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Post by bolle on Nov 26, 2016 13:36:18 GMT -5
Will you be able to upgrade your XMC-1 to a XMC-2 G3 ? Until now it always sounded to me that 96kHz DIRAC might be possible for the XMC-1 with the DSP-update.
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 26, 2016 14:39:46 GMT -5
Hi kids, Lets keep it simple.. XMC-1 even with all of its upgrades is a Gen 2 product. We have no intention of discontinuing it as long as there is demand for it. Not everyone cares about Atmos and DTS-X!! The upcoming XMC-2 G3 will have 7.2.4 capability wth all outputs balanced. There will be other small additions too, but basically it's the same as the XMC-1 with a new main audio board. "Differential Reference" circuitry on the 3 main front channels! Upgraded DACs and DA conversion, etc, etc. The RMC-1 G3 is the flagship AVP. 9.3.4 with all channels fully balanced. This unit has our "Differential Reference" audio path on all 16 channels! It uses the latest AKM 32 bit 768k AD's and DAC's. It's a monster. Everything is no holds barred. This is going to be the one to beat at ANY price. There you go! Peace out, Big Dan Well there ya go. It is using the AKM DAC. And I know I am reading into things but it sounds like it may be on schedule. I sure hope so. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Nov 26, 2016 18:45:40 GMT -5
Thanks for your update Dan. As always, we're on pins and needles waiting to see the new toys. :-)
Just out of curiosity, which AKM DACs are you using? The AK4490EQ? The AK4497EQ? Something else?
Thanks for all the passion and great work! I look forward to upgrading my venerable DMC-1.
Casey
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Post by klinemj on Nov 26, 2016 18:54:46 GMT -5
(sigh...). Yet,still...no toaster. I shall patiently wait...again...
Mark
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Post by Jim on Nov 26, 2016 18:57:07 GMT -5
The RMC-1 G3 wil have Full Dirac Live on all outputs and it will most likely operate at 192k. We're checking MIP's requirements at the moment, but we should be OK. Again, it will be standard with purchase. And all 16 outputs will operate in Differential Reference mode with the finest components available. I need a drool emoji. The RMC-1 is going to be awesome. |
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Post by Jim on Nov 26, 2016 19:02:22 GMT -5
Thanks for your update Dan. As always, we're on pins and needles waiting to see the new toys. :-) Just out of curiosity, which AKM DACs are you using? The AK4490EQ? The AK4497EQ? Something else? Thanks for all the passion and great work! I look forward to upgrading my venerable DMC-1. Casey I'd love to know too. The new AK4497EQ looks like quite a step up. |
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Post by richardrc on Nov 26, 2016 19:30:11 GMT -5
A quick price check on the AK4497EQ reveals a unit price of ~$40 in quantities of 250. So the DACs alone in the XMR will amount to ~$640. If emotiva can deliver for under $5k it would be astounding value!
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Post by Jim on Nov 26, 2016 19:33:57 GMT -5
A quick price check on the AK4497EQ reveals a unit price of ~$40 in quantities of 250. So the DACs alone in the XMR will amount to ~$640. If emotiva can deliver for under $5k it would be astounding value! Any clue what the price is for the AK4490EQ? I was just curious what the price jump was for their "flagship" DAC vs the 4490. Wonder what the most expensive components are in the BOM. |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Nov 26, 2016 20:29:00 GMT -5
Probably the transformer followed by the chassis and cover. The front panel. Or the circuit card assemblies (CCAs) if you want to consider assemblies.
