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Post by novisnick on Nov 27, 2016 2:01:30 GMT -5
What the heck are you talking about? Why would you be disappointed? Are you disappointed because we have delivered more than we ever planned to? If you purchased a G2 XMC-1, we've kept it up to date, far beyond our original intent... so this says to you we've disappointed you? And we've made a commitment to continue to support it, so we are bad guys? Can't win. We've changed a model designation, that's all. If I called the new XMC-2 G3 an XMC-1 G3, it would be ok?? I guess I'll have to live with disappointing you. This is why I hate to say anything on the forum... I'm held to account for any change of plan, like I owe you money or something. Sorry man, but I haven't done anything to let anyone down, and I have not broken my word. Looks like it's back to radio silence. Bye.
 Nooo o!!!!!! Please don't listen to the few, some just aren't screwed on tight enough! Pay them no attention! Please don't make us many pay for the few,,,,,,again,,,,and again!!!!
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 27, 2016 2:10:20 GMT -5
This is unbelievable. Oh well Dan thanks for the info you did pass along.
Some of us really appreciate it.
Actually the way I see it is the xmc2 was something none of us new about. And I for 1 am not going to get upset about it. Emotiva was actually still delivering on what they promised,and way more.
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Post by sahmen on Nov 27, 2016 2:30:03 GMT -5
Not to ruffle any more feathers: but there seems to be some genuine confusion here that needs sorting out. In the new upgrade path outlined above, one initially promised stage seems to be unaccounted for, which is the upgrade of the XMC-1 to HDMI 2.0a/HDCP 2.2 stage as described in this post from Keith as the 2nd HDMI Board upgrade : *************** Aug 31, 2016 7:24:47 GMT -4 KeithL said: Full clarification..... The "current" HDMI update board, which will be available as an upgrade in a few weeks, and which will be included in all new units shipping from now on, has one input and one output which support HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. This fulfills all the requirements for 4k, including the copy protection, WHICH MEANS THAT THIS BOARD WILL PASS ALL "STANDARD 4k SOURCES" (it will pass the signal from 4k satellite and cable boxes, and from 4k disc players). This board is at the top of the unit, and requires you to remove and replace quite a few screws, and several cables - but doesn't require any soldering. While we PREFER to do the installation here, we will probably allow people to do it themselves if they really want to. This board will NOT support HDR10 (which is part of HDMI 2.0a), and probably won't work with the 4k version of Dolby Vision HDR. There will be ANOTHER HDMI board upgrade around year end 2016 that will upgrade multiple inputs and outputs (probably all of them) to HDMI 2.0a.
This future board will support HDMI 2.0a (and, of course, HDCP 2.2), and WILL support HDR10 (HDR10 is part of HDMI 2.0a) and Dolby Vision at 4k.
(It may also support HDMI 2.0b - but I'm not prepared to even discuss that yet  .) (my emphasis -- sahmen)
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The 2nd upgrade described in the highlighted portion of Keith's post is what seems missing from the the passage Hosko quoted from the official upgrade page, which only names the Atmos/DTS-X upgrade, but not the 2nd HDMI board upgrade with HDR10 and Dolby Vision support. I would not be surprised if there are XMC-1 owners or buyers who find this 2nd HDMI board/HDR10/Doby Vision upgrade even more interesting and enticing than the Atmos/DTS-X upgrade. For me, this is what seems lost in the jump from XMC-1 Gen 2 to XMC-2-Gen 3. If I can get that 2nd upgrade, in addition to the ATMOS/DTS-X upgrade, it would not matter to me if my XMC-1 is still called a "1 Gen 2," or a "2 Gen 3." I would be happy if the status of that 2nd upgrade is adequately clarified to remove the confusion.
Thanks.
