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Post by Loop 7 on Mar 25, 2016 10:02:36 GMT -5
Order from Bluejeans because then you won't wonder later or be tempted to upgrade.
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Post by Soup on Mar 25, 2016 10:13:51 GMT -5
I have some for sale. send me a PM if interested.
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Post by JKCashin on Mar 25, 2016 10:37:29 GMT -5
Man, that Chuckienut guy is one of the most helpful forum members... Kudos to you!
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Post by Jace on Mar 25, 2016 20:33:28 GMT -5
I was asked so nicely by Mr. Chuckienut if I could post a picture for some recommendations. I have attached a picture so hopefully it will show itself. If not, bare with me while I attempt to figure as to why not. From the wall behind the TV to the wall behind me from where I took the picture is 20'. From the right of the picture, where the window is to the wall on the left, which is not visible, is 22.5'. So the entire room will not be involved in the HT setup. Just not possible. The center channel will replace the Paradigm soundbar you see. To put things in perspective, the mains are 10' apart. The distance from the front of the TV stand to the front of the couch is 10'. Mind you nothing of the HT system is hooked up yet with the exception the Oppo. The XPA-5 is ordered but will not arrive until after the 15th of April. My cluttered living room, embarrassing. One other thing. Unfortunately, I cannot have a sweet spot as there are multiple listening positions. All I am concerned with is good sound from the couch you see at the bottom of the picture. Attachments:
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Post by novisnick on Mar 25, 2016 20:56:21 GMT -5
I was asked so nicely by Mr. Chuckienut if I could post a picture for some recommendations. I have attached a picture so hopefully it will show itself. If not, bare with me while I attempt to figure as to why not. From the wall behind the TV to the wall behind me from where I took the picture is 20'. From the right of the picture, where the window is to the wall on the left, which is not visible, is 22.5'. So the entire room will not be involved in the HT setup. Just not possible. The center channel will replace the Paradigm soundbar you see. To put things in perspective, the mains are 10' apart. The distance from the front of the TV stand to the front of the couch is 10'. Mind you nothing of the HT system is hooked up yet with the exception the Oppo. The XPA-5 is ordered but will not arrive until after the 15th of April. My cluttered living room, embarrassing. One other thing. Unfortunately, I cannot have a sweet spot as there are multiple listening positions. All I am concerned with is good sound from the couch you see at the bottom of the picture. I'd first try moving those boxes out from in front of the right speaker.   In all honesty, I like the size of that room! Very nice!  Farther out drom the walls has always been a good place to start. Treatments are required please, behind each speaker and on the wall behind your sitting area. The XPA-5 is a champion of HT amps! Every HT system should have at least one IMHO. Best wishes, love to see a work in progress! |
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Post by butchgo on Mar 25, 2016 23:28:51 GMT -5
Save money on cable, any heavy gauge good quality ofc in-wall type speaker cable like monoprice will do the job, IMO avoid clear plastic sleeve, they tends to oxydizing the copper faster than opaque in-wall type. 100% agree.., |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 23:31:13 GMT -5
Save money on cable, any heavy gauge good quality ofc in-wall type speaker cable like monoprice will do the job, IMO avoid clear plastic sleeve, they tends to oxydizing the copper faster than opaque in-wall type. 100% agree.., Good advice. When the wire will be exposed to sun I use the opaque zip cord. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 1:23:40 GMT -5
I was asked so nicely by Mr. Chuckienut if I could post a picture for some recommendations. I have attached a picture so hopefully it will show itself. If not, bare with me while I attempt to figure as to why not. From the wall behind the TV to the wall behind me from where I took the picture is 20'. From the right of the picture, where the window is to the wall on the left, which is not visible, is 22.5'. So the entire room will not be involved in the HT setup. Just not possible. The center channel will replace the Paradigm soundbar you see. To put things in perspective, the mains are 10' apart. The distance from the front of the TV stand to the front of the couch is 10'. Mind you nothing of the HT system is hooked up yet with the exception the Oppo. The XPA-5 is ordered but will not arrive until after the 15th of April. My cluttered living room, embarrassing. One other thing. Unfortunately, I cannot have a sweet spot as there are multiple listening positions. All I am concerned with is good sound from the couch you see at the bottom of the picture.  