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Post by srpawski on May 5, 2016 17:00:17 GMT -5
So then based on the readings obtained from each channel, adjust the gain/level in the HT receiver menu until everything matches with the meter?
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Post by Axis on May 5, 2016 17:11:04 GMT -5
So then based on the readings obtained from each channel, adjust the gain/level in the HT receiver menu until everything matches with the meter? Most A/V Receivers use a supplied microphone that you place at the optimal listening position. The A/V Receiver sends out test tones to measure speaker distance and adjust / level each speaker volume. The serious hobbyist will have a radio shack sound level meter or use an App on the smart phone to set levels manually. I do not use the Auto speaker setup. I use a radio shack meter and a tape measure. |
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Post by srpawski on May 5, 2016 17:29:57 GMT -5
Right. I think I have two or three different Audyssey mics kicking around here. Never opened them. I have just gone by how the test tones sound sent out to each speaker and usually put them on the highest setting for each channel and go with that. I ain't fancy or into anything scientific. I might need to get a meter like you referenced.
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Post by Axis on May 5, 2016 17:59:42 GMT -5
Right. I think I have two or three different Audyssey mics kicking around here. Never opened them. I have just gone by how the test tones sound sent out to each speaker and usually put them on the highest setting for each channel and go with that. I ain't fancy or into anything scientific. I might need to get a meter like you referenced. Speaker setup is separate of room correction in regard that you do not need to use room correction but for the processor to apply the surround signals properly, speaker settings are required. How many speakers and subwoofers, speaker distance, level, polarity and size of speakers (Large/Small) for crossover cutoff. All these settings can be applied manually in the menu. You need to read the manual on your Receiver and learn how all these settings effect your setup. Different Receivers may apply settings different than others. |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 5, 2016 18:28:26 GMT -5
I would add it's not just the volume difference, say, between 2500 watts and 100 watts. (Which can be adjust using an SPL meter and/or equalisation like EMO-Q, Audyssey or DIRAC). It's also what I refer to as speed, it's one of the things that I notice immediately when swapping from an AVR built in amplification to an external amp like a XPA-5 etc. It's hard to put into words it's like............
* the AVR amp goes BOOM
* whereas the XPA-5 goes BOOM
Also as mentioned, there are sometimes tonal differences between amps, particularly AVR's and external power amps. Although speaker differences can be even more noticeable.
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Post by srpawski on May 5, 2016 19:09:00 GMT -5
I've done a pretty good job tweaking my speaker settings since I have had them. I have taken a lot of suggestions from the posts for the model receivers I have from the AVS Forums and then tweaked them to my liking after setting them preliminary from reading the manual. I have the size and crossover settings and LFE and all that jazz, but the distance settings I have measured with a tape measure but haven't used a meter to see how they are based on a reading. The measured distances are in line with where they need to be.
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Post by srpawski on May 5, 2016 19:33:22 GMT -5
You guys have given me a lot more to think about as well as confirmed a few more suspicions I had. I am definitely going to go with a 5 channel amp instead of a 3 channel and leaving the rears be driven by the HTR. Initially I thinking of just going for a 3 channel, then decided to go with one of the 5 channel ones, now today started thinking about the 3 channel again. 5 channel is going to be the way for me to go since I'm not planning on going with multiple amps, i.e. a 2 channel amp to drive the rears. I don't plan on going to 7.1 or Atmos. I never got much benefit out of my 7.1 so that is why I split it up and scaled back to 5 channel. Doesn't ever seem there was much 7.1 channel material I ran across. Could just be my taste in movies. I don't know. Also seems like a lot of people stick to 5.1 or go all the way to 9 channels with skipping over 7.1 altogether.