Russ
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Post by audiosyndrome on Nov 26, 2016 20:34:18 GMT -5
A quick price check on the AK4497EQ reveals a unit price of ~$40 in quantities of 250. So the DACs alone in the XMR will amount to ~$640. If emotiva can deliver for under $5k it would be astounding value! Not necessarily what Emotiva would be paying for the DACs, or what Emotiva's CCA fab house might be paying for the parts. Russ |
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Post by hosko on Nov 26, 2016 21:04:49 GMT -5
The XMC-1 will upgrade to 7.2.4, but it will re-purpose some of the RCA outputs to achieve this functionality. We've discussed this before. That's why it remains the G2 XMC-1. We'll continue to enhance and support this platform for the long run. Dirac Live will be implemented on all new outputs. But even with the upgrades, it will always be G2. The NEW XMC-2 G3 will have ALL balanced outputs. Full Dirac Live will operate at 96K on this model and it will be standard with purchase. Unlike the XMC-1 which has the L & R channels "fully balanced", the XMC-2 will have L,R,& C "fully balanced" This is what we refer to as "Differential Reference". In Differential Reference mode, there is no single ended to balanced conversion. It's FULLY DIFFERENTIAL from input to output. Including volume controls, DAC's, everything! Dan you have actually made this more confusing, you guys have previously said that the Gen 2 would be upgrade-able to the gen 3. Are you now saying that the Gen 3 is a new product and the gen 2 will never be upgraded to the gen 3? If so I need to cancel my order for the gen 2. I don't want something that can't be kept current. If there is an XMC2 about to be released I will wait for it. It seems like the first time you have ever mentioned a XMC2 is buried in a thread about the RMC1. This is rather disappointing as it effects people who are in the process of purchasing. Do you have a timeline for the new XMC2? Your website states. XMC-1 Technology Enhancement 2: Dolby Atmos and DTS-X
Replacement processor/decoder board adds support for Dolby Atmos and DTS-X Adds support for Dolby Atmos (up to 7.2.4) and DTS-x Repurposes Mix Outputs and Zone 2 Analog Outputs (Zone 2 will be available via digital outputs) Available as an option on the XMC-1 Gen3 - which will be available early 2017 (XMC-1 Gen3 will be $2,499 without Atmos & DTS-X and $2,999 WITH Atmos & DTS-X) Available as an upgrade to any XMC-1 without Atmos & DTS-X (for $499) Does NOT require HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 Available Q1 - 2017 |
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Post by richardrc on Nov 26, 2016 21:12:04 GMT -5
Hence the "~" but a reasonable ball park figure given the small qty  A quick price check on the AK4497EQ reveals a unit price of ~$40 in quantities of 250. So the DACs alone in the XMR will amount to ~$640. If emotiva can deliver for under $5k it would be astounding value! Not necessarily what Emotiva would be paying for the DACs, or what Emotiva's CCA fab house might be paying for the parts. Russ |
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Post by cwt on Nov 26, 2016 23:10:16 GMT -5
I don't read it that way, only that the anticipated 'unbalanced' .4 channels (the overheads), will now be a balanced output. I wouldn't expect any more 'differential' channels other than the existing L/R. I could certainly be wrong, but that's how I'd interpret Dan's statement. Edit: After Dan's post I stand corrected, LCR will be differential on the G3. Had to read it twice myself ;what threw me a bit was the reference to the xmc1 gen 2 being "for those happy with 7.2" but Dan has straightened things out This now begs the question what will appear 1st ; the RMC1 or the XMC1 Gen3 ? ; whatever comes 1st may be the one to get  |
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 26, 2016 23:17:29 GMT -5
Now will my 40% off card be good on either of these two products?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 26, 2016 23:35:54 GMT -5
Now will my 40% off card be good on either of these two products? Yes |
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Post by cwt on Nov 26, 2016 23:43:24 GMT -5
Dan you have actually made this more confusing, you guys have previously said that the Gen 2 would be upgrade-able to the gen 3. Are you now saying that the Gen 3 is a new product and the gen 2 will never be upgraded to the gen 3? Hosko ; the way I read this is the XMC1 will continue to be enhanced within the limits of its architecture ie using the zone outs for atmos/dts-x and current dacs rather than the upgraded ones with ref differential L/C/R and fully balanced outputs in lieu of the zone outs for the object codecs .. Now if you want higher level 96khz dirac the key words on the XMC2 GEN3 are 'this model '. I interpret this as firming up the possible 96khz snippet that Dan mentioned earlier but best to contact Emo as you likely will |