Jace, hope you don't mind if I enlarged your photo, easier to see. You did a great job in this post and your included info/photo is very helpful. Nick made some good comments. In the future or if you have time now, please take one wide angle photo each direction (4 total) from the opposite wall to include the entire wall (no wider needed) on the other side of the room. You already have one but I need to see the front wall all the way to the left corner. These photos will also help with a recommendation where to place your surround speakers (you have 2ea surrounds, correct?) One or two more close up shots that show how close the L&R speakers and the back of the TV are from the walls behind and beside them. Dimensions would also be fine. How far is the front edge of the cabinet that the center speaker will be on from the wall behind the TV. That way we can see the entire perimeter of the room and see if you have any openings. This might include room that is not part of your actual HT designated area but it will affect how much power you need to fill the entire room etc. How far is the back of the sofa to the rear wall? Looks like the room is about 20' deep and 22.5' wide. This is close to square and not ideal but we have to use what you have. The HT area is apparently off to the right side of the room and about 20' deep by about 15' wide (my guess). I'll enlarge any more photos you post for easy viewing. The placement of the TV and L&R look very good (but I might suggest you move them out some after I see your measurements). The height of the center should be good and the tweeter is close to the height of the tweeters in the L&R (ideal). I might presume that usually most people (3 or so) will be on the sofa. I would then use that as the sweet area and to have the best sub performance. Your room is very bright, loots of hard reflective surfaces and not ideal. There are many things you can do, but I would start first by having a large throw rug (square, rectangular or round) between the TV and sofa. Others can recommend wall treatments to calm down the edgy/bright sounding reflective sounds off the walls. Nick has already made some good comments. Can the computer desk be moved any to the left? A foot or more, but if not practical then that is fine. The surrounds will most likely be best fairly high up on the side walls near the back or on the back wall above ear level (preferably not on stands). I know this is a lot of info requested but all questions are for important reasons. One important thought from you will be what is your max budget for sub(s)? You can always start with one and add one more if and when you want. When we get info you will get suggestions for sub(s). Right now my guess is one up front between the left speaker and the cabinet, where there is now a stand/plant. A second sub might be on the right wall near the back or on the right side of the back wall. Neither exactly in the right rear corner. Thanks for any more info you can provide as it will help tremendously. (Don't worry about at all about any clutter it looks much neater than Boomsilly's place.)  Chuck |
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Post by Jace on Mar 26, 2016 9:57:19 GMT -5
You are correct, 2/ea. surrounds. Mounting surrounds on the walls, not remotely possible according to my wife. Computer desk can only be moved another 2" to the left. Center channel has not arrived as of yet. As of now, mains are 3.25" from the wall. Center of TV stand to center of each main is 5'. Right wall to center of right main, 22". Mind you this is all initial placement and nothing hooked up. Sub choice will be the VTF-15H, albeit, not immediately, or.......!!! Back of the couch to the rear wall is 5' 6". A slight hiccup was realized last night. I was planning on locating the XMC and XPA where I currently have the OPPO and Dish receiver. After measuring the height of the center shelf I would have to raise it to get the XPA to fit below it but that would only allow approximately a 2" clearance above it with the XMC having only a .25" - .5" clearance above it. The measurement from the front wall left corner to the opposite wall where the hutch is, 26'. If you look closely in the first picture that was posted, there is a large rug on the floor, just not pushed all the way to the stand. It is partially under the couch and love seat to prevent them from sliding. The front of the rug to the stand is 39". Front of mains are 16" from the wall whereas the front of TV is 14". |
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Post by hemster on Mar 26, 2016 10:16:02 GMT -5
Good advice. When the wire will be exposed to sun I use the opaque zip cord. So SPF 40 sunblock cream won't work on them there wires sitting in the sun?  |
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Post by Jace on Mar 26, 2016 10:48:27 GMT -5
