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Post by cwt on Nov 23, 2016 12:12:24 GMT -5
So what are the essential differences between the XMC-1 and the RMC-1 going to be? Will they simply lie in the superior number of channels (on the RMC-1), or will there be more to it than that? I am asking because, given my own circumstances, I do not think I am going to need the 16-channels of the RMC-1... Even if I were to decide to go the full ATMOS/DTS-X route, the 7.2.4 array of the upgraded XMC-1 will work just fine for me, and any extra channels would appear to be superfluous at this time. Two things are a factor to me ; do you need full multichannel input to output circuitry with the RMC1 or is single ended multichannel to balanced out with balanced 2ch throughput ie the XMC1 sufficient ? That is already better than most upmarket pre pro's out there .. The 2nd factor is any unison integration if it eventuates ; more speakers may be more effective to smooth those waterfall charts timing delays :)Before you hit it with dirac .Its a bit early to make a firm judgement imo theres too many factors like the inevitable [ugh] hdmi situation to address  Reminds me tangentially ;could you imagine plonking a few; s-video etc component analog in the chassis with decent transcoding circuitry to hdmi output and then see how that would gel with different types of HDR metadata trying to piggyback with the ever greater bandwidth signals we deal with today. A good clean passthrough like the xmc1 has makes it relatively easy to upgrade with each iteration ; not so much with extra transcoding that has to tie in with the hdmi iteration I imagine . |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 23, 2016 12:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by sahmen on Nov 23, 2016 15:29:56 GMT -5
So what are the essential differences between the XMC-1 and the RMC-1 going to be? Will they simply lie in the superior number of channels (on the RMC-1), or will there be more to it than that? I am asking because, given my own circumstances, I do not think I am going to need the 16-channels of the RMC-1... Even if I were to decide to go the full ATMOS/DTS-X route, the 7.2.4 array of the upgraded XMC-1 will work just fine for me, and any extra channels would appear to be superfluous at this time. Two things are a factor to me ; do you need full multichannel input to output circuitry with the RMC1 or is single ended multichannel to balanced out with balanced 2ch throughput ie the XMC1 sufficient ? That is already better than most upmarket pre pro's out there .. The 2nd factor is any unison integration if it eventuates ; more speakers may be more effective to smooth those waterfall charts timing delays :)Before you hit it with dirac .Its a bit early to make a firm judgement imo theres too many factors like the inevitable [ugh] hdmi situation to address Reminds me tangentially ;could you imagine plonking a few; s-video etc component analog in the chassis with decent transcoding circuitry to hdmi output and then see how that would gel with different types of HDR metadata trying to piggyback with the ever greater bandwidth signals we deal with today. A good clean passthrough like the xmc1 has makes it relatively easy to upgrade with each iteration ; not so much with extra transcoding that has to tie in with the hdmi iteration I imagine . True : it's still "early days" yet in the game, and there are still too many moving parts (hence, uncertainties) on both sides of the XMC-1/RMC-1 divide (but especially unknown X-factors in the eventual final constitution of the RMC-1) to enable a rock solid appreciation of what the technical differences between the two units might turn out to be. I suppose the appearance of the graphic of the RMC-1's output board, a few pages back, mislead me into thinking there was more knowledge out in the open--more than there actually is--about its concrete feature set and technical properties. I am sort of jumping the gun here out of impatience, but the waiting can get unbearable for some of us sometimes (hence the irony of the "early days" comment  ). |
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Post by junchoon on Nov 23, 2016 18:37:25 GMT -5
Just add a port or two to connect to external I/Os. This has been done before. Check out theta Casablanca w six shooter
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Post by cwt on Nov 24, 2016 0:10:21 GMT -5
I suppose the appearance of the graphic of the RMC-1's output board, a few pages back, mislead me into thinking there was more knowledge out in the open--more than there actually is--about its concrete feature set and technical properties. I am sort of jumping the gun here out of impatience, but the waiting can get unbearable for some of us sometimes (hence the irony of the "early days" comment ). Its hard to take isn't it ; a drip feed of info is better than none I keep telling myself ; when we see the main digital pcb that will be a good sign for development |
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Post by Loop 7 on Nov 24, 2016 0:33:00 GMT -5
I think that we can be assured that the RMC-1 will be "expensive". My money says this processor will threaten flagship products from Anthem, Bryston, Krell, NAD, Theta and others because I just don't see Emotiva pricing it above $5,000. |
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Post by Lsc on Nov 24, 2016 19:50:25 GMT -5
I think that we can be assured that the RMC-1 will be "expensive". My money says this processor will threaten flagship products from Anthem, Bryston, Krell, NAD, Theta and others because I just don't see Emotiva pricing it above $5,000. As we have seen with the XMC-1 and other Emotiva products, I'm sure this will be a great value even at $5000 but there is a market for the other high end products as well. They seem to be selling just fine for example despite the XMC-1 being the value that it is. |
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Post by tngiloy on Nov 25, 2016 9:56:21 GMT -5
Thanksgiving reminded me that I haven't thanked you all for your answers. Thanks!!