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Post by hosko on Nov 27, 2016 3:04:49 GMT -5
What the heck are you talking about? Why would you be disappointed? Are you disappointed because we have delivered more than we ever planned to? If you purchased a G2 XMC-1, we've kept it up to date, far beyond our original intent... so this says to you we've disappointed you? And we've made a commitment to continue to support it, so we are bad guys? Can't win. We've changed a model designation, that's all. If I called the new XMC-2 G3 an XMC-1 G3, it would be ok?? What I said I was disappointed about was how it was announced. It wasn't 100% clear what the new lineup was going to be. It didn't read as a change in model designation. I apologise if I caused offence. I have been waiting for around 2 months for a shipment of the XMC1's gen 2's to be received by my local distributor. In hindsight it actually turned out to be a good thing because if the Gen 2 can't be upgraded to a Gen 3 I'd prefer to have a Gen 3 anyway. I will simply tell the local distributor to change my order to a pre-order of the Gen 3. Is the XMC2 Gen3 the product that has been slated for early 2017 release? |
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Post by cwt on Nov 27, 2016 6:04:03 GMT -5
This is unbelievable. Oh well Dan thanks for the info you did pass along. Some of us really appreciate it. Actually the way I see it is the xmc2 was something none of us new about. And I for 1 am not going to get upset about it. Emotiva was actually still delivering on what they promised,and way more. Exactly right ; it was amazing the xmc1 gen2 could be upgraded to the 7.2.4 config as it was . For it to be upgraded to l/c/r dual differential and fully balanced on all outputs for atmos and upgraded dacs etc patently required completely new pcb's and that means a new architecture - a new model . If it wasn't modular this just would not be possible.. So its rather unique to have a choice between 2 variants that both have a 7 bed 4 height object output ; one with all balanced . fantabulous  Sahmen ; I have to think you will be safe about the hdmi2.0a upgrade ; its just been mentioned informally a number of times in the meantime as the hdmi2 I port jobby is whats available . It would be illogical to have the mc700 with 3 hdmi2.0 inputs and not the 'step up model' so to speak . In fact I noticed the spec page for the 700 just says hdmi2.0 when it more precisely should be 2.0a as it mentions HDR passthrough |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Nov 27, 2016 7:46:19 GMT -5
Frst off let me apologize for losing my cool. I shouldn't have taken this personally. Again, my apologies.
But there is an underlying truth to my frustration.. damned if you do; damned if you don't! I love to share with the Lounge members, but I hate being tortured for being open and in some cases, having to adjust course because of refinements to our plans.
So to be clear, the XMC-1 will continue to be enhanced. It will get the new HDMI board, and the new Atmos / DTS-X module, etc. So there is absolutely no downside to investing in the XMC-1. It should also be noted that the XMC-2, when it does arrive will cost more than the XMC-1. It's a great deal right now, so I don't see why one would defer happiness for so many months...
It's like refusing to buy the car in front of you that you love because someday they'll be a new model that replaces it. So, do you wait? But then THAT new model will be changing... better wait again. You get the idea, you can defer happiness forever by waiting for the next big thing and you never have the enjoyment of the moment.
But hey, that's just my thinking.
By the way, there is an even bigger reason for not waiting for the XMC-2, but you'll all have to wait for the official announcement next week. Seriously!
Let me just note that all good things come to an end... more to come on this. Now, don't freak out everyone, just get ready to get off the fence if you're sitting on it. Metaphorically speaking...
Peace out,
Big Dan
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 27, 2016 9:00:12 GMT -5
This has got me excited. We need to get at least one of these done before full attention goes to my next processor, the RMC1. Although the XMC2 sounds interesting also.
I wonder what else will differentiate the xmc2 and RMC1? Besides the RMC having fully balanced on all channels. Dirac at 24/192, top dacs and ADCs I am sure. But what else?
