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Post by drc3 on Jan 26, 2016 21:39:05 GMT -5
New to this forum and have been reading as much as possible , but I haven't come across any reference to a gen-3 replacement for XPR-1. A little background- I currently own 2 gen-1 XPA-1 and really like how they sound paired to JTR 215 RM's for mains. I also have an XPA-3 the runs the center (JTR 215RM) and 2 JTR Single 8 surrounds. The 215RM's are 4ohm rated and spec'd to handle 2000 watts. Many of the guys on AVS Forum's JTR thread run pro amps (Crown, Behringer, Crest, etc). I have considered these, but I would like to stay with Emotiva. Was going to pull the trigger on 2 XPR-1's and move one XPA-1 to center duty, but just now saw that they have been discontinued. I am interested in the new amps, but hoping they deliver something comparable to the XPR-1 for power. If the new amps sound good and the SMPS is rock solid the an added benefit at that power level would also be efficiency. Has there been anything like this mentioned? Thanks for the help!  |
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Post by teaman on Jan 26, 2016 22:34:38 GMT -5
If you call Emotiva they are having a factory refreshed sale with the XPR-1, 2 and 5 available. It was just announced today via email and all pieces include the five year warranty.
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Post by garbulky on Jan 26, 2016 22:42:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't hold my breath on XPR-1 replacemnets. Though I wouldn't rule it out, they said the main reason for switching to their switching power supply and the problems with the XPR-1 was the weight reuirementsts. If oyu want the XPR-1s and they are fine fine amps, you should get the B stock. Also of interest is the XPA-1 gen 2 amps i have which are utterly fantastic. I would personally choose it over the XPR-1 (personally).
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Post by ocezam on Jan 26, 2016 23:14:57 GMT -5
Also of interest is the XPA-1 gen 2 amps i have which are utterly fantastic. I would personally choose it over the XPR-1 (personally). I've owned both. I would personally choose the XPR-1 (personally). |
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Post by garbulky on Jan 26, 2016 23:19:12 GMT -5
Also of interest is the XPA-1 gen 2 amps i have which are utterly fantastic. I would personally choose it over the XPR-1 (personally). I've owned both. I would personally choose the XPR-1 (personally). I can understand that. It's got HUGE amounts of power. I mean insane amounts of power. I hoep that someday I will have two pairs of XPA-1. Bi amping allowing me the power of an XPR-1 pair but with the advantage of 120 watts of class A per channel. Did you have the gen 1 XPA-1 or gen 2 btw? Because I found the class A to be an improvement. |
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Post by badronald on Jan 26, 2016 23:29:06 GMT -5
I never heard the XPR-1 but i love the sound of my XPA-1 Gen2's. I would only got with the xpr line if only I really needed the xtra power, not for sound quality because I'm not so sure they sound better then the xpa-1's by the reviews and what other folks have said here.. My room is 13x15, so the XPA-1 g2 suit me fine!
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Post by teaman on Jan 26, 2016 23:34:12 GMT -5
I own both XPA-1 Gen 1 and Gen 2 and I enjoy even more the 32db gain in the first gen. I wonder what made them reduce the gain from 32 db to 29 db in the Gen 2 of all of their amps? I don't really care for the Class A as I play loud enough to switch over to A/B in most cases anyways and the fact that the amps stay cooler in A/B is fine with me. The sound improvement is minimal at best. IMO.
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Post by lehighvalleyjeff on Jan 27, 2016 0:38:11 GMT -5
My opinion is biased because I own a pair of XPR-1s. From my experience they are really great sounding and capable amplifiers with lots of headroom. I've never heard an XPA-1 in my system but i have read reviews from many on this forum and how they are very happy with their XPA-1's.
Personally, I think the XPR-1's at the price are an exceptional value and more importantly I love how they sound driving my Paradigm Studio 100v5's.
Either way you choose to go I think both of the options are safe purchases. Many very happy customers on this forum.
