|
|
Post by skiman1 on Sept 11, 2018 14:27:13 GMT -5
OK.... that question makes more sense.
Unfortunately, at this time, I have no specific information about what expansion modules we're going to offer, or what their exact capabilities will be. (You can bet that will be affected by which features the most people ask for.  ) I’m also interested in this, I’d start with passive bi-amp to learn the capabilities. Then if all seems clean, no unwanted power on/off noises I might try it as an active crossover. What’s still unclear, and I don’t see mention on the product page, is whether the bi-amp / crossover feature is part of the basic RMC-1, or it requires an expansion module. Dan mentioned it when describing the 4 channel module, so it’s not clear where the capability lies. KeithL , can you clarify whether unused channels in an un-expanded RMC-1 can be configured for passive or active bi/tri/multi amp mode? I thought one of the $699 expansion modules could be used for 4 separate subwoofers. And please consider this one of the 'features' I'm asking for. |
|
|
|
Post by davidl81 on Sept 11, 2018 14:29:26 GMT -5
... Also an iOS app for the RMC would be amazing. It would be perfect to control everything from outside. This is what I do with my current Marantz as I can control everything from my phone on my patio. From the wording on the product page I'd assume we'll get at least what features are now in the XMC-1 iOS App, that includes Z2 volume. I often use the XMC App when outdoors to control the volume of all my outdoor Zones (separate Zone amp fed by Z2). If there was a Zone 3, there would probably be a way to control it via the app, but I did say 'assume' and 'probably')  Yeah that's all I need from an app. Just simple volume and input controls for Zone 2 etc. |
|
|
|
Post by craigl59 on Sept 11, 2018 14:51:29 GMT -5
That’s why I thought a Darbee or even oppo type of deal like they’ve done with Dirac or Dolby where they break ground together. Even lumagen. Like where Emotiva can pocket a cut and have a company like lumagen or what not do the lifting with fair share of profit. But I understand it’s not their strength as a company so I probably would be better off waiting for someone else to fill that gap where you place it inbetween your source or RMC-1 to the projector/tv. Can think of 3 reasons why a Darbee option would be appealing: 1. Oppo is gone now and those of us that use their Darbee units will require a substitute when these die 2. Those of us who are plasma based are finding that these last forever and, so, there is no need to upgrade to 4k when Darbee looks just as good (or better...) 3. The separate Darbee unit causes all sorts of architectural complexity most of us would prefer to handle in the software realm of another unit |
|
|
|
Post by Gary Cook on Sept 11, 2018 15:07:31 GMT -5
That’s why I thought a Darbee or even oppo type of deal like they’ve done with Dirac or Dolby where they break ground together. Even lumagen. Like where Emotiva can pocket a cut and have a company like lumagen or what not do the lifting with fair share of profit. But I understand it’s not their strength as a company so I probably would be better off waiting for someone else to fill that gap where you place it inbetween your source or RMC-1 to the projector/tv. Can think of 3 reasons why a Darbee option would be appealing: 1. Oppo is gone now and those of us that use their Darbee units will require a substitute when these die 2. Those of us who are plasma based are finding that these last forever and, so, there is no need to upgrade to 4k when Darbee looks just as good (or better...) 3. The separate Darbee unit causes all sorts of architectural complexity most of us would prefer to handle in the software realm of another unit Emotiva isn’t a “video” company, they are an “audio” company, even a relatively simple 4K pass through board is hard for them. We should let them stick to what they do best, sound, and leave the video to the video specialists. Cheers Gary |
|
|
|
Post by lrobertson on Sept 11, 2018 15:56:07 GMT -5
I don’t see what downsides there would be with utilizing only minidsp Dirac solutions for subs. Not to take away from Emotiva on this but ddrc-24 can achieve 9.4.6 for 500 and you could stick with the RMC-2. Even the ddrc 88bm can handle 9.8.6 for only 1.1k and doesn’t eat up the processing if paired with a RMC-1. Getting an RMC-1 for only the ability to add a Dirac controlled 4 sub module actually will cost 1400 more than utilizing a RMC-2 with ddrc-24 but you’ll get that additional 1 sub channel for 9.5.6. The strength of the additional modules to me seems to be primarily for Atmos channels. I’m disappointed I might even have to eat up a RMC single channel for lfe when with these Dirac minidsp’s you can pull what they need and manage bass from say a full output unbalanced stereo out if it mirrored volume control with the main zone. I’d rather relocate the balanced sub channel to a center rear. The only thing that might not work properly from my understanding is Dirac unison if it’s ever upgraded into these pre pros. I’m all ears if I have this wrong.
