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Post by jmilton on Jan 19, 2016 10:55:01 GMT -5
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Post by jamco on Jan 19, 2016 13:28:06 GMT -5
Many thanks for the post, jmilton!
I'm looking forward to the Dish Hopper 3. The 16 tuners will more than address our DVR Timer conflicts. The 4K Sports Bar Mode sounds awesome; it's a multi-channel view that divides the screen into quadrants of four 1080 channels. While this link indicates the Hopper 3 will be available in early 2016, the Dish 4K Joey was presented at last year's CES and it's still not available.
www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160105006739/en/DISH-Unveils-Hopper-3-Enhanced-4K-Experience
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Post by restless on Jan 19, 2016 15:27:12 GMT -5
I tried to order the DIRECTV 4K Genie during the Christmas/New Year week, and was told they had none in this area. Had a few before Christmas, and then none since. So, still waiting for equipment to materialize.
I picked up a LG OLED 4K 55 inch TV before Christmas, and have been getting used to it since. I was going to hold off a bit longer, but really like the Demo at Best Buy. My earlier 1080P TV was a Sony 52XBR10, with the base and the physical TV connected via WiFi. That TV has been exceptional for several years now, and I was in no hurry to replace it.
However, the LG OLED is really something special. I have re-watched several Blu Rays, and have actually enjoyed the 3D presentation. (Normally, 3D just seems blurry to me, and not a crisp as 2D. The LG OLED implementation is really quite good and pleasant to watch (Gravity, Interstellar, Martian, Guardians of the Galaxy). The SONY Projector I have required active glasses to view the 3D movie, while the LG 3D is passive.
The picture of the LG OLED is exceptional. The ACTION is not as good as the XBR, so for sports the XBR still is in use. But the Blacks are truly Black on the OLED. IF my input is turned off before the TV is turned off, it is so black, it is hard to tell if it is running or not!! Color is exceptional.
I also picked up the Sony 4K Media Center, that was on sale for $200, compared to the original $799, so I assume a new one of these will be out soon as well. I wasn't as impressed with the 4K media downloads as I was with the 1080P to 4K up convert that the TV performs. My 1080P Blu-Ray looked better (via OPPO and EMC-1) than the Sony Download media at 4k via the Media Center and direct connect to the TV with new HDMI 2.2 cables. I am still less than impressed with the entire download concept, and will stick with physical media.
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Post by bootman on Jan 19, 2016 16:17:48 GMT -5
I wasn't as impressed with the 4K media downloads as I was with the 1080P to 4K up convert that the TV performs. My 1080P Blu-Ray looked better (via OPPO and EMC-1) than the Sony Download media at 4k via the Media Center and direct connect to the TV with new HDMI 2.2 cables. I am still less than impressed with the entire download concept, and will stick with physical media. Bitrate more so than resolution is what makes the most PQ difference. Hard to beat 50Mb/s vs maybe 15Mb/s with 4k downloads if you are lucky. Not to mention HD audio on disk only at the moment which is the reason we all have good HT setups to begin with.  |
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Post by LCSeminole on Jan 19, 2016 17:33:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. Great place to see everything 4K!  |
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Post by Loop 7 on Jan 19, 2016 18:37:10 GMT -5
I tried to order the DIRECTV 4K Genie during the Christmas/New Year week, and was told they had none in this area. Had a few before Christmas, and then none since. So, still waiting for equipment to materialize. The challenge with cable and satellite is that very little of the content will be created in 4K. I imagine the providers have some incredible upscaling infrastructure and that tier one sports/prime time content is being produced natively with 4K+ cameras but I'm skeptical about all the other content. A lot of content created with film has the advantage of very high resolution if scanned correctly. I guess I'm saying I hope the UHD evolution drives higher source generation. I'm still using a 1080p or "Full HD" plasma so I've not seen any of the 4K content from Amazon, M-Go, Netflix, Vudu, YouTube, etc. on a UHD panel. Does it look amazing? |
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Post by restless on Jan 26, 2016 16:04:27 GMT -5
Loop7 -- missed the question earlier.
