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Post by Chris Davis on Nov 23, 2017 16:04:52 GMT -5
Hi all,
Sorry to bump this thread from a year ago - but I am having the same exact issue with the XMC1. I tried to reach out to the OP directly, but never heard back. I can only assume he returned his XMC1.
I recently obtained my XMC1 and upgraded from an Onkyo TXNR828 which was used as a pre-amp going directly to an Emotiva XPA-3 amp. I've been slowly upgrading my system to Emotiva and was really excited about getting the XMC1, but I have to say that I am really disappointing by it. The sounds coming through my Energy Veritas V6.3 Towers and Energy V.5.1 Center channel sounds overly bright, harsh and somewhat empty / not full.
Some songs are un-listenable as it sounds way too bright or harsh - especially acoustic tracks or vocal signers with high voices. The way I would describe it is exactly as the OP did. DIRAC appears to only make this problem even more noticeable, with the sound appearing even more "empty" and bright. DIRAC appears to drop off the little bit of bass that was already there. It sounds so unnatural that I took out the mid-range driver from one of the towers to test the speaker and look at the internal crossover. Of course, the speakers checked out fine.
I've waited a month to post because I wanted to make sure I tried it all before reaching out on here. I've factory reset the unit several times, checked every setting I can think of and running DIRAC multiple times - but today I plugged in my old Okyo Receiver and instantly remembered how punchy, warm and full these towers are meant to sound.
Can someone please help?
Speakers: Energy Veritas V6.3 towers Fronts, Energy Veritas V5.1 Center, Energy Veritas Cieling speakers for rear surrounds, Klipsh 12W Subwoofer Amps: Emotiva XPA-3 for front three speakers. BassX 700x for reach two channels Processor: Emotiva XMC1 Old Processor: Onkyo TX-NR828
TLDR: Onkyo receiver sounds better than XMC 1. Everything is the same - speakers, cables, positions, amps.
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 23, 2017 16:30:39 GMT -5
Sure sounds like you have a problem, probably a configuration issue. How much customer support time with Emotiva have you invested and why assume the Op returned his?
Youāre outnumbered for starters.....that XMC is the SWEETEST sounding unit on the face of the planet. Guaranteed no swap from one unit to the XMC Without many different settings in play.
Bill
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 23, 2017 16:42:10 GMT -5
Try going into system EQ and kicking the treble back. Thatās a persistent setting when done. Many, many other options for tweaking to match your loudspeakers
Bill
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Post by adaboy on Nov 23, 2017 18:47:47 GMT -5
Hi all,Ā Sorry to bump this thread from a year ago - but I am having the same exact issue with the XMC1. I tried to reach out to the OP directly, but never heard back. I can only assume he returned his XMC1.Ā I recently obtained my XMC1 and upgraded from an Onkyo TXNR828 which was used as a pre-amp going directly to an Emotiva XPA-3 amp. I've been slowly upgrading my system to Emotiva and was really excited about getting the XMC1, but I have to say that I am really disappointing by it. The sounds coming through my Energy Veritas V6.3 Towers and Energy V.5.1 Center channel sounds overly bright, harsh and somewhat empty / not full.Ā Some songs are un-listenable as it sounds way too bright or harsh - especially acoustic tracks or vocal signers with high voices. The way I would describe it is exactly as the OP did. DIRAC appears to only make this problem even more noticeable, with the sound appearing even more "empty" and bright. DIRAC appears to drop off the little bit of bass that was already there. It sounds so unnatural that I took out the mid-range driver from one of the towers to test the speaker and look at the internal crossover. Of course, the speakers checked out fine. I've waited a month to post because I wanted to make sure I tried it all before reaching out on here.Ā I've factory reset the unit several times, checked every setting I can think of and running DIRAC multiple times - but today I plugged in my old Okyo Receiver and instantly remembered how punchy, warm and full these towers are meant to sound.Ā Can someone please help? Speakers: Energy Veritas V6.3 towers Fronts, Energy Veritas V5.1 Center, Energy Veritas Cieling speakers for rear surrounds, Klipsh 12W Subwoofer Amps: Emotiva XPA-3 for front three speakers. BassX 700x for reach two channels Processor: Emotiva XMC1 Old Processor: Onkyo TX-NR828 TLDR: Onkyo receiver sounds better than XMC 1. Everything is the same - speakers, cables, positions, amps.Ā Careful, you are likely to be hog tied by saying that the XMC1 doesn't sound good to you. Tread lightly.