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Post by tngiloy on Nov 27, 2016 10:39:24 GMT -5
OK, OK... Let me make this clear... The XMC-1 will upgrade to 7.2.4, but it will re-purpose some of the RCA outputs to achieve this functionality. We've discussed this before. That's why it remains the G2 XMC-1. We'll continue to enhance and support this platform for the long run. Dirac Live will be implemented on all new outputs. But even with the upgrades, it will always be G2. The NEW XMC-2 G3 will have ALL balanced outputs. Full Dirac Live will operate at 96K on this model and it will be standard with purchase. Unlike the XMC-1 which has the L & R channels "fully balanced", the XMC-2 will have L,R,& C "fully balanced" This is what we refer to as "Differential Reference". In Differential Reference mode, there is no single ended to balanced conversion. It's FULLY DIFFERENTIAL from input to output. Including volume controls, DAC's, everything! The RMC-1 G3 wil have Full Dirac Live on all outputs and it will most likely operate at 192k. We're checking MIP's requirements at the moment, but we should be OK. Again, it will be standard with purchase. And all 16 outputs will operate in Differential Reference mode with the finest components available. OK? Cheers, Big Dan Thanks for your answer Big Dan. For me the XMC-2 G3 would be perfect, even though I am (not yet) interested in Atmos. Thank you also for your refreshing open minded approach trying to meet the needs and wants of your customers. Most of your customers, and A/V enthusiasts in general, realize that no one product will meet ALL of their needs. I am really glad you are offering so many different models for different needs. I have some questions though. How does the upgrade plan work ?? In my case, I bought my XMC-1 at $2250 (a 10% discount sale). Would I be allowed to trade in/trade up to the XMC-2 G3 ?? As an Emotiva customer (XMC-1 and GEN3 amp) am I eligible for 25% discount on the XMC-2 G3 ?? I don't remember seeing any discount card in either box. Thanks, Tom |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 27, 2016 11:08:58 GMT -5
I have some questions though. How does the upgrade plan work ?? In my case, I bought my XMC-1 at $2250 (a 10% discount sale). Would I be allowed to trade in/trade up to the XMC-2 G3 ?? As an Emotiva customer (XMC-1 and GEN3 amp) am I eligible for 25% discount on the XMC-2 G3 ?? I don't remember seeing any discount card in either box. Thanks, Tom To get the "card in the box", and the 40% discount that comes with it, you had to buy a first generation Emotiva processor, namely the UMC-1. That program ended several years ago. After that, for some time, they had UFL (upgrade for life), which gives a 25% discount on future processors (like the XMC-1). To get UFL you had to buy a qualifying processor, like the UMC-200 or the XMC-1. The UFL program (or club), stopped accepting new members on May 1st of 2015, so if you purchased after that point there is no formal discount program that I'm aware of, however Emotiva does have regular sales like the current one. Hope that explains some of the discussion from the older buyers. |
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Post by Jim on Nov 27, 2016 11:30:58 GMT -5
I wish it would be possible to take the information from Dan at face value and just say "cool. Thanks for the information we didn't know - about a future product". Or perhaps "great!" Or a simple "that's too bad".
Instead it always turns into something ridiculous. And normally personal.
I love learning about new products even if the news isn't always "it's twice as good and half the price and it'll be out tomorrow!"
I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm just saying - Thanks Dan for sharing what you have.
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Post by tchaik on Nov 27, 2016 12:00:57 GMT -5
Frst off let me apologize for losing my cool. I shouldn't have taken this personally. Again, my apologies. But there is an underlying truth to my frustration.. damned if you do; damned if you don't! I love to share with the Lounge members, but I hate being tortured for being open and in some cases, having to adjust course because of refinements to our plans. So to be clear, the XMC-1 will continue to be enhanced. It will get the new HDMI board, and the new Atmos / DTS-X module, etc. So there is absolutely no downside to investing in the XMC-1. It should also be noted that the XMC-2, when it does arrive will cost more than the XMC-1. It's a great deal right now, so I don't see why one would defer happiness for so many months... It's like refusing to buy the car in front of you that you love because someday they'll be a new model that replaces it. So, do you wait? But then THAT new model will be changing... better wait again. You get the idea, you can defer happiness forever by waiting for the next big thing and you never have the enjoyment of the moment. But hey, that's just my thinking. By the way, there is an even bigger reason for not waiting for the XMC-2, but you'll all have to wait for the official announcement next week. Seriously! Let me just note that all good things come to an end... more to come on this. Now, don't freak out everyone, just get ready to get off the fence if you're sitting on it. Metaphorically speaking... Peace out, Big Dan thanks dan for any and all info you share with the forum members. i have an idea…. any future comment of any type should begin with the disclaimer (SUBJECT TO CHANGE AT ANY MOMENT, NOTHING SAID HERE IS CAST IN STONE). that should keep the complainers at bay since you have promised nothing. personally, i enjoy reading about the evolutionary growth of any product assuming that the earliest conception will differ significantly from the final product. as a composer, i know that my piece will not end up the same as i first conceived because the creation process is always fluid. you guys are creators of audio/video gear and as creative individuals things change constantly. just keep up doing what you are doing and the vast majority of us will be very, very happy. tchaik…………. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Nov 27, 2016 12:10:34 GMT -5
And I also love to hear about new product developments. Honestly, processors are so crazy complex it's always amazing to me that any after production changes can be deployed. You guys are doing miracles in firmware!
