3s Driven by internal amps in a Yamaha RX-A1040 which also handles all preamp duties for above. Oppo 103 CD/BR/SACD All plug into a Panamax 5300PM Thanks for any insight you can provide, Splash51 yeah get some nice speaker cables.... skip the power cable.. hey I know someone who makes cables.. lol cheers |
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Post by trinhsman on Dec 2, 2015 18:10:27 GMT -5
Hi Keith, I am hearing a lot of talk about after market power cords that improve sound performance. The claims are the power cable with this O2 free copper allow power supply generated noise to leave the unit on the outer surface of the copper. Preventing it from entering the system. It also claims to prevent "filter" Hi frequency noise from entering the system. So my question to Emotiva is do your amps have built in filters on the power supply to handle these stuff?? I am very skeptical about the claims being made by the manufacturers and the folks who swear they hear a significant difference. FYI my system: GoldenEar Technologies Triton ones driven by XPA-2 Gen2 in mono mode. (Beautiful full sound!!!!) GoldenEar SCXXL center driven by XPA-1L Rears and SS Golden Ear Super Sat 3s Driven by internal amps in a Yamaha RX-A1040 which also handles all preamp duties for above. Oppo 103 CD/BR/SACD All plug into a Panamax 5300PM Thanks for any insight you can provide, Splash51 I upgraded power cords and speaker cables in my set ups. I know a lot of people think it is a bunch of bunk. I noticed improvements in my systems. The power cord upgrade really wasn't that expensive, and came from Cullen Cable. The speaker cables were more, and I am happy with them. They came from Morrow. All I know is that there is a difference between the stock power cord and regular lamp cord. Others may differ, but that is my opinion. I wish you well. |
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 2, 2015 23:58:44 GMT -5
"I upgraded power cords and speaker cables in my set ups."
From what to what and why??
"I know a lot of people think it is a bunch of bunk."
Not "think"
"I noticed improvements in my systems."
Such as and why?
"The power cord upgrade really wasn't that expensive, and came from Cullen Cable."
How much and what are the claims?
"The speaker cables were more, and I am happy with them."
That's a good reason and all you need I suppose.
"They came from Morrow. All I know is that there is a difference between the stock power cord and regular lamp cord."
And just what is that?
"Others may differ, but that is my opinion. I wish you well."
Not me I agree with you 100 percent. With all that evidence, I'm going to replace everything tomorrow...thanks and Merry Christmas!
Sorry I just have to vent once in a while when the BS flies.
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Post by lionear on Dec 3, 2015 0:20:26 GMT -5
I think what you wrote leads to an informal fallacy. And I couldn't explain it better than this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignoranceIn my view, the only way out is to use direct experience - try it out yourself. If you hear it, go with fancy cables and power cords. If you don't hear any difference, then go with free or ultra cheap stuff (as in Romex wiring that you can source from your local Habitat for Humanity - not "fancy" speaker cables from Emotiva, Blue Jean, etc.) Trying stuff out is the crux of the hobby. And what works for you does not mean that it works for everyone else. |
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Post by trevordj on Dec 3, 2015 2:25:51 GMT -5
I think what you wrote leads to an informal fallacy. And I couldn't explain it better than this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignoranceIn my view, the only way out is to use direct experience - try it out yourself. If you hear it, go with fancy cables and power cords. If you don't hear any difference, then go with free or ultra cheap stuff (as in Romex wiring that you can source from your local Habitat for Humanity - not "fancy" speaker cables from Emotiva, Blue Jean, etc.) Trying stuff out is the crux of the hobby. And what works for you does not mean that it works for everyone else. That seems like a very ineffective (and expensive) way to approach things; relying on the Brownian motion of choosing different products, trying them, and determining if there is a) a difference, and b) if that difference is "better." It seems much more effective to approach it scientifically by first identifying what properties of a cable affect sound followed by selecting the cables that have the properties you desire. This all presupposes that using a cable to shape the sound is something that is worthwhile. If power cables make a difference in sound what makes the two feet of power cable from the wall outlet to the device "special?" That 50 feet of romex behind the wall going to the fuse box seems much more significant comparatively, not to mention the main line coming from the pole, etc. It seems like if you are going to go for it with power line you better replace it all the way to the transformer... or to the hydroelectric dam. |
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Post by trinhsman on Dec 3, 2015 6:56:51 GMT -5
"I upgraded power cords and speaker cables in my set ups." From what to what and why?? "I know a lot of people think it is a bunch of bunk." Not "think" "I noticed improvements in my systems." Such as and why? "The power cord upgrade really wasn't that expensive, and came from Cullen Cable." How much and what are the claims? "The speaker cables were more, and I am happy with them." That's a good reason and all you need I suppose. "They came from Morrow. All I know is that there is a difference between the stock power cord and regular lamp cord." And just what is that? "Others may differ, but that is my opinion. I wish you well." Not me I agree with you 100 percent. With all that evidence, I'm going to replace everything tomorrow...thanks and Merry Christmas! Sorry I just have to vent once in a while when the BS flies. Vent all you want. I didn't change my power cords or speaker cables for you. I did it for me. I heard a difference. Doesn't matter to me if no one else does. This was for me, and I gave my thoughts to a question that was asked, based on my experiences. As for your choices, use what makes you happy. |
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Post by vneal on Dec 3, 2015 9:00:15 GMT -5
cables sound different
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Post by bootman on Dec 3, 2015 9:09:03 GMT -5
The only reason (for me) to change out cables is not for the differences in wire but for an improvement in connectors.