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Post by foggy1956 on Nov 23, 2017 19:05:46 GMT -5
Hi all, Sorry to bump this thread from a year ago - but I am having the same exact issue with the XMC1. I tried to reach out to the OP directly, but never heard back. I can only assume he returned his XMC1. I recently obtained my XMC1 and upgraded from an Onkyo TXNR828 which was used as a pre-amp going directly to an Emotiva XPA-3 amp. I've been slowly upgrading my system to Emotiva and was really excited about getting the XMC1, but I have to say that I am really disappointing by it. The sounds coming through my Energy Veritas V6.3 Towers and Energy V.5.1 Center channel sounds overly bright, harsh and somewhat empty / not full. Some songs are un-listenable as it sounds way too bright or harsh - especially acoustic tracks or vocal signers with high voices. The way I would describe it is exactly as the OP did. DIRAC appears to only make this problem even more noticeable, with the sound appearing even more "empty" and bright. DIRAC appears to drop off the little bit of bass that was already there. It sounds so unnatural that I took out the mid-range driver from one of the towers to test the speaker and look at the internal crossover. Of course, the speakers checked out fine. I've waited a month to post because I wanted to make sure I tried it all before reaching out on here. I've factory reset the unit several times, checked every setting I can think of and running DIRAC multiple times - but today I plugged in my old Okyo Receiver and instantly remembered how punchy, warm and full these towers are meant to sound. Can someone please help? Speakers: Energy Veritas V6.3 towers Fronts, Energy Veritas V5.1 Center, Energy Veritas Cieling speakers for rear surrounds, Klipsh 12W Subwoofer Amps: Emotiva XPA-3 for front three speakers. BassX 700x for reach two channels Processor: Emotiva XMC1 Old Processor: Onkyo TX-NR828 TLDR: Onkyo receiver sounds better than XMC 1. Everything is the same - speakers, cables, positions, amps. Run sweeps of the 2 towers with the Onkyo and the xmc-1 with REW and post.
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Post by hemster on Nov 23, 2017 19:55:40 GMT -5
Hi all,Ā Sorry to bump this thread from a year ago - but I am having the same exact issue with the XMC1. I tried to reach out to the OP directly, but never heard back. I can only assume he returned his XMC1.Ā I recently obtained my XMC1 and upgraded from an Onkyo TXNR828 which was used as a pre-amp going directly to an Emotiva XPA-3 amp. I've been slowly upgrading my system to Emotiva and was really excited about getting the XMC1, but I have to say that I am really disappointing by it. The sounds coming through my Energy Veritas V6.3 Towers and Energy V.5.1 Center channel sounds overly bright, harsh and somewhat empty / not full.Ā Some songs are un-listenable as it sounds way too bright or harsh - especially acoustic tracks or vocal signers with high voices. The way I would describe it is exactly as the OP did. DIRAC appears to only make this problem even more noticeable, with the sound appearing even more "empty" and bright. DIRAC appears to drop off the little bit of bass that was already there. It sounds so unnatural that I took out the mid-range driver from one of the towers to test the speaker and look at the internal crossover. Of course, the speakers checked out fine. I've waited a month to post because I wanted to make sure I tried it all before reaching out on here.Ā I've factory reset the unit several times, checked every setting I can think of and running DIRAC multiple times - but today I plugged in my old Okyo Receiver and instantly remembered how punchy, warm and full these towers are meant to sound.Ā Can someone please help? Speakers: Energy Veritas V6.3 towers Fronts, Energy Veritas V5.1 Center, Energy Veritas Cieling speakers for rear surrounds, Klipsh 12W Subwoofer Amps: Emotiva XPA-3 for front three speakers. BassX 700x for reach two channels Processor: Emotiva XMC1 Old Processor: Onkyo TX-NR828 TLDR: Onkyo receiver sounds better than XMC 1. Everything is the same - speakers, cables, positions, amps.Ā Careful, you are likely to be hog tied by saying that the XMC1 doesn't sound good to you. Tread lightly. Presumably you have proof that this happens? Or is it just hogwash? There have been many posts here from people saying the XMC-1 or whatever other Emotiva component didn't suit them. They also post that they find solace in other brands. Nobody gets "hog-tied" for their opinions - as long as they are civil and cordial. I hope the OP finds audio nirvana in whatever brand he ends up with. That said, it is possible that something isn't set up right that could be the causative factor.