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Post by gus4emo on Mar 26, 2016 12:09:56 GMT -5
You are correct, 2/ea. surrounds. Mounting surrounds on the walls, not remotely possible according to my wife. Computer desk can only be moved another 2" to the left. Center channel has not arrived as of yet. As of now, mains are 3.25" from the wall. Center of TV stand to center of each main is 5'. Right wall to center of right main, 22". Mind you this is all initial placement and nothing hooked up. Sub choice will be the VTF-15H, albeit, not immediately, or.......!!! Back of the couch to the rear wall is 5' 6". A slight hiccup was realized last night. I was planning on locating the XMC and XPA where I currently have the OPPO and Dish receiver. After measuring the height of the center shelf I would have to raise it to get the XPA to fit below it but that would only allow approximately a 2" clearance above it with the XMC having only a .25" - .5" clearance above it. The measurement from the front wall left corner to the opposite wall where the hutch is, 26'. If you look closely in the first picture that was posted, there is a large rug on the floor, just not pushed all the way to the stand. It is partially under the couch and love seat to prevent them from sliding. The front of the rug to the stand is 39". Front of mains are 16" from the wall whereas the front of TV is 14". That room is asking for a projector. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 26, 2016 12:12:08 GMT -5
Buy MINE! LOL
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Post by Jace on Mar 26, 2016 12:43:52 GMT -5
Gus, you mention a projector. Forgive my naivety, why a projector?
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Post by gus4emo on Mar 26, 2016 14:01:10 GMT -5
Gus, you mention a projector. Forgive my naivety, why a projector? IMHO, the TV size looks small compared to the sound you should be getting from your system, I like my movies loud, I have a 106 inch screen with a Panasonic 4000 projector, my system and screen size go hand in hand, crap, if had the space I would go with a bigger screen, not complaining, any way, from what I see you have a great system, feed it a bigger image, I use my projector strictly for movie night, the occasional sports night, and have a tiny 19 inch TV to watch whatever when doing any other type of watching, you can use your current TV to watch whatever and pull your screen down and fire the projector for real, serious movie nights, that way your projector will last longer, I'm using mine in my dark basement, so I use eco mode which even with lights on looks super, of course I turn the lights off, CRUTCHFIELD has a good Epson projector for $700 or $800, then get a good pull down screen for $180 or so, take care of it and you will be fine, use your TV for everything else... |
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Post by Jace on Mar 26, 2016 18:21:50 GMT -5
Thank you Gus for the explanation. As much as I like that idea, I am going to have to hold off for now.
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Post by gus4emo on Mar 26, 2016 19:08:52 GMT -5
Thank you Gus for the explanation. As much as I like that idea, I am going to have to hold off for now. -Jace There's something real good about CRUTCHFIELD.COM, say you pick a projector for $700, they will split the price in 4 payments, or let's say it's $800, you pay $200 X 4 months, a screen you can get at ProjectorPeople.com, just an idea. |
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Post by gus4emo on Mar 26, 2016 19:10:41 GMT -5
But jace, you would have to call them to do it that way.
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Post by Jace on Mar 26, 2016 20:08:26 GMT -5
Thank you for the options Gus. The money is not the issue. You are now making me contemplate trading in the wife. Come to find out, she lives here as well. I had no idea until I started adding AV gear to the living room. Out of no where this woman appeared, asked me what I was doing? An explanation was given. In turn I received a dirty look, shaking of the head followed by an emphatic NO! She as also made it clear that we are not hanging surround speakers on the wall but rather placed on stands.
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Post by gus4emo on Mar 26, 2016 23:46:20 GMT -5
Thank you for the options Gus. The money is not the issue. You are now making me contemplate trading in the wife. Come to find out, she lives here as well. I had no idea until I started adding AV gear to the living room. Out of no where this woman appeared, asked me what I was doing? An explanation was given. In turn I received a dirty look, shaking of the head followed by an emphatic NO! She as also made it clear that we are not hanging surround speakers on the wall but rather placed on stands. Oh well, lol...God bless. |
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