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 26, 2016 23:46:33 GMT -5
Now will my 40% off card be good on either of these two products? Yes Good deal!! Just making sure. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Nov 27, 2016 1:38:00 GMT -5
The XMC-1 will upgrade to 7.2.4, but it will re-purpose some of the RCA outputs to achieve this functionality. We've discussed this before. That's why it remains the G2 XMC-1. We'll continue to enhance and support this platform for the long run. Dirac Live will be implemented on all new outputs. But even with the upgrades, it will always be G2. The NEW XMC-2 G3 will have ALL balanced outputs. Full Dirac Live will operate at 96K on this model and it will be standard with purchase. Unlike the XMC-1 which has the L & R channels "fully balanced", the XMC-2 will have L,R,& C "fully balanced" This is what we refer to as "Differential Reference". In Differential Reference mode, there is no single ended to balanced conversion. It's FULLY DIFFERENTIAL from input to output. Including volume controls, DAC's, everything! Dan you have actually made this more confusing, you guys have previously said that the Gen 2 would be upgrade-able to the gen 3. Are you now saying that the Gen 3 is a new product and the gen 2 will never be upgraded to the gen 3? If so I need to cancel my order for the gen 2. I don't want something that can't be kept current. If there is an XMC2 about to be released I will wait for it. It seems like the first time you have ever mentioned a XMC2 is buried in a thread about the RMC1. This is rather disappointing as it effects people who are in the process of purchasing. Do you have a timeline for the new XMC2? Your website states. XMC-1 Technology Enhancement 2: Dolby Atmos and DTS-X
Replacement processor/decoder board adds support for Dolby Atmos and DTS-X Adds support for Dolby Atmos (up to 7.2.4) and DTS-x Repurposes Mix Outputs and Zone 2 Analog Outputs (Zone 2 will be available via digital outputs) Available as an option on the XMC-1 Gen3 - which will be available early 2017 (XMC-1 Gen3 will be $2,499 without Atmos & DTS-X and $2,999 WITH Atmos & DTS-X) Available as an upgrade to any XMC-1 without Atmos & DTS-X (for $499) Does NOT require HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 Available Q1 - 2017 |
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 27, 2016 1:53:00 GMT -5
Let's see if I am getting it. There will be all updates to the current platform which will be named xmc1 gen2. Then we will get a brand new platform which is called the xmc2, with the front three channels fully balanced. Then we are getting a RMC1 with all channels balanced with the AKM dacs.
On the xmc2 it must also have an updated chipset to take advantage of Dirac at 24/96.
I have not figured out the gen numbers yet but everything that means something I think I got.
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Post by Dan Laufman on Nov 27, 2016 1:57:50 GMT -5
Dan you have actually made this more confusing, you guys have previously said that the Gen 2 would be upgrade-able to the gen 3. Are you now saying that the Gen 3 is a new product and the gen 2 will never be upgraded to the gen 3? If so I need to cancel my order for the gen 2. I don't want something that can't be kept current. If there is an XMC2 about to be released I will wait for it. It seems like the first time you have ever mentioned a XMC2 is buried in a thread about the RMC1. This is rather disappointing as it effects people who are in the process of purchasing. Do you have a timeline for the new XMC2? Your website states. XMC-1 Technology Enhancement 2: Dolby Atmos and DTS-X
Replacement processor/decoder board adds support for Dolby Atmos and DTS-X Adds support for Dolby Atmos (up to 7.2.4) and DTS-x Repurposes Mix Outputs and Zone 2 Analog Outputs (Zone 2 will be available via digital outputs) Available as an option on the XMC-1 Gen3 - which will be available early 2017 (XMC-1 Gen3 will be $2,499 without Atmos & DTS-X and $2,999 WITH Atmos & DTS-X) Available as an upgrade to any XMC-1 without Atmos & DTS-X (for $499) Does NOT require HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 Available Q1 - 2017 What the heck are you talking about? Why would you be disappointed? Are you disappointed because we have delivered more than we ever planned to? If you purchased a G2 XMC-1, we've kept it up to date, far beyond our original intent... so this says to you we've disappointed you? And we've made a commitment to continue to support it, so we are bad guys? Can't win. We've changed a model designation, that's all. If I called the new XMC-2 G3 an XMC-1 G3, it would be ok?? I guess I'll have to live with disappointing you. This is why I hate to say anything on the forum... I'm held to account for any change of plan, like I owe you money or something. Sorry man, but I haven't done anything to let anyone down, and I have not broken my word. Looks like it's back to radio silence. Bye. |
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