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Post by geebo on Nov 23, 2017 20:22:38 GMT -5
Hi all, Sorry to bump this thread from a year ago - but I am having the same exact issue with the XMC1. I tried to reach out to the OP directly, but never heard back. I can only assume he returned his XMC1. I recently obtained my XMC1 and upgraded from an Onkyo TXNR828 which was used as a pre-amp going directly to an Emotiva XPA-3 amp. I've been slowly upgrading my system to Emotiva and was really excited about getting the XMC1, but I have to say that I am really disappointing by it. The sounds coming through my Energy Veritas V6.3 Towers and Energy V.5.1 Center channel sounds overly bright, harsh and somewhat empty / not full. Some songs are un-listenable as it sounds way too bright or harsh - especially acoustic tracks or vocal signers with high voices. The way I would describe it is exactly as the OP did. DIRAC appears to only make this problem even more noticeable, with the sound appearing even more "empty" and bright. DIRAC appears to drop off the little bit of bass that was already there. It sounds so unnatural that I took out the mid-range driver from one of the towers to test the speaker and look at the internal crossover. Of course, the speakers checked out fine. I've waited a month to post because I wanted to make sure I tried it all before reaching out on here. I've factory reset the unit several times, checked every setting I can think of and running DIRAC multiple times - but today I plugged in my old Okyo Receiver and instantly remembered how punchy, warm and full these towers are meant to sound. Can someone please help? Speakers: Energy Veritas V6.3 towers Fronts, Energy Veritas V5.1 Center, Energy Veritas Cieling speakers for rear surrounds, Klipsh 12W Subwoofer Amps: Emotiva XPA-3 for front three speakers. BassX 700x for reach two channels Processor: Emotiva XMC1 Old Processor: Onkyo TX-NR828 TLDR: Onkyo receiver sounds better than XMC 1. Everything is the same - speakers, cables, positions, amps. Run sweeps of the 2 towers with the Onkyo and the xmc-1 with REW and post. Or just take screen shots of the Dirac traces before correction.
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Post by adaboy on Nov 23, 2017 21:08:08 GMT -5
Careful, you are likely to be hog tied by saying that the XMC1 doesn't sound good to you. Tread lightly. Presumably you have proof that this happens? Or is it just hogwash? There have been many posts here from people saying the XMC-1 or whatever other Emotiva component didn't suit them. They also post that they find solace in other brands. Nobody gets "hog-tied" for their opinions - as long as they are civil and cordial. I hope the OP finds audio nirvana in whatever brand he ends up with. That said, it is possible that something isn't set up right that could be the causative factor. Come on professor! You took that literallyš. But you can agree that past conversations here about better imo processors out there, and when discussed the wolf pack comes out to say nothing beats the sound quality of the XMC1. I don't think it necessary for me to go get examples as you have read them yourself. I've heard it isn't the best or even close, does it sound good? Yes in certain ways. Bright not full. Should be able to have negative product reviews, feelings, thoughts, beliefs if one so chooses as it's appropriate for the positive ones. Emotiva's processors are suspect and need to go away. The amps, dacs, and other things are what made Emotiva.