(And this is more of a physical improvement than looking for an improvement in SQ)
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Post by pedrocols on Dec 3, 2015 9:22:54 GMT -5
Yup Yup...  |
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 3, 2015 9:34:55 GMT -5
I think what you wrote leads to an informal fallacy. And I couldn't explain it better than this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignoranceIn my view, the only way out is to use direct experience - try it out yourself. If you hear it, go with fancy cables and power cords. If you don't hear any difference, then go with free or ultra cheap stuff (as in Romex wiring that you can source from your local Habitat for Humanity - not "fancy" speaker cables from Emotiva, Blue Jean, etc.) Trying stuff out is the crux of the hobby. And what works for you does not mean that it works for everyone else. That seems like a very ineffective (and expensive) way to approach things; relying on the Brownian motion of choosing different products, trying them, and determining if there is a) a difference, and b) if that difference is "better." It seems much more effective to approach it scientifically by first identifying what properties of a cable affect sound followed by selecting the cables that have the properties you desire. This all presupposes that using a cable to shape the sound is something that is worthwhile. If power cables make a difference in sound what makes the two feet of power cable from the wall outlet to the device "special?" That 50 feet of romex behind the wall going to the fuse box seems much more significant comparatively, not to mention the main line coming from the pole, etc. It seems like if you are going to go for it with power line you better replace it all the way to the transformer... or to the hydroelectric dam. Excellent! |
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 3, 2015 9:40:13 GMT -5
"The only reason (for me) to change out cables is not for the differences in wire but for an improvement in connectors. (And this is more of a physical improvement than looking for an improvement in SQ)" Totally agree. Good "build quality" cable connectors are very important.......particularly when you do a fair amount of swapping out of equip. Nobody of course wants poorly soldered, thin connections at those important stress points. Bill |
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 3, 2015 9:41:25 GMT -5
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Post by bootman on Dec 3, 2015 10:34:17 GMT -5
"The only reason (for me) to change out cables is not for the differences in wire but for an improvement in connectors. (And this is more of a physical improvement than looking for an improvement in SQ)" Totally agree. Good "build quality" cable connectors are very important.......particularly when you do a fair amount of swapping out of equip. Nobody of course wants poorly soldered, thin connections at those important stress points. Bill I would have no issues in buying a cable with say WBT connectors at a premium price. But not because said cable has been cryogenically frozen to align the electrons for purer signal flow. That crap is just nonsense and pseudoscience made up by folks wanting to sell cables. I tell anyone who wants a well made high quality cables just to go to bluejeans. (and notice that they don't sell power cables.  ) This article by them pretty much sums up my views. www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/doeswirematter.htm |
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Post by splash51 on Dec 3, 2015 11:09:56 GMT -5
Hi Keith, I am hearing a lot of talk about after market power cords that improve sound performance. The claims are the power cable with this O2 free copper allow power supply generated noise to leave the unit on the outer surface of the copper. Preventing it from entering the system. It also claims to prevent "filter" Hi frequency noise from entering the system. So my question to Emotiva is do your amps have built in filters on the power supply to handle these stuff?? I am very skeptical about the claims being made by the manufacturers and the folks who swear they hear a significant difference. FYI my system: GoldenEar Technologies Triton ones driven by XPA-2 Gen2 in mono mode. (Beautiful full sound!!!!) GoldenEar SCXXL center driven by XPA-1L Rears and SS Golden Ear Super Sat 3s Driven by internal amps in a Yamaha RX-A1040 which also handles all preamp duties for above. Oppo 103 CD/BR/SACD All plug into a Panamax 5300PM Thanks for any insight you can provide, Splash51 I upgraded power cords and speaker cables in my set ups. I know a lot of people think it is a bunch of bunk. I noticed improvements in my systems. The power cord upgrade really wasn't that expensive, and came from Cullen Cable. The speaker cables were more, and I am happy with them. They came from Morrow. All I know is that there is a difference between the stock power cord and regular lamp cord. Others may differ, but that is my opinion. I wish you well. Thanks, I have upgraded to AudioQuest Go 4 speaker cable and Golden Gate interconnects. they sound fantastic!! Using stock power cables:) |
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Post by pedrocols on Dec 3, 2015 11:39:23 GMT -5
You can argue all you want but when a 5 feet of speaker or power cable cost me more than my spekaers and amps combined then you have to be a silly goose to fall for it. Besides the fact that you hear a difference it does not mean that it is better. It is nothing more than a subjective subject so basically in my opinion it makes no sense to even discuss this issue.
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 3, 2015 11:52:04 GMT -5
"Thanks, I have upgraded to AudioQuest Go 4 speaker cable and Golden Gate interconnects. they sound fantastic!! Using stock power cables:)" That's REALLY fast work!! Less than 24 hours ago you were looking for advice and NOW.....you have all new wires, so you say, interesting. (unless I mixed you up with someone else?) Just in closing, wires don't sound "fantastic" . They don't "sound" anything, they simply connect and that's all. You should look up the famous (to some) coat hanger test where high end speakers were connected using metal wire hangers from the dry cleaners and testing that connection against VERY pricey speaker cable in the 1000 dollar range. No one could hear any difference in blind testing. Glad to see you opted to stick with your stock power cords......at least there is hope my friend! Bill |
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 3, 2015 12:02:13 GMT -5
"You can argue all you want but when a 5 feet of speaker or power cable cost me more than my spekaers and amps combined then you have to be a silly goose to fall for it. Besides the fact that you hear a difference it does not mean that it is better. It is nothing more than a subjective subject so basically in my opinion it makes no sense to even discuss this issue." It is refreshing to hear this coming from a "tube guy!" Although I am into solid state amps. I understand the appeal. My last tube amplifier (I have to think for a moment) goes back to around 1972. I had a Stromberg Carlson and used a fisher tube preamp in conjunction with it. The room upstairs I used it in really did build up some additional heat from all of that. That was my last year before moving into solid state with an AR. Bill |
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