The upgraded XMC-1 sounds perfect for my needs, should it ever come to fruition. Will be interesting to see if Unison starts being used in HT, and what it adds.
If XMC-2 (or whatever they plan to name it) happens, how will it work?
Do I send in my XMC-1 for upgrade? Would a few part swaps add all the additional improvements?
Do I trade in or sell my XMC-1 and buy a new XMC-2? Is it too much different to just upgrade? What is Emotiva's trade in policy?
I know its way too early to know if the XMC-2 will even happen, but wondering if those of you who work at Emotiva can explain how the upgrade will work for an XMC-1 owner.
Thanks again,
Tom
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Post by deewan on Nov 25, 2016 11:13:12 GMT -5
Tom, the XMC-1 upgrades do require you to send your XMC back to Emotiva for work. They will swap out boards, dependent on what upgrade you want. I believe they are referring to the XMC via Generation. So XMC-1 Gen 1 is the setup released over a year ago. Gen 2 I believe is the upgraded HDMI board and Gen 3 will be the Atmos upgrade.
These upgrades are happening for the XMC. This thread is for the higher performing reference series processor.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 26, 2016 0:05:11 GMT -5
Tom, the XMC-1 upgrades do require you to send your XMC back to Emotiva for work. They will swap out boards, dependent on what upgrade you want. I believe they are referring to the XMC via Generation. So XMC-1 Gen 1 is the setup released over a year ago. Gen 2 I believe is the upgraded HDMI board and Gen 3 will be the Atmos upgrade. These upgrades are happening for the XMC. This thread is for the higher performing reference series processor. Actually the original XMC-1 is a Gen 2, mostly because of the cosmetics, which match other Gen 2 products. I don't know of any designation for the XMC-1 with the upgraded board (other than w/HDMI 2.0). The full Atmos/HDMI 2.x/HDCP 2.2 has been referred to as the Gen 3, but that hasn't been made official to my knowledge. |
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Post by deewan on Nov 26, 2016 8:26:12 GMT -5
Actually the original XMC-1 is a Gen 2, mostly because of the cosmetics, which match other Gen 2 products. I don't know of any designation for the XMC-1 with the upgraded board (other than w/HDMI 2.0). The full Atmos/HDMI 2.x/HDCP 2.2 has been referred to as the Gen 3, but that hasn't been made official to my knowledge. I agree the XMC-1 is a Gen 2 processor (thus being able to use the 40% off upgrade card), but I've seen many refer to the hdmi upgraded version as a Gen 2 XMC-1. Perhaps I am not completely correct on the generation label, the point I was trying to make is there is nothing being produced as the XMC-2 as the poster asked. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Nov 26, 2016 11:47:15 GMT -5
Hi kids,
Lets keep it simple..
XMC-1 even with all of its upgrades is a Gen 2 product. We have no intention of discontinuing it as long as there is demand for it. Not everyone cares about Atmos and DTS-X!!
The upcoming XMC-2 G3 will have 7.2.4 capability wth all outputs balanced. There will be other small additions too, but basically it's the same as the XMC-1 with a new main audio board. "Differential Reference" circuitry on the 3 main front channels! Upgraded DACs and DA conversion, etc, etc.
The RMC-1 G3 is the flagship AVP. 9.3.4 with all channels fully balanced. This unit has our "Differential Reference" audio path on all 16 channels! It uses the latest AKM 32 bit 768k AD's and DAC's. It's a monster. Everything is no holds barred. This is going to be the one to beat at ANY price.
There you go!