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Post by foggy1956 on Nov 23, 2017 21:28:00 GMT -5
Run sweeps of the 2 towers with the Onkyo and the xmc-1 with REW and post. Or just take screen shots of the Dirac traces before correction. Tough to do a comparison with the dirac traces as I don't believe the Onkyo will do that for us?
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Post by geebo on Nov 23, 2017 21:34:26 GMT -5
Or just take screen shots of the Dirac traces before correction. Tough to do a comparison with the dirac traces as I don't believe the Onkyo will do that for us? I'd be curious to see the Dirac traces the OP ran using the XMC. That could tell us a few things. Having REW traces from the Onkyo for a comparison could also be helpful.
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Post by creimes on Nov 23, 2017 21:39:56 GMT -5
Hey Chris,
I have a buddy that runs the same speakers you do and personally I have always found them a bit harsh in the upper end, but he likes it really really loud but still I have never personally enjoyed the sound of his speakers, we ran Dirac for the first time about 5 months ago and to both of us it did tame the highs to not being so bright and hard on the ears, it could just be bad synergy between the XMC-1 and those speakers but I can't say for sure. I've owned the XMC-1 and running it into my Chane A5rx-c towers was just outstanding in terms of sound quality.
If you are able to post screenshots of the Dirac results that would be great to help identify to others here.
Chad
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Post by geebo on Nov 23, 2017 21:58:51 GMT -5
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Post by goozoo on Nov 23, 2017 22:42:38 GMT -5
Couple of thoughts. Put the XMC-1 into Reference mode for the input and put in your favorite track. Then compare it with the sound of your Onkyo. If you like the Onkyo better, then the solution is simple....return the XMC-1. Sometimes a new component is not necessarily better just because it is newer.
FYI, the OP of the thread was used to the sound of the Theta (Casablanca?) which sounds MUCH different than the XMC-1. Having 2 of the Theta Dreadnaught II amps currently, it has taken a lot of manual EQ to balance out the sound on my XMC-1.
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Post by Lsc on Nov 25, 2017 9:37:52 GMT -5
If after running Dirac the sound is thin, then try running Dirac again using these guidelines. Position the mic so itās higher than ear level where all the speakers can āseeā the mic. Also, keep the measurement points tighter- donāt go from from end of the couch to the other. Stay inside the middle 6 feet range.
I found Reference Stereo a touch bright in my setup bc my room was not treated very well. Dirac helped calm it down.
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 25, 2017 9:56:52 GMT -5
Perhaps run Dirac and hear the results.
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Post by geebo on Nov 25, 2017 9:59:07 GMT -5
Many people also find the default mic calibration file produces a thin overall sound. Using one of the cal files from ansat might make you happy. Many here have also gotten the full version of Dirac and went with a UMIK-1 calibrated mic from Cross Spectrum or MiniDSP. The Full version of Dirac opens up a lot of adjustability for you. But you might want to start with with one of those alternate cal files and see what you think.
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 25, 2017 11:40:07 GMT -5
āEmotiva's processors are suspect and need to go away. ā I agree totally....that piece of junk goes on EBAY Monday. Bill
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Post by geebo on Nov 25, 2017 12:01:33 GMT -5
I agree totally....that piece of junk goes on EBAY Monday. Bill I think you may have gotten a quote or two mixed up there, Bill. Hemster never said what it appears was quoted in your post. It was adaboy.
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 25, 2017 12:26:09 GMT -5
I think you may have gotten a quote or two mixed up there, Bill. Hemster never said what it appears was quoted in your post. It was adaboy. Youāre right Geebo.... I know who spoke and I did a lousy quote edit. Iāll try and fix while I wait on my favorite satirists to jump in! Bill Ps....mission accomplished!
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Post by adaboy on Nov 25, 2017 23:51:52 GMT -5
I think you may have gotten a quote or two mixed up there, Bill. Hemster never said what it appears was quoted in your post. It was adaboy. Youāre right Geebo.... I know who spoke and I did a lousy quote edit. Iāll try and fix while I wait on my favorite satirists to jump in! Bill Ps....mission accomplished! I got a good laugh out of it š¤£š¤£š¤£
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