I have only tried the 4K Sony content (via their Media Center), and that content is exceptional. However, the content from the OPPO 93 Blu Ray at 1080P/Up-scaled through the TV is really exceptional!! Tried some You Tube 4K, but was not really excited. Have not tried NetFlix or DirecTv as of yet (still waiting on the 4K player from DirecTV).
I have the Panny 4k Player on order for delivery via Amazon on March 1st. I really believe that will be the first time to really sample 4K native Blu Ray to 4K TV.
The last couple weeks, just view normal TV over DirecTv, the entire experience is more enjoyable. With the true Blacks from OLED, everything looks a bit better.
Only downside is that the SPEED of the TV is not all that great for watching sports. Still a little blur, rather than the 960 speed I was used to on the Sony. For movies, it is not that noticeable.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jan 26, 2016 16:42:29 GMT -5
2016 - The year that UHD breaks out... or not
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 1:10:25 GMT -5
Oh you guys are a little behind. My inside information is that late in the fall of 2016 the beta/prototype models of 16K SuperUltraHD will be out in select regions of the US. I suggest you put your 4K update on hold for awhile, you don't want to miss out on the latest. I read that Super 16K will blow 4K out of the water.
Futhamore, stay tuned for the latest breaking update news on Dolby AtmosphereXT Ultra Surround Sound for home and theater. It will expand to the current Atmos setup, adding speakers in the floor, front and mid side walls plus speakers in the bathrooms.
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Post by bootman on Feb 1, 2016 6:56:25 GMT -5
Oh you guys are a little behind. My inside information is that late in the fall of 2016 the beta/prototype models of 16 K SuperUltraHD will be out in select regions of the US. I suggest you put your 4K update on hold for awhile, you don't want to miss out on the latest. I read that Super 16K will blow 4K out of the water. Futhamore, stay tuned for the latest breaking update news on Dolby AtmosphereXT Ultra Surround Sound for home and theater. It will expand to the current Atmos setup, adding speakers in the floor, front and mid side walls plus speakers in the bathrooms. Funny But did you see the 8K OLED LG showed off at this year's CES? No mention of what HDMI standard that needs to get native 8K content. I smell product refresh by the big OEMs soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 7:34:57 GMT -5
Oh you guys are a little behind. My inside information is that late in the fall of 2016 the beta/prototype models of 16 K SuperUltraHD will be out in select regions of the US. I suggest you put your 4K update on hold for awhile, you don't want to miss out on the latest. I read that Super 16K will blow 4K out of the water. Futhamore, stay tuned for the latest breaking update news on Dolby AtmosphereXT Ultra Surround Sound for home and theater. It will expand to the current Atmos setup, adding speakers in the floor, front and mid side walls plus speakers in the bathrooms. Funny But did you see the 8K OLED LG showed off at this year's CES? No mention of what HDMI standard that needs to get native 8K content. I smell product refresh by the big OEMs soon. I'm too old to keep up with all the changes, making my head spin!  gizmodo.com/lgs-ludicrous-8k-tv-is-too-insane-for-my-eyes-to-handle-1677790143 |
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Post by mgbpuff on Feb 1, 2016 7:54:40 GMT -5
I'm fairly well into 4k. I have a Samsung 65JS8500 that has 4k apps Netflix, Amazon, U-tube, and MGO. I also have the Amazon 4k FireTv (which outperforms the tv's built in apps). I have the Samsung preloaded UHD disc (12 movies) and the WD Passport (used in conjunction with MGO). I also have Directv 4k. I have the new Samsung 4kUHD player on order along with two 4k discs.
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Post by Talley on Feb 1, 2016 8:51:54 GMT -5
4K is not 4K until we can play 108Mbps media.
EVERYTHING ELSE streaming 4K is only 15mbps and a 1080P bluray movie delivering 30-54mbps will have a better IQ.