Casey
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Post by yves on Nov 27, 2016 13:39:30 GMT -5
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Post by vneal on Nov 27, 2016 19:09:48 GMT -5
I can't buy a XMC1 or XMC2.
Why because there might be a XMC3 in the future
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Post by Dan Laufman on Nov 27, 2016 19:20:54 GMT -5
I can't buy a XMC1 or XMC2. Why because there might be a XMC3 in the future Alright, you've forced my hand.... there is already an XMC-8 in the works! There, I've said it and I'm not sorry I did. Finally I can sleep knowing that the truth is out there!! We're jumping 6 generations in one fell swoop! Take that 🍎!! 👽 |
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Post by Jim on Nov 27, 2016 19:32:34 GMT -5
I can't buy a XMC1 or XMC2. Why because there might be a XMC3 in the future I use that same logic with car buying. Why buy a car with 4 wheels when there will be flying cars some day? |
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Post by indyscammer on Nov 27, 2016 19:51:28 GMT -5
I can't buy a XMC1 or XMC2. Why because there might be a XMC3 in the future Alright, you've forced my hand.... there is already an XPA-8 in the works! There, I've said it and I'm not sorry I did. Finally I can sleep knowing that the truth is out there!! We're jumping 6 generations in one fell swoop! Take that 🍎!! 👽 I'm glad that a few tidbits are once again dropping on the forum. That's what made hanging out here great 5 years ago. Go Emotiva. I just wish I didn't have 2 kids in college and could take advantage. 40% card is getting itchy ! |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Nov 27, 2016 21:31:33 GMT -5
Again, thanks Dan. It's all good and you're frustration is understood.
I look forward to the "frustrating" decision as to whether to go with the XMC Gen3 or the RMC-1. I truly only need the L/C/R using the latest, bestest, whackiest DACs, etc., and I certainly have no current intension of even thinking about Atmos ... but I'm kinda crazy that way, so I'll almost certainly go with the RMC-1 ... :-)
Casey
P.S. Still kind of curious which AKM DACs you're going to use for the RMC-1 if it's not to early to reveal that information. I have a friend who has the Teac NT-503 DAC which uses AKM AK4490EQ DACs and he raves about it. AKM also has their new AK4497EQ of course.
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Post by tchaik on Nov 28, 2016 10:56:40 GMT -5
I can't buy a XMC1 or XMC2. Why because there might be a XMC3 in the future Alright, you've forced my hand.... there is already an XPA-8 in the works! There, I've said it and I'm not sorry I did. Finally I can sleep knowing that the truth is out there!! We're jumping 6 generations in one fell swoop! Take that 🍎!! 👽 ok dan…… here is my dilemma. i will never do atmos and 7.2 is a real stretch for my wife in our living room. the back speakers have to be practically hidden. so…. should i stay with my xmc-1 and just update it or is there any benefit to going with a future xmc-2, xmc-3, xmc-4, xmc-5, xmc-6, xmc-7 or xmc-8 like improved sound, operation, noise floor etc…….  as the song says……. "should i stay or should i go" tchaik…………………. |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 28, 2016 11:23:56 GMT -5
Alright, you've forced my hand.... there is already an XPA-8 in the works! There, I've said it and I'm not sorry I did. Finally I can sleep knowing that the truth is out there!! We're jumping 6 generations in one fell swoop! Take that 🍎!! 👽 ok dan…… here is my dilemma. i will never do atmos and 7.2 is a real stretch for my wife in our living room. the back speakers have to be practically hidden. so…. should i stay with my xmc-1 and just update it or is there any benefit to going with a future xmc-2, xmc-3, xmc-4, xmc-5, xmc-6, xmc-7 or xmc-8 like improved sound, operation, noise floor etc……. as the song says……. "should i stay or should i go" tchaik…………………. But you CAN buy a CMX-2 or a CMX-6 right now!!And they're at a GREAT PRICE!!!!! |
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