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Post by deltadube on Jan 27, 2016 2:59:16 GMT -5
My opinion is biased because I own a pair of XPR-1s. From my experience they are really great sounding and capable amplifiers with lots of headroom. I've never heard an XPA-1 in my system but i have read reviews from many on this forum and how they are very happy with their XPA-1's. Personally, I think the XPR-1's at the price are an exceptional value and more importantly I love how they sound driving my Paradigm Studio 100v5's. Either way you choose to go I think both of the options are safe purchases. Many very happy customers on this forum. lucky guy! wish I had a pair too.. but I would have to hire piano movers to hook up... cheers.. |
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Post by ocezam on Jan 28, 2016 8:17:59 GMT -5
I've owned both. I would personally choose the XPR-1 (personally). Because I found the class A to be an improvement. Yes I know you did. As well as a few others. I found class A made more heat only. I felt the same about the XPA-1L. I'm ok with heat from my tubes. I do not want heat from my solid state. Also, I do drive my amps hard enough that the XPA-1s went into protect mode an a few occasions. I've never seen the XPR-1 get close to that. To each his own for sure, but I feel sad the XPR line is gone. Most of the moves Emotiva has made in the last year or two are moves away from what I personally like. |
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 28, 2016 11:38:07 GMT -5
Also, I do drive my amps hard enough that the XPA-1s went into protect mode an a few occasions.  At the risk of breaching societal etiquette, may I request being invited to the next Ocezam rave bash? They must be one helluva a party..... |
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Post by garbulky on Jan 28, 2016 12:04:32 GMT -5
I was thinking casa de Ocezam is a rockin!
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Post by drc3 on Jan 28, 2016 18:04:33 GMT -5
Guys- thanks so much for the responses. Can you please help me little further and provide your opinion...I have read that the Gen 1 XPA-1 was bench tested at 1000-1100 watts 4ohm. Not sure where I read this, but it was a little more powerful than the 1000 watts spec'd. I believe the XPR-1 is rated at 1750 watts 4ohm...simple math says maybe a 2-2.5db increase in headroom...Not a whole lot, but headroom is headroom, right. I also run multiple submersive subs, but sometimes I like to run "no subs" and the 215's are rated at 32z +-3db. They dig loooowwwww and I can make the LED's bounce like crazy, LOL. I have on occasion shut down the XPA-1's. Like I said the XPA-1's sound great, just looking to not have them shut down on movie scenes. Wondering about the XPR-1's.
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Post by garbulky on Jan 28, 2016 18:12:59 GMT -5
Guys- thanks so much for the responses. Can you please help me little further and provide your opinion...I have read that the Gen 1 XPA-1 was bench tested at 1000-1100 watts 4ohm. Not sure where I read this, but it was a little more powerful than the 1000 watts spec'd. I believe the XPR-1 is rated at 1750 watts 4ohm...simple math says maybe a 2-2.5db increase in headroom...Not a whole lot, but headroom is headroom, right. I also run multiple submersive subs, but sometimes I like to run "no subs" and the 215's are rated at 32z +-3db. They dig loooowwwww and I can make the LED's bounce like crazy, LOL. I have on occasion shut down the XPA-1's. Like I said the XPA-1's sound great, just looking to not have them shut down on movie scenes. Wondering about the XPR-1's. If you shut down the XPA-1s then the XPR-1s is what you are looking for. However be warned that the XPA-1 shutting down may be the speakers banging against themselves. |
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Post by drc3 on Jan 28, 2016 18:50:12 GMT -5