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Post by mgbpuff on Feb 1, 2016 9:18:48 GMT -5
4K is not 4K until we can play 108Mbps media. EVERYTHING ELSE streaming 4K is only 15mbps and a 1080P bluray movie delivering 30-54mbps will have a better IQ. Movies downloaded to my WD Passport Vidity enabled drive from MGO are indeed 4K and some are even HDR. This is the best 4K I have seen so far. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Feb 1, 2016 10:09:14 GMT -5
Many NHL games are in 4K, but you need to have Rogers Cable in Canada to see them.
I think DirecTV is beta testing 4K on the CBS coverage of the PGA TOUR event in Los Angeles in February.
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Post by casey01 on Feb 1, 2016 11:30:50 GMT -5
Many NHL games are in 4K, but you need to have Rogers Cable in Canada to see them. I think DirecTV is beta testing 4K on the CBS coverage of the PGA TOUR event in Los Angeles in February. Yep, as far as Rogers cable in Canada you are correct, however, you also need one of their new 4K capable cable boxes to see the games and they are are shown on a separate channel. Although I am not totally 100% sure about this, but, I understand that the Blue Jays this coming season will be the first MLB team to broadcast all of their home games in 4K. Apparently they are in the process of updating their equipment as we speak and it is rather appropriate since Rogers owns the team, the sports stations that broadcast the games and the stadium in which they play. |
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Post by Talley on Feb 1, 2016 12:42:58 GMT -5
4K is not 4K until we can play 108Mbps media. EVERYTHING ELSE streaming 4K is only 15mbps and a 1080P bluray movie delivering 30-54mbps will have a better IQ. Movies downloaded to my WD Passport Vidity enabled drive from MGO are indeed 4K and some are even HDR. This is the best 4K I have seen so far. Not sure the bitrate of that device but I can be willing to wager once you see a UHD blu-ray media on your system you will see a dramatic improvement in IQ. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Feb 1, 2016 13:30:19 GMT -5
Movies downloaded to my WD Passport Vidity enabled drive from MGO are indeed 4K and some are even HDR. This is the best 4K I have seen so far. Not sure the bitrate of that device but I can be willing to wager once you see a UHD blu-ray media on your system you will see a dramatic improvement in IQ. Bit rate only applies to streaming. This is not streaming, this is file downloading with error control. This takes hours to download, but once it is all on the hard drive, you have the equivalent of the files on an UHD disc. |
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Post by Talley on Feb 1, 2016 16:47:54 GMT -5
Not sure the bitrate of that device but I can be willing to wager once you see a UHD blu-ray media on your system you will see a dramatic improvement in IQ. Bit rate only applies to streaming. This is not streaming, this is file downloading with error control. This takes hours to download, but once it is all on the hard drive, you have the equivalent of the files on an UHD disc. Hey I get it but bitrate applies to all digital video. Even down to your fancy smart phone. I looked into the vidity thing and nowhere could I find actual bitrate information of the files. I still feel confident that they you are getting a further compressed video vs. what it will actually be on the ultra HD discs. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Feb 1, 2016 19:37:16 GMT -5
Well all data passing over the internet is a stream of bits (duh). Streaming is real time data passed directly to a display device with little in the way of buffer or storage. File transfer is not tied to any given broadband speed, but of course the slower, the longer the download takes. File transfer is by packets with error correction techniques to a storage device, thus it is not speed dependent. . Of course some type of compression codec must be used such as H.265 codec, which is commonly referred to as HEVC (High Efficiency Video Codec). The HEVC codec is more efficient than its predecessor. There are currently plans for 66GB (dual layer) and 100GB (triple layer) UHD Blu-ray discs. The goal with the new disc sizes is to keep movies on a single disc. The data rate for the 66GB discs will be 108mbps and the data rate for the 100GB discs will increase to 128mbps. Here is a little blurb about Vidity and their patented large file handling system. tv.about.com/od/cableandsatellitetv/fl/Introducing-Vidity-Delivering-4K-Movies-to-the-Broadband-Challenged.htm |
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