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Post by rhale64 on Nov 20, 2016 9:01:54 GMT -5
Ok gotcha. That would be one expensive processor having one of those for each channel. But hey if they would do that I wouldn't mind. 😆
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Post by Casey Leedom on Nov 20, 2016 14:32:59 GMT -5
I think that we can be assured that the RMC-1 will be "expensive". Start with the XMC-1 price and go up. But, that's what we're paying for and certainly what I personally want, so I'm cool with whatever the price increase is ... up to a certain limit of course! I won't throw a guess down on the premium it will command because A. I have no idea how to cost out equipment like this, and B. I trust Emotive to calculate a fair profit for the company and its staff.
Now we just have to wait till CES 2017 to see what the RMC-1 will really contain ... But that January 5-8, 2017 so it's not really such a long wait.
Casey
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Post by yves on Nov 20, 2016 14:54:57 GMT -5
Ok gotcha. That would be one expensive processor having one of those for each channel. But hey if they would do that I wouldn't mind. 😆 Well, I certainly agree about the cost, but in stereo mode it still also can achieve reference quality performance so 8 chips for a total of 16 channels would get my vote. IMO that would be a better choice than the AKM 4497 because in fact the old ES9018 already also outperforms the AKM anyway in the first place, so... |
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 20, 2016 15:48:20 GMT -5
The NEW 4497 Akm dac is much better than the 9018 ess dac
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Post by monkumonku on Nov 20, 2016 16:31:12 GMT -5
The NEW 4497 Akm dac is much better than the 9018 ess dac In what way? |
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Post by qdtjni on Nov 20, 2016 17:21:15 GMT -5
The NEW 4497 Akm dac is much better than the 9018 ess dac In what way? It supports twice as high sampling rate and have lower SNR for some applications. Although, the differences should be more or less just theoretical for the end result. |
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 20, 2016 17:45:05 GMT -5
And it does DSD up to 512 without conversion. The Ess dac converts. The AKM does DSD direct without conversion.
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Post by tngiloy on Nov 20, 2016 19:11:00 GMT -5
For those of us (me) who aren't interested in Atmos and are happy with 7.2 surround is there going to be an upgrade to the XMC-1 ??
I know about the HDMI boards to upgrade the XMC-1, but is there going to be an XMC-2 with Dirac Unison and a Dirac upgrade that handles multiple subs and works at 96khz, etc...
Or is it the RMC-1 only.
I realize I'm asking for Emotiva to build a processor for me, but I don't need 16 channels.
If the RMC-1 is it then I will certainly consider it, but if there is a XMC-2 in the works it would meet my needs better. Just asking,
Tom
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Post by klinemj on Nov 20, 2016 19:31:51 GMT -5
For those of us (me) who aren't interested in Atmos and are happy with 7.2 surround is there going to be an upgrade to the XMC-1 ?? I know about the HDMI boards to upgrade the XMC-1, but is there going to be an XMC-2 with Dirac Unison and a Dirac upgrade that handles multiple subs and works at 96khz, etc... Or is it the RMC-1 only. I realize I'm asking for Emotiva to build a processor for me, but I don't need 16 channels. If the RMC-1 is it then I will certainly consider it, but if there is a XMC-2 in the works it would meet my needs better. Just asking, Tom It is really too early to tell - unless they share something specific, it is just speculation. For me, I may go with an RMC-1 just for even better sound or some other usability aspect once I see what it offers. But, until it is here and I see what other options exist, I will be happy with my XMC-1. Mark |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Nov 20, 2016 19:45:54 GMT -5
Based on previous comments from Emotiva, particularly Keith, I think we can rule out any ESS DACs being used in the RMC. And, IMO any difference in RMC sound quality due to the DAC alone would be minuscule at best. Remember, the DAC is only one piece of the equation.
I believe in one of the podcasts Dan indicated that the price for the RMC would be $5k.
