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Post by creimes on Nov 28, 2016 11:44:40 GMT -5
ok dan…… here is my dilemma. i will never do atmos and 7.2 is a real stretch for my wife in our living room. the back speakers have to be practically hidden. so…. should i stay with my xmc-1 and just update it or is there any benefit to going with a future xmc-2, xmc-3, xmc-4, xmc-5, xmc-6, xmc-7 or xmc-8 like improved sound, operation, noise floor etc…….  as the song says……. "should i stay or should i go" tchaik…………………. But you CAN buy a CMX-2 or a CMX-6 right now!!And they're at a GREAT PRICE!!!!! XMC-2, CMX-1 holy moly I'm confused, what gen are those power conditioners, I'm assuming Gen1 still with the silver trim Oh and Dan Laufman don't skip Gen's for the XMC, look what happened when Samsung skipped from the Note 5 to the Note 7 the phones catch on fire, one step Gen at a time I say |
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Post by tchaik on Nov 28, 2016 11:57:46 GMT -5
ok dan…… here is my dilemma. i will never do atmos and 7.2 is a real stretch for my wife in our living room. the back speakers have to be practically hidden. so…. should i stay with my xmc-1 and just update it or is there any benefit to going with a future xmc-2, xmc-3, xmc-4, xmc-5, xmc-6, xmc-7 or xmc-8 like improved sound, operation, noise floor etc……. as the song says……. "should i stay or should i go" tchaik…………………. But you CAN buy a CMX-2 or a CMX-6 right now!!And they're at a GREAT PRICE!!!!!  true…. but i have 4 of them already. wait…….. i know where i need one. i am going to order one right now  tchaik……………. |
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Post by richardrc on Nov 28, 2016 14:57:45 GMT -5
I think Dan just announced an 8 channel amplifier  |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 28, 2016 15:22:59 GMT -5
I think Dan just announced an 8 channel amplifier Old news my friend, you just happened to miss it. |
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Post by richardrc on Nov 28, 2016 16:14:08 GMT -5
Did I miss the RMC-1 XPA-8 and XPA-5 combo deal? I think Dan just announced an 8 channel amplifier Old news my friend, you just happened to miss it. |
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Post by Jim on Nov 28, 2016 17:34:34 GMT -5
By the way, there is an even bigger reason for not waiting for the XMC-2, but you'll all have to wait for the official announcement next week. Seriously! Let me just note that all good things come to an end... more to come on this. Now, don't freak out everyone, just get ready to get off the fence if you're sitting on it. Metaphorically speaking... Peace out, Big Dan Any hints as to when this week the big announcement is coming? |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Nov 28, 2016 18:13:22 GMT -5
P.S. Still kind of curious which AKM DACs you're going to use for the RMC-1 if it's not to early to reveal that information. I have a friend who has the Teac NT-503 DAC which uses AKM AK4490EQ DACs and he raves about it. AKM also has their new AK4497EQ of course. And I guess the same question for the newly [mentioned] XMC-1 Gen3 ... :-) And I'm totally happy to hear that it's too early to publicly comment on the DACs you're planning on using. Mostly just curious. Casey |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Nov 28, 2016 22:03:39 GMT -5
I hope the original XMC-1 supports Dirac 96Khz once it gets the DSP updated for Atmos/DTSX.
It will be great to know which AKM will the new XMC use. USB DSD support would be great.