Peace out,
Big Dan
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Post by petew on Nov 26, 2016 12:18:03 GMT -5
Hi kids, Lets keep it simple.. ...The upcoming XMC-2 G3 will have 7.2.4 capability wth all outputs balanced.... Peace out, Big Dan I thought the overhead channels were using unbalanced zone outputs? |
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Post by sahmen on Nov 26, 2016 12:21:41 GMT -5
Hi kids, Lets keep it simple.. XMC-1 even with all of its upgrades is a Gen 2 product. We have no intention of discontinuing it as long as there is demand for it. Not everyone cares about Atmos and DTS-X!! The upcoming XMC-2 G3 will have 7.2.4 capability wth all outputs balanced. There will be other small additions too, but basically it's the same as the XMC-1 with a new main audio board. "Differential Reference" circuitry on the 3 main front channels! Upgraded DACs and DA conversion, etc, etc. The RMC-1 G3 is the flagship AVP. 9.3.4 with all channels fully balanced. This unit has our "Differential Reference" audio path on all 16 channels! It uses the latest AKM 32 bit 768k AD's and DAC's. It's a monster. Everything is no holds barred. This is going to be the one to beat at ANY price. There you go! Peace out, Big Dan Thanks for the update, Dan: One more question, if I may : What format or implementation of DIRAC is being envisaged for the XMC-2 G3 and the RMC-1 G3? |
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Post by cwt on Nov 26, 2016 12:43:46 GMT -5
Wow ; I hope I read right that the XMC 1 GEN 3 is as expected the basic XMC1 with hdmi 2.0a hdcp2.2 ports and the object codecs but now with the L/C/R CHANNELS fully balanced input to output as well as new DAC'S . Well deserving of a new generation moniker Ide say Any chance this is the stereo dac used in the RMC1 vvv; its got DSD capability and is quite new ? Interesting it has different filter options like some UK dacs have www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/a/akm-semi/ak4495-32-bit-stereo-dac |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 26, 2016 12:47:46 GMT -5
Hi kids, Lets keep it simple.. ...The upcoming XMC-2 G3 will have 7.2.4 capability wth all outputs balanced.... Peace out, Big Dan I thought the overhead channels were using unbalanced zone outputs? Sounds like we've been given some new information. |
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Post by panchakshari on Nov 26, 2016 12:50:48 GMT -5
Hi Dan..
Thanks for update about XMC-1 with all balanced outputs.. againmy humble request is.. kindly keep in mind about like me Emotiva outside USA fans, who's having in India like countries to update here(in India) through some authorised distributor's.. thanks.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 26, 2016 12:51:43 GMT -5
Wow ; I hope I read right that the XMC 1 GEN 3 is as expected the basic XMC1 with hdmi 2.0a hdcp2.2 ports and the object codecs but now with the L/C/R CHANNELS fully balanced input to output as well as new DAC'S . Well deserving of a new generation moniker Ide say Any chance this is the stereo dac used in the RMC1 vvv; its got DSD capability and is quite new ? Interesting it has different filter options like some UK dacs have www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/a/akm-semi/ak4495-32-bit-stereo-dac I don't read it that way, only that the anticipated 'unbalanced' .4 channels (the overheads), will now be a balanced output. I wouldn't expect any more 'differential' channels other than the existing L/R. I could certainly be wrong, but that's how I'd interpret Dan's statement. Edit: After Dan's post I stand corrected, LCR will be differential on the G3. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 26, 2016 12:59:12 GMT -5
Actually the original XMC-1 is a Gen 2, mostly because of the cosmetics, which match other Gen 2 products. I don't know of any designation for the XMC-1 with the upgraded board (other than w/HDMI 2.0). The full Atmos/HDMI 2.x/HDCP 2.2 has been referred to as the Gen 3, but that hasn't been made official to my knowledge. I agree the XMC-1 is a Gen 2 processor (thus being able to use the 40% off upgrade card), but I've seen many refer to the hdmi upgraded version as a Gen 2 XMC-1. Perhaps I am not completely correct on the generation label, the point I was trying to make is there is nothing being produced as the XMC-2 as the poster asked. There is some ambiguity of terms, you're right that the 40% card works on gen 2 processors, which I believe currently covers anything newer than a UMC-1. Then there are Gen 2 components which go beyond processors, encompassing pre-amps, power amps and DACs as well; this generally refers to the cosmetic changes (black trim), as well as evolutionary circuit upgrades. These Gen 2 products actually have a "G E N 2" designation on the front panel. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Nov 26, 2016 13:10:27 GMT -5
OK, OK...
Let me make this clear...
The XMC-1 will upgrade to 7.2.4, but it will re-purpose some of the RCA outputs to achieve this functionality. We've discussed this before. That's why it remains the G2 XMC-1. We'll continue to enhance and support this platform for the long run. Dirac Live will be implemented on all new outputs. But even with the upgrades, it will always be G2.
The NEW XMC-2 G3 will have ALL balanced outputs. Full Dirac Live will operate at 96K on this model and it will be standard with purchase. Unlike the XMC-1 which has the L & R channels "fully balanced", the XMC-2 will have L,R,& C "fully balanced" This is what we refer to as "Differential Reference". In Differential Reference mode, there is no single ended to balanced conversion. It's FULLY DIFFERENTIAL from input to output. Including volume controls, DAC's, everything!
The RMC-1 G3 wil have Full Dirac Live on all outputs and it will most likely operate at 192k. We're checking MIP's requirements at the moment, but we should be OK. Again, it will be standard with purchase. And all 16 outputs will operate in Differential Reference mode with the finest components available.
OK?
Cheers,
Big Dan
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