Guys- thanks so much for the responses. Can you please help me little further and provide your opinion...I have read that the Gen 1 XPA-1 was bench tested at 1000-1100 watts 4ohm. Not sure where I read this, but it was a little more powerful than the 1000 watts spec'd. I believe the XPR-1 is rated at 1750 watts 4ohm...simple math says maybe a 2-2.5db increase in headroom...Not a whole lot, but headroom is headroom, right. I also run multiple submersive subs, but sometimes I like to run "no subs" and the 215's are rated at 32z +-3db. They dig loooowwwww and I can make the LED's bounce like crazy, LOL. I have on occasion shut down the XPA-1's. Like I said the XPA-1's sound great, just looking to not have them shut down on movie scenes. Wondering about the XPR-1's. If you shut down the XPA-1s then the XPR-1s is what you are looking for. However be warned that the XPA-1 shutting down may be the speakers banging against themselves. Garbulky- Thanks so much for the response!...I know a number of guys running a slightly different speaker made by Jeff at JTR (Tower version) and they use nuke 6000DSP (2x3100 watts at 4ohms) with 20-30hz boost and a HPF at 16hz. Those guys use the 215RT version that is basically a ported version of the 215RM. The main difference is that the RT is rated lower at 18hz vs 32hz for the RM. (Please see the specs below). Could it be that running the RM version (limited at 32hz +-3db) full range and driving them to cover frequencies sometimes in the single digits (i.e. HTTYD Dragon crash scene), would cause the "rev limiting" phenomena? Thanks so much for your time and appreciate your help! JTR 215 RT (Tower Version) Frequency +/-3db 18hz-24khz (15hz at 24db/octive highpass recommended) Sensitivity* 95db (2.0 volts, free air) Useable Output ** 128db (calculated peak 131 – 3db compression) Recommended Amplification up to 2000 watts RMS (program) Impedance 4 ohm Dimensions (HxWxD) 72″x17″x22.5″ Weight 215lbs JTR 215 RM (Monitor Version) Frequency +/-3db 32hz-24khz Sensitivity* 95db (2.0 volts, free air) Useable Output ** 128db (calculated peak 131 – 3db compression) Recommended Amplification up to 2000 watts RMS (program) Impedance 4 ohm Dimensions (HxWxD) 48″x17″x18″ Weight 165lbs |
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Post by drc3 on Jan 28, 2016 19:11:54 GMT -5
Forgot to mention the woofers and coaxial compression drivers are identical...only the cabinet is different.
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Post by ocezam on Jan 28, 2016 23:22:03 GMT -5
Also, I do drive my amps hard enough that the XPA-1s went into protect mode an a few occasions. At the risk of breaching societal etiquette, may I request being invited to the next Ocezam rave bash? They must be one helluva a party..... I was thinking casa de Ocezam is a rockin! I've said this before, I do not believe the XPA-1s were underpowered, I believe my subs are probably dipping low in impedance, combined with high volume drove the XPAs into protect mode. But whatever the deal was, it happened on at least 3 or 4 occasions, and never happens with my XPRs. And yeah, the house was rockin'. I don't listen that way very much, but after a few cocktails I sometimes break out the old time rock and roll, and I do want the system to handle it. Rush 2112 demands extremely high volume. In any event, I am really bummed about the XPRs demise. I understand it, but it still is a bummer.... |
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Post by drc3 on Jan 29, 2016 6:42:08 GMT -5
If you call Emotiva they are having a factory refreshed sale with the XPR-1, 2 and 5 available. It was just announced today via email and all pieces include the five year warranty. Teaman-gonna give them a call this am. Thanks for the info! |
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Post by leonski on Feb 28, 2016 23:08:57 GMT -5
IIRC, the XPR-1 REQUIRES a 20amp service for rated power. It'll run on a 15 amp circuit, just won't perform to spec.
Most persons would actually be better served by the XPR-2 which unfortunately ALSO needs a 20 amp service.
If the speakers in question can be BiAmped? A set of 4 lesser amps would work FINE. Maybe some of the 1Ls? I briefly considered a set of 4 for my panels until I did an OUTLET COUNT and came up short.
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Post by garbulky on Feb 28, 2016 23:23:13 GMT -5
leonski :What you said is true. However Dan has come out to say that the 15 A will work just fine. Just not as you mentioned at full power. So not contradicting what you said. Just that there is capacitance for quick bursts in the XPR-1. But it is true 20 amps are recommended for full performance.
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