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Post by qdtjni on Nov 29, 2016 9:18:52 GMT -5
I hope the original XMC-1 supports Dirac 96Khz once it gets the DSP updated for Atmos/DTSX. It will be great to know which AKM will the new XMC use. USB DSD support would be great. +1 |
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Post by edrummereasye on Nov 29, 2016 12:20:26 GMT -5
As for the MQA content availability "issue", the entire catalog (yeah, the whole thing) of Warner has already been converted to MQA. By next spring both Universal and Sony are going to follow so hang in there folks because you're going for a ride! Yay! I can't *wait* to buy everything I've ever owned on vinyl, 180g-vinyl, cassette, CD, re-mixed/re-mastered CD/HDCD/SACD/DVD-A/24-96/24-192/double-sided and/or Super-Deluxe Anniversary Collector's Completists Edition Box Set Re-Conceived, Re-recorded, Re-Mixmastered, and Replete with Studio Outtakes and Rarities and all Band Arguments included, yet *again* in yet *another* format...that's gonna be *awesome*!!!    |
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Post by jake on Nov 29, 2016 12:45:42 GMT -5
Boy am I glad that I found this thread, I just read all 22 pages the day that I was about to pull the trigger on the Marantz 7702mk2. fantastic that the company president contributes to the consumer forum. I've been so impressed with my xpa7 and xpa5, a little more waiting and I'll be able to use both for my atmos setup. woo! Thanks for sharing tidbits here and there Dan, nice touch.
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Post by edrummereasye on Nov 29, 2016 13:21:26 GMT -5
Okay, I definitely don't know anything about MQA, or MP3, or any other digital audio encoding format for that part. I'm a Computer Guy and I understand Algorithms in general, and when faced with a problem, I do the research then on the subject area to see what I can offer. And in this case, I'm not even doing that. Instead, I'd like to take a step back from the edge a bit and ask: Why are we even concerned with Lossy Compression Encodings any more? Storage and Bandwidth are more than adequate to cope with even high-resolution, non-lossy formats. So why invest the effort to try to develop a new one? What resource are we saving that's so precious to justify the effort? Again, just curious, not trying to offer judgement. Casey AFAIK MQA is NOT lossy...it encodes some frequencies at lower um...well, "down in the noise", so to speak...but they're extracted and fully re-constructed at their original volume/magnitude/whatever on playback. Kind of ingenious in that regard, but not convinced it inherently sounds "better" than anything else yet... |
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Post by creimes on Nov 29, 2016 14:02:03 GMT -5
As for the MQA content availability "issue", the entire catalog (yeah, the whole thing) of Warner has already been converted to MQA. By next spring both Universal and Sony are going to follow so hang in there folks because you're going for a ride! Yay! I can't *wait* to buy everything I've ever owned on vinyl, 180g-vinyl, cassette, CD, re-mixed/re-mastered CD/HDCD/SACD/DVD-A/24-96/24-192/double-sided and/or Super-Deluxe Anniversary Collector's Completists Edition Box Set Re-Conceived, Re-recorded, Re-Mixmastered, and Replete with Studio Outtakes and Rarities and all Band Arguments included, yet *again* in yet *another* format...that's gonna be *awesome*!!! sounds exactly like trying to keep up with the latest HDMI format, my lord it's gotten ridiculous, I swear there's more version releases than iphone updates |
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Post by yves on Nov 29, 2016 14:56:03 GMT -5
Yay! I can't *wait* to buy everything I've ever owned on vinyl, 180g-vinyl, cassette, CD, re-mixed/re-mastered CD/HDCD/SACD/DVD-A/24-96/24-192/double-sided and/or Super-Deluxe Anniversary Collector's Completists Edition Box Set Re-Conceived, Re-recorded, Re-Mixmastered, and Replete with Studio Outtakes and Rarities and all Band Arguments included, yet *again* in yet *another* format...that's gonna be *awesome*!!! sounds exactly like trying to keep up with the latest HDMI format, my lord it's gotten ridiculous, I swear there's more version releases than iphone updates The late Dr. Stanley Milgram used to let certain people obey to authoroty so much that they would give lethal electroshocks to other, innocent people. Luckily the suggestion that these electroshocks were real turned out not to be accurate, which is something that I believe cannot be said about the deblur process of MQA. |
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Post by bradford on Nov 30, 2016 7:02:50 GMT -5
This is the first DSP based processor I've seen announced that can simultaneously decode 13 Atmos channels. Is there a new DSP chipset being released? Also its is stated to decode 9.3.4, can it also decode 7.3.6?