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 20, 2016 20:37:14 GMT -5
For those of us (me) who aren't interested in Atmos and are happy with 7.2 surround is there going to be an upgrade to the XMC-1 ?? I know about the HDMI boards to upgrade the XMC-1, but is there going to be an XMC-2 with Dirac Unison and a Dirac upgrade that handles multiple subs and works at 96khz, etc... Or is it the RMC-1 only. I realize I'm asking for Emotiva to build a processor for me, but I don't need 16 channels. If the RMC-1 is it then I will certainly consider it, but if there is a XMC-2 in the works it would meet my needs better. Just asking, Tom Dan had posted in a thread back in May 2016 about a few options that Emotiva hoped to offer in the upcoming XMC-1 Atmos/DTS:X upgrade. Below is the aforementioned post. Hi all, Happy to see all of the interest and excitement regarding the new upgrade path!  We're really excited and working hard to bring this out on time... now, don't laugh!! We're doing much better these days!! A couple of notes... 1. We will definitely work to get more than one Dirac preset for the XMC-1. 2. The new DSP engine will have enough H.P. to support Dirac Unison. We don't know all of the details regarding implementation and cost yet, but we'll keep you posted as we know. We'd like to be able to offer it as an option. 3. We'll have enough DSP oomph to do Dirac at 96k on the new engine. Again, we've got to do some negotiating with Dirac on the business side of this, but we'll certainly do our best to make it available. Stand by for advice as we get it. 4. There IS a 16 channel super AVP under development, concurrent with the updated XMC-1. We're not ready to release specific details yet, but you can probably guess the most obvious "must have" features for this baby. BTW, we do not make any meaningful profit on the DSP upgrade. It's EXPENSIVE!! But we're taking the long view on this side of the business and we're in it for keeps. We're going to do some amazing stuff in the next year or so. We've hit our stride, so to speak. So, hang on!! Thanks for the support and keeping faith! More to come soon. Cheers, Big Dan |
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Post by stephen on Nov 21, 2016 5:44:18 GMT -5
For those of us (me) who aren't interested in Atmos and are happy with 7.2 surround is there going to be an upgrade to the XMC-1 ?? I know about the HDMI boards to upgrade the XMC-1, but is there going to be an XMC-2 with Dirac Unison and a Dirac upgrade that handles multiple subs and works at 96khz, etc... Or is it the RMC-1 only. I realize I'm asking for Emotiva to build a processor for me, but I don't need 16 channels. If the RMC-1 is it then I will certainly consider it, but if there is a XMC-2 in the works it would meet my needs better. Just asking, Tom Great idea! I'll put in my small request for an HD FM radio tuner. |
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 21, 2016 5:53:18 GMT -5
And I will for MQA!!
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 21, 2016 10:00:00 GMT -5
I certainly like your post bonzo. I have an Oppo 105 and love it for mc music. I would also like to see 7.1 analog unbalanced outs for amps with no balanced inputs. Well unfortunately that makes only 2 of us, and I apologize now for being very cynical about it. I'm sorry if I brought you down to my lowly level in this thread, but no one else appears to feel the same way. On the contrary, don't be surprised if you get called out on the table for being antiquated, old fashioned, out of touch, feeble, or for pity sake ---- an @$$ for agreeing with me. Nobody else here seems to think an "end all of processors" should be everything, they just want top of the line "some things." For them it needs lots of fully balanced channels, Dirac Unison (of which I don't recall seeing any confirmation one way or another so some people may be waiting for nothing), 8 HDMI inputs, one balanced input, and sound good. Done deal. So the way I see it, from the XMC-1, it's a step up in some area's, and a step backwards in others. Plain and simple; because regardless of why, that's exactly what it currently is, and nobody can argue that. And just as plain and simple, as I've said many times, I just feel that's not the way it should be. JMHO. So I thought the idea of a beefed up "seamless" exterior module might be a good compromise that others might like (Emotiva already has an analog module but it lacks video, HDMI, and the seamless factor), and since the XMR-1 is still very much in development, an integration/implementation that might be doable/feasible. (Only Emotiva could answer that, but as of now we've gotten nothing as to whether they've even given it a thought). I guess the over all idea was to help save money on the "basic" XMR-1 for the people who love it being minimalistic, but then also give the people that want it all the opportunity to make it that way with seamless integration. But alas, I guess it wasn't a good thought. So for me, I'll be sticking with the XMC-1 Gen 3 (or quite possibly going elsewhere) when the time comes to upgrade. As it is, the RMC-1 is just not for me, plain and simple. |