|
|
|
|
Post by mgbpuff on Sept 11, 2018 16:17:30 GMT -5
That’s why I thought a Darbee or even oppo type of deal like they’ve done with Dirac or Dolby where they break ground together. Even lumagen. Like where Emotiva can pocket a cut and have a company like lumagen or what not do the lifting with fair share of profit. But I understand it’s not their strength as a company so I probably would be better off waiting for someone else to fill that gap where you place it inbetween your source or RMC-1 to the projector/tv. Can think of 3 reasons why a Darbee option would be appealing: 1. Oppo is gone now and those of us that use their Darbee units will require a substitute when these die 2. Those of us who are plasma based are finding that these last forever and, so, there is no need to upgrade to 4k when Darbee looks just as good (or better...) 3. The separate Darbee unit causes all sorts of architectural complexity most of us would prefer to handle in the software realm of another unit Get a grip - Darby has not developed a product that works with 4K or even with HDMI 2.0 for that matter. |
|
|
|
Post by lrobertson on Sept 11, 2018 16:19:59 GMT -5
We know this or at least I do. Darbee was said to be in development of 4k then went MIA after there was word they were handling hdr10. I assumed not hearing from them for a while meant they were abandoning it but if Emotiva inquired I’m sure they’d be the ones that would know more than all of us outside of nda’s. We’re talking anyways about new developments which no one should have a grip on yet. The only thing we could get a grip on at this point is external solutions already being offered. I have no need for an older Darbee version outside of the standalone units for my old kuro . I’d only want to see them develop a 4k hdr compatible version and I could use a good a-lens scaler and tone mapper if it beats the oppo. We are just mentioning what we can use if it ever made sense to develop.
|
|
|
|
Post by mgbpuff on Sept 11, 2018 16:30:17 GMT -5
We know this or at least I do. Darbee was said to be in development of 4k then went MIA after there was word they were handling hdr10. I assumed not hearing from them for a while meant they were abandoning it but if Emotiva inquired I’m sure they’d be the ones that would know more than all of us outside of nda’s. We’re talking anyways about new developments which no one should have a grip on yet. The only thing we could get a grip on at this point is external solutions already being offered. I have no need for an older Darbee version outside of the standalone units for my old kuro . I’d only want to see them develop a 4k hdr compatible version and I could use a good a lens scaler and tone mapper if it beats the oppo. We are just mentioning what we can use if it ever made sense to develop. Get a grip - This is an Emotiva blog, not a Darby Vision blog. 4k displays with WGC, HDR, or HDR10 or DV do not need this kind of processing. |
|
|
|
Post by lrobertson on Sept 11, 2018 16:31:27 GMT -5
How many RMC-1 will actually go to non projector rooms?? Assuming it’s a large percentage tells me you need to get a grip yourself. A little overkill if you’re going to a non dedicated room and your hostility towards the needs of the RMC-1’s intended home is strange. You’re allowed to read past a post that doesn’t relate to your needs without a remark. You if I’m not mistaken should make the RMC-2 thread considering you thought the 7.1.4 is all you would need I thought..
|
|
|
|
Post by mgbpuff on Sept 11, 2018 16:44:11 GMT -5
How many RMC-1 will actually go to non projector rooms?? Assuming it’s a large percentage tells me you need to get a grip yourself. A little overkill if you’re going to a non dedicated room and your hostility towards the needs of the RMC-1’s intended home is strange. You’re allowed to read past a post that doesn’t relate to your needs without a remark. You if I’m not mistaken should make the RMC-2 thread considering you thought the 7.1.4 is all you would need I thought.. I already have 9 ear level speakers and 6 ceiling speakers, so why would I be interested in the RMC-2? The RMC-1 is a forward looking product, not a backward looking one. O.K. they may give you and Bonzo a few backward looking expansion boards. |
|
|
|
Post by lrobertson on Sept 11, 2018 16:51:54 GMT -5
Could of sworn with all the Disney 7.1.4 pinned audio talk and the future of Atmos going all to 7.1.4 limits that meant you wouldn’t buy a 9.x.6 speaker setup. If I am mistaking you for someone else I apologize. You seemed to disregard anyone who wanted to move past 7.1.4 as in telling them to get a grip with those limits so now I am surprised. Good for you. I can only assume you have faith in Emotiva delivering on what they promised then. I don’t really care to argue about your needs for your system. I’ll respect them. Allow us to mention ours please. The RMC-1 has definitely entered into the projector niche market. I just wanted to mention there is a void and partnering with a company like lumagen might be able to fill it. If they didn’t want to partner with a company on something like that for an expansion I’d completely understand.
|
|
|
|
Post by creimes on Sept 11, 2018 20:21:14 GMT -5
|
|
Erwin.BE
Emo VIPs 
It's the room, stupid!
Posts: 2,269
|
Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 12, 2018 2:58:19 GMT -5
I don’t see what downsides there would be with utilizing only minidsp Dirac solutions for subs. Not to take away from Emotiva on this but ddrc-24 can achieve 9.4.6 for 500 and you could stick with the RMC-2. Even the ddrc 88bm can handle 9.8.6 for only 1.1k and doesn’t eat up the processing if paired with a RMC-1. Getting an RMC-1 for only the ability to add a Dirac controlled 4 sub module actually will cost 1400 more than utilizing a RMC-2 with ddrc-24 but you’ll get that additional 1 sub channel for 9.5.6. The strength of the additional modules to me seems to be primarily for Atmos channels. I’m disappointed I might even have to eat up a RMC single channel for lfe when with these Dirac minidsp’s you can pull what they need and manage bass from say a full output unbalanced stereo out if it mirrored volume control with the main zone. I’d rather relocate the balanced sub channel to a center rear. The only thing that might not work properly from my understanding is Dirac unison if it’s ever upgraded into these pre pros. I’m all ears if I have this wrong. Good points... In the end, I think I will probably opt for the RMC-1 over the non-expandable RMC-2 to be ready to add 4 more Top+Height channels. 3 good subs will be plenty for me (2 front L/R position and 1 rear center position). Otherwise I might sum both front subs in one output, skip rear sub and Front Height and run as 9.1.6 so the RMC-2 would do... I must say though that I find the price gap between RMC-1 and RMC-2 enormous... Is there different processor capability on board of the RMC-1 to deal with the expansion modules? |
|
|
|
Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 12, 2018 3:26:53 GMT -5
... I must say though that I find the price gap between RMC-1 and RMC-2 enormous... Is there different processor capability on board of the RMC-1 to deal with the expansion modules? Hair Nick implied there were some internal differences here, but no real details emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/958735/thread |
|
|
|
Post by deewan on Sept 12, 2018 8:50:01 GMT -5
Any chance of a Zone 3 output on the RMC-1? I know it is a super specific request but for my outdoor set up I really enjoy the way I can control the volume for my patio speakers separately from my speakers that play towards the pool. I don't really need difference sources per say, just a way to control the volume levels independently of one another. Also an iOS app for the RMC would be amazing. It would be perfect to control everything from outside. This is what I do with my current Marantz as I can control everything from my phone on my patio. Is there a reason to ask for features in the RMC when devices like Sonos exist? Sonos would allow you to use analog outputs from sources like CD player, TV audio output a FM tuner, as well as playing music from your tablet, computer, phone or internet source. All controlled independent or synced together and the system is expandable past two or three zones. Sonos also already have a solid iOS app that allows you to control each zone from a mobile device or even your voice using Amazon's Alexa. Personally, I don't understand the desire to use an AVR or processor for whole home audio distribution when better and more flexible products exist and likely at a much lower cost. Unless a fully balanced audio system with it's superior sound is needed by the pool. In which case I'll shut up. |
|
|
|
Post by rbk123 on Sept 12, 2018 9:18:48 GMT -5
Unless a fully balanced audio system with it's superior sound is needed by the pool. In which case I'll shut up. Same for needing fully balanced on any of the surround channels; like anyone would be able to hear a difference. |
|
|
|
Post by davidl81 on Sept 12, 2018 9:51:52 GMT -5
Any chance of a Zone 3 output on the RMC-1? I know it is a super specific request but for my outdoor set up I really enjoy the way I can control the volume for my patio speakers separately from my speakers that play towards the pool. I don't really need difference sources per say, just a way to control the volume levels independently of one another. Also an iOS app for the RMC would be amazing. It would be perfect to control everything from outside. This is what I do with my current Marantz as I can control everything from my phone on my patio. Is there a reason to ask for features in the RMC when devices like Sonos exist? Sonos would allow you to use analog outputs from sources like CD player, TV audio output a FM tuner, as well as playing music from your tablet, computer, phone or internet source. All controlled independent or synced together and the system is expandable past two or three zones. Sonos also already have a solid iOS app that allows you to control each zone from a mobile device or even your voice using Amazon's Alexa. Personally, I don't understand the desire to use an AVR or processor for whole home audio distribution when better and more flexible products exist and likely at a much lower cost. Unless a fully balanced audio system with it's superior sound is needed by the pool. In which case I'll shut up. It has nothing to do with the fully balanced, and much more to do with the location of my equipment. Right now I have a A-700 doing some of my Atmos channels, and the other channels supporting my outdoor speakers. I am able to use my Marantz to control all of my zones. And since all of my input devices are already attached to my processor it just makes sense to go this way, I find adding a sonos actually would in a way complicate things since it would just be another system to install and manage that would be separate from the media room setup. I am sure there are some advantages in a Sonos system as well, but I was just asking if there would be a way for the RMC to have that same function that the Marantz has with the multiple zones. |
|
|
|
Post by davidl81 on Sept 12, 2018 9:53:28 GMT -5
Unless a fully balanced audio system with it's superior sound is needed by the pool. In which case I'll shut up. Same for needing fully balanced on any of the surround channels; like anyone would be able to hear a difference. That is a valid point. IMO having the balanced surround channels is almost just for bragging rights. I can't think that anyone in a blind test would ever be able to tell a difference. |
|
|
|
Post by rbk123 on Sept 12, 2018 10:20:22 GMT -5
That is a valid point. IMO having the balanced surround channels is almost just for bragging rights. I can't think that anyone in a blind test would ever be able to tell a difference. Yep. The only time it could make a potential difference is if you had powered surrounds, or you located your surround amps near the speakers. Long noise-canceling XLR's would be of value. |
|
|
|
Post by deewan on Sept 12, 2018 10:45:26 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with the fully balanced, and much more to do with the location of my equipment. Right now I have a A-700 doing some of my Atmos channels, and the other channels supporting my outdoor speakers. I am able to use my Marantz to control all of my zones. And since all of my input devices are already attached to my processor it just makes sense to go this way, I find adding a sonos actually would in a way complicate things since it would just be another system to install and manage that would be separate from the media room setup. I am sure there are some advantages in a Sonos system as well, but I was just asking if there would be a way for the RMC to have that same function that the Marantz has with the multiple zones. Perhaps I didn't make it clear with my smiley face. My balanced pool system comment was a joke as I can't think of any reason why it would be beneficial and add to the reason why there are better tools for zones than the RMC and the app. My comments about the Sonos system comes from a personal story. I have the Sonos system and love it. All hidden away in a storage closet and complete control by phone, tablet, or voice (Alexa). I had a "friend" who wanted to use his Marantz AVR for his Zone 2 patio area. I suggested Sonos for all the reasons I listed above. He insisted on using the Marantz. He purchased a used UPA-200 amp to power the speakers. Day 1 of using the system he didn't like that he could turn on the system using the Marantz app but he could not get the app to start playing a CD. So he had to run downstairs to push play. His solution was to purchase a cheap universal remote control and an IR repeater system and programmed the remote to the CD player. Now he can start playing songs or skip tracks, but he is using an app to power on and control volume and a remote to control music selection. He also complains because when playing a compilation disc, he cannot see the list of song on his remote or app. Issues that do not exist with a Sonos system. Now he wants to add speakers in his garage. He is buying another amp and y-adapter to split the signal and another remote for the garage with another IR repeater system. All this gear so he can have the same control a Sonos system gives him. If you did something similar with the RMC-1 you can use the extra channels of your amp and the Emo app to control your RMC, but I'm guessing you would run into the same source device issue. I don't believe the Emo app shows you track information like artist, song title, etc, unless those things are available when using the RMC to stream from your network. I feel the Sonos system is a better tool for the job. I can't think of any situation where the Zone 2 and/or Zone 3 system would be as easy to use or as flexible as an audio distribution system like Sonos or the offerings from Paradigm or Denon. I don't understand your want to use existing amp channels, but I think it's a disadvantage to use the RMC zone for anything other than feeding the same source to an adjoining room or lobby. In my last home my zone two ran a pair of speakers in the bathroom... for those times you have to visit the restroom but don't want to miss out on the (audio of) of the game. |
|
)