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Post by Jim on Nov 30, 2016 8:12:37 GMT -5
This is the first DSP based processor I've seen announced that can simultaneously decode 13 Atmos channels. Is there a new DSP chipset being released? Also its is stated to decode 9.3.4, can it also decode 7.3.6? Curious - When you say - "DSP based" - what's the alternative? PC/CPU Based? Is there a non-DSP processor that can do more? I forget how many channels cinema processors can do.. |
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Post by millst on Nov 30, 2016 10:47:44 GMT -5
Yes, check out the Trinnov Altitude32. It's PC-based. They wrote custom decoding software and are not limited by the current DSP technology.
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Post by Jim on Nov 30, 2016 11:02:05 GMT -5
Yes, check out the Trinnov Altitude32. It's PC-based. They wrote custom decoding software and are not limited by the current DSP technology. -tm I've briefly looked it - but I'll go poke around again. Thanks for mentioning it. I always forget that their architecture is so.. different. Hmmm, the Datasat RS20i has 8 (I've also read 9?) Analog Devices 400MHz (SHARC) DSPs and Burr-Brown PCM4104 DACs. Also, Dirac is limited to 12 channels --- •12-Channel Dirac Live® room optimization (16-channel Dirac to be available in future release) |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 30, 2016 11:57:29 GMT -5
The distinction is sort of fuzzy....... A "DSP" generally refers to a processor specifically designed for audio (actually a "digital signal processor" could also be designed for other digital signals, like video, or even sensor data from your LASER tape measure), as compared to "a general purpose processor" (which can be programmed to do all sorts of things), or some other sort of dedicated circuit like an FPGA (which isn't a processor at all). However, these days, there are lots of different kinds of DSPs - from a DSP specifically designed to do Dolby decoding, to something like a Sharc which can be programmed to do whatever you want it to. Some people also take the distinction to be that, because a DSP is a processor that you program, a DSP can be updated by updating its firmware. (this is in fact true for most but not all DSPs; just as some DSPs can be totally reprogrammed, but many offer a fixed set of building blocks, and only allow you to program how the various modules inside interact with each other). The inference is that things that run on a DSP are more likely to be updated (by a firmware update), while "hardware" tends to be more "locked in" And, going even further, something that is "processor based" can be more completely changed by changing the firmware (think a streamer client running on a Raspberry Pi; you can even change the Linux variant it's running if you want). In the end, all that really matters is how well it all works to get the job done..... For example, our XMC-1 has several DSPs in it, including the one that does the Dolby and DTS decoding, but the main system is Linux, running on what seems more like a "general purpose processor" than a dedicated audio processor. (I forget what the manufacturer calls it in their literature.... but it's basically a computer running Linux.) And our power amps, where all the audio circuitry is entirely analog, have a little processor that runs the front panel display and buttons. This is the first DSP based processor I've seen announced that can simultaneously decode 13 Atmos channels. Is there a new DSP chipset being released? Also its is stated to decode 9.3.4, can it also decode 7.3.6? Curious - When you say - "DSP based" - what's the alternative? PC/CPU Based? Is there a non-DSP processor that can do more? I forget how many channels cinema processors can do.. |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 30, 2016 12:13:27 GMT -5
Just a little bit of clarification...... The XMC-1 is PHYSICALLY limited by the number of jacks on the back panel..... (you can't change the CASE and still have it be an XMC-1). We've talked about the upgrade path to Atmos on the XMC-1, and it means repurposing some of the other unbalanced outputs as height outputs. If you add the Atmos upgrade to the XMC-1, it will do 7.2.4 Atmos.... with the height channel outputs being unbalanced. (We may well start calling the unit with all the upgrades, including Atmos, "the XMC-1 Gen3" - but it will NOT be an XMC-2.) The XMC-2 (which Dan mentioned), is an entirely separate product, which we really aren't talking about in detail yet. You CANNOT upgrade an XMC-1 and make it into an XMC-2 (you can get a lot of the same functionality that way - but not all). The XMC-2 will have all balanced outputs, and some other cool features ( which I'm not going to talk about either). The RMC-1, of course, is the new "big dog" - with more channels, all balanced, all reference quality... etc, etc, etc. Will you be able to upgrade your XMC-1 to a XMC-2 G3 ? Until now it always sounded to me that 96kHz DIRAC might be possible for the XMC-1 with the DSP-update. |
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