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Post by cwt on Nov 21, 2016 11:17:14 GMT -5
Somehow I think that dirac unison and processing for things like MQA are inextricably linked to the extra dsp processing power retrofitted in the XMC1's digital pcb for atmos/dts-x . So unless Emo produces another pcb board for 7.2 only [ without the rerouting of the zone pre outs ] I have doubts . Hope Ime wrong though as that would be a unique offering As Dan said what may be an option for the XMC1 in unison I would list as a confident ''must have'' guess for the RMC1  I know that some think the price is a bit much but agree with Casey ; when you consider the other pre pro with balanced input to output circuitry the outmoded denon avp a1hd was 000's more ; not including inflation.. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Nov 21, 2016 11:25:05 GMT -5
I think the other thing you're fighting is simply standard ROI/(NRE+COGS) issues: there won't be enough Premium High-End Preprocessor customers wanting S-Video, Composite Video, Component Video, Unbalanced Audio, etc. to justify the cost of putting it in and driving the cost even higher. Emotiva seems to be trying to produce a Very High-End Preprocessor but keep the price down where the non-Über-Rich mortals can afford it, and produce the biggest bang for the buck possible. A "Legacy I/O" box of some sort might be useful, but I'm wondering how many people would want it to justify the ROI/(NRE+COGS) realities. You might be better going with something like the Marantz AV8802A which has a lot of those legacy inputs. Casey |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 21, 2016 12:55:43 GMT -5
Two things that have been suggested here that seem reasonable and within the ground rules Dan has laid out (no legacy video) are, a Fixed Analog Tape Out (useful for needle drops via an external DAC, and other analog recording, even driving an external system), and HD Radio (if it's going to have FM, at this level it should do HD).
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Post by KeithL on Nov 21, 2016 15:35:31 GMT -5
Dirac Unison is "a definite possibility".... However, it isn't even available yet, and it's not certain what benefits it will actually offer in a home audio environment. However, we are definitely staying on top of it, and will be evaluating adding it. As for MQA, it really depends on whether it "catches on" or not. MQA shows great promise as a streaming format (as a CODEC to be used by your favorite streaming audio app). However, there are significant licensing and development costs associated with putting the capability into a product. And, to be totally honest, it's not clear that there will ever be enough content, or enough interest, to make it worth the bother. I'd have to say that so far not a single new album I would be willing to pay for, or an old favorite that I'd be willing to buy again, has come out in MQA. (So the question of whether they would sound better if they existed is still sort of moot.) IF MQA becomes a popular format, then we'll certainly consider adding it Somehow I think that dirac unison and processing for things like MQA are inextricably linked to the extra dsp processing power retrofitted in the XMC1's digital pcb for atmos/dts-x . So unless Emo produces another pcb board for 7.2 only [ without the rerouting of the zone pre outs ] I have doubts . Hope Ime wrong though as that would be a unique offering As Dan said what may be an option for the XMC1 in unison I would list as a confident ''must have'' guess for the RMC1 I know that some think the price is a bit much but agree with Casey ; when you consider the other pre pro with balanced input to output circuitry the outmoded denon avp a1hd was 000's more ; not including inflation.. |
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 21, 2016 16:09:33 GMT -5
Keith that is all I wanted to know. Thank you
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Post by audiosyndrome on Nov 21, 2016 19:25:21 GMT -5
I think the other thing you're fighting is simply standard ROI/(NRE+COGS) issues: Casey COGS?? It would help if you would spell out unfamiliar acronyms. I know the other two; others may not. Russ |
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