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Post by rbk123 on May 5, 2016 21:32:25 GMT -5
Go here for all the 7.1 movies available: www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.phpChange the "Audio" to 7.1 and it'll list 652 movies. I had 5.1 and went to 7.1; I'm not going back to 5.1, I can assure you, however I'm just a single data point. The better you have the processor setup, the more obvious the difference will be, but again it takes time. You have to listen critically through numerous movies, pay attention to the good and the bad, tweak, listen, etc... I used to do the sound meter setup and done. Now, I start there and then iterate. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on May 6, 2016 8:22:33 GMT -5
Any info on the XPA Gen3 DoubleWides? (Wasn't that the reason for this thread?)
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Post by Chuck Elliot on May 6, 2016 8:28:23 GMT -5
Any info on the XPA Gen3 DoubleWides? (Wasn't that the reason for this thread?) I think Axis gave us all that's available for info at this time. |
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Post by KeithL on May 6, 2016 8:41:56 GMT -5
I agree with you there... and it's especially important for the front three channels, where it will be very noticeable if the center is different, and sounds moving from left to right bobble around and change as they move. As for surrounds, I think it depends on what you listen to, and on how you personally feel about it. For example, if you listen to live music concert recordings, then the band or orchestra is going to be in front of you, and all that's going to be in the surrounds is room ambience. In that situation, I would say that the surrounds are likely to rarely if ever have anything loud in them, and it's not as critical how accurate they are. I think it's also true that, if you go back a few years, a lot of movies were also that way - most of the main action wasn't going on behind you (and the guys who produce the sound tracks knew that a lot of their audience had dinky little surrounds). However, modern movie sound tracks tend to try to be more "immersive", which means that there's more important stuff going on behind you, and so more need to get those channels right and make sure they match. Surrounds can do the same thing the Main left and right does. That same explosions or helicopter sound that is coming out of the Mains can come out the Surrounds. Use full range speakers all around and your in for a treat !  The punch line for me is panning, when a sound moves around the room, side to side, front to back etc it has to sound the same. It annoys the hell out of me when a moving sound source changes tone, maybe I'm just more sensitive to it than the average person. But we are talking high quality audio on here and noticeably different sonic signatures from different corners of the room aren't what I'd consider high quality. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Jim on May 6, 2016 9:18:30 GMT -5
Nice clear communication!  |
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Post by srpawski on May 6, 2016 9:43:01 GMT -5
Thank you all again.
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Post by Chuck Elliot on May 6, 2016 11:40:02 GMT -5
Love to see this as a standard disclaimer, perhaps with the addition of a line about an item being conceptual (may not be manufactured). This might allow a return to the old days when information flowed from Emotiva more freely. This was a great post Keith! Hear ye! Hear ye!
I just wanted to let you guys know that we're really still finalizing the design on the double-wide modules.
This means that anything you've heard so far should be considered to be "preliminary" and "subject to change".
They're definitely on the way, and they will be here pretty soon, but the exact release date and the technical details
(like how much power they'll put out and how many you'll be able to put in one chassis) are still subject to change.
As usual, as soon as we do have those details finalized, and we have definite information for you, we'll let you know.
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Post by rbk123 on May 6, 2016 11:58:35 GMT -5
This means that anything you've heard so far should be considered to be "preliminary" and "subject to change". So you're saying Axis was speculating?  |
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Post by srpawski on May 6, 2016 12:06:28 GMT -5
Where did you guys get the Emotiva shirts and hats from?
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Post by ilok on May 8, 2016 9:19:21 GMT -5
You want class D amp for subs.
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Post by Chuck Elliot on May 8, 2016 12:22:01 GMT -5
You want class D amp for subs. And why is that? |
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Post by bblv on May 11, 2016 13:13:06 GMT -5
Any news on whether they will be offering a two box setup for Atmos? i.e. either one box with three double wides & one standard blade plus another box with seven single blades, or one box with three double wides and another box with eight single blades (preferred solution)... (or even a single box with 3x300 + 8x150 that I saw teased elsewhere on the forum)?
I'm just beginning construction on a new house with dedicated theater room, so I have about a year before equipment purchases begin, but I've always been an Emotiva fan and keeping my fingers crossed for an eloquent 11-channel